FP3065 02 housing?

[Mike_96eclipse]

Well I looked around the other threads and found some usefull information but I'm still in a slight dilema. I'm ordering the FP race manifold, FP3065 turbo, and FP 4" aluminum intake. The problem I'm running into is I can't seem to figure out what O2 housing to put with it, as well as what FMIC to try and get ahold of. I emailed FP sales department and was told to use either a 41mm or 44mm tial wastegate.

So the problems I'm running into at the moment are kind of small I think, which is basically:

What O2 housing
What FMIC

If anyone can help me out with that I'd really appreciate it.

 

[Strm Trpr]

Take a look at this thread. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259134
Their FMIC kits are really nice and come complete.
I just helped my friend install a 1g street kit, and it is really a nice piece.

I'm sure you've seen this pic on FP's site.
It's a FP3052.
I plan running a set-up like this eventually with a 2.3 stroker and a FP3065.
I think that's a 3" V-banded recirculating O2 Housing.
It's probably a pretty penny, but everyone can vouch for FP's quality.

 

[daren_p]

What is the big issues about O2 housing? FP makes the vband O2 housing required to run this turbo. You can get it in either a 2.5" or 3" version. It can be flanged to bolt up to a standard stock location downpipe or have a vband clamp on the other end if you have a custom downpipe. Then you can get them with an external dump or recirculated. Also like FP said, you get the WG portion flanged for whatever external you want to run.

As for the FMIC, there are lots of option but there is also a huge range in prices. Being your going to be running a 3065 setup, I would think you'll be looking for a "higher end" model? If so the SBR seems to be a very popular setup. I would recommend the Victory Performance setup I run for a high end model but I believe they are no longer operating. For the ultimate I guess I would look at DV/DVT Fab now.

 

[Mike_96eclipse]

Ok so with the 3065, FP race manifold, 3" FP O2 Housing, 4" intake, ETS Race Intercooler, with 44mm wastegate I should be fine at this point? The only other small things I'm going to have to work out is flange sizes and things.

Also, do you recommend getting the 90 degree elbow to the driver side for the intercooler? I think it would make the install easier, but I don't want to spend money on it if I don't need to. Thanks for the ideas.

 

[95GSXBLUR]

Also, do you recommend getting the 90 degree elbow to the driver side for the intercooler? I think it would make the install easier, but I don't want to spend money on it if I don't need to. Thanks for the ideas.

Depends on which intercooler setup you're going with - the SBR kit runs straight down with a 90* Silicone coupler - so you do not need the 90* elbow welded on which is what I'm using..

If your piping is routed to the passenger side then that's fine... Mine goes to the driver side then back accross (through the intercooler) then short route to the throttle body... which is how most kits are set up.

if that's the case then you do not need a welded elbow.

 

[TrboANTsi]

If im not mistaken i was quoted an insane amount to have FP make the dump recirculate. I would like to think they said over 500. As for setup i have the 52 with teh tial 44. Now i just got it without the 90degree elbow. simply used one of my old factory lower intercooler pipe and just cut it to make that turn. As for IC setup i have the 300 dollar ss autochrome setup. Not sure if i can post it here but theres a seller on TALK who sells them for like 310 shipped still as they are not on ebay no longer. His name is newdsmman or soemthing like that find him in the classifieds.

 

[mygsx2120]

As for IC setup i have the 300 dollar ss autochrome setup

+1 for SSAC fmic!!!
Look on the thread "lets talk ebay fmic, especially if you have one" You will find a dsmtuners member who is selling them for $310 shipped. His name is 2gAWDTalon. I bought mine from him. It arrived in like two days. Install went perfect, as this kit is modeled off an AGP fmic kit I believe, it just costs half the money. It is by far the best bang for you buck. Tons of dsmtuners members are running this kit, so don't worry about the quality.

 

[nightspeed87]

After the 2.3 is built next year this bb Fp set up is exactly what I want to do, manifold, o2housing and all...
But I am still debating on the 3052 vs the 3065... I dont care much for building a drag queen, more into autocross and street, but I do what some good top end power to quench the air hungry stroker and Im looking for pump gas full boost ( 20-24psi) 8k shifts max on that motor. Therefore Im leaning towards the 3065 more for that thought, but I wonder what spooling differences are between the two, and the peak hp difference. Anyone care to answer that?

 

[daren_p]

After the 2.3 is built next year this bb Fp set up is exactly what I want to do, manifold, o2housing and all...
But I am still debating on the 3052 vs the 3065... I dont care much for building a drag queen, more into autocross and street, but I do what some good top end power to quench the air hungry stroker and Im looking for pump gas full boost ( 20-24psi) 8k shifts max on that motor. Therefore Im leaning towards the 3065 more for that thought, but I wonder what spooling differences are between the two, and the peak hp difference. Anyone care to answer that?

Hard to say on spool as so many things effect spool & I don't think there are to many that went straight from a 3052 to a 3065 without any other mods. From all the different spool times I've seen, I'm going to guestimate probably about 500 rpms difference in spool. As for peak hp difference, that depends on how much boost you plan on running. In the 20-24 range, I'm going to say not alot (both use the same turbine wheel & housing). Now if your talking about running enough boost to max them both out, the 3052 is rated at 52 lb/min or 520 crank hp but I have seen people lay down atleast that much awhp. The 3065 is rated at 65 lb/min but I believe the turbine housing posses abit of a restriction to max that compressor wheel out & is probably around the 600 whp mark.

As for the O2 housings, not all the recirculated version are super expensive. The one posted in the pic above would be the "super expensive" version as its the 3" version with Vband clamps at both ends, I believe this one will run you over $600. To the OP, what downpipe are you planning on running & what size? Looks like you'll be running the Tial 44, so do you want it to dump or recirculate?

As for the welded elbow, personally I'd pass on that. Most short route kits have the IC core inlet on the drivers side but I would recommend just using a silicone elbow off the turbo to you IC pipe. This gives you flexability if you ever need to change your setup down the road & if you ever want to sell the turbo it makes your potential buyer list smaller if there's already an elbow welded on, thats not right for them.

 

[nightspeed87]

Hard to say on spool as so many things effect spool & I don't think there are to many that went straight from a 3052 to a 3065 without any other mods. From all the different spool times I've seen, I'm going to guestimate probably about 500 rpms difference in spool. As for peak hp difference, that depends on how much boost you plan on running. In the 20-24 range, I'm going to say not alot (both use the same turbine wheel & housing). Now if your talking about running enough boost to max them both out, the 3052 is rated at 52 lb/min or 520 crank hp but I have seen people lay down atleast that much awhp. The 3065 is rated at 65 lb/min but I believe the turbine housing posses abit of a restriction to max that compressor wheel out & is probably around the 600 whp mark.

So from what your saying if its a pump gas car not running more than 24lbs i need to go with the 3052 and keep the faster spool since the hp difference isnt going to change significantly between the two until I get up into the race gas territory.

I mean I would like to have the extra power potiential there if I ever used meth and or race gas, but since its a street car, and Id prefer autox over drag that spool may be more valuable. Well thanks for the help and all the useful information!

 

[Mike_96eclipse]

Thanks for the help you guys have suggested so far. It's actually pretty overwhelming how much you all know about this subject heh. So I've got a few things figured out, and you guys corrected a couple flaws in my design plans. I came up with another question though after reading up on some of the turbo tech forums...

What exactly is the difference between running recirc, and atmosphere wastegates? I know if you recirc it pumps excess pressure back into the mani/o2 but whats the advantage of going between that or just dumping it to the atmosphere?

On another note, I got ahold of Tom from ETS and will be picking up one of their 2g blem race FMIC's for the project. So that should hold the temps down where they should be. I've pretty much got all my ideas worked out, just fine tweaking everything so I don't have to re-order anything later on down the line for getting the wrong size or wrong part entirely

Thanks for all the help guys, really appreciate it.

 

[daren_p]

I would imagine you know about what a wastegate does but if not (short form) it basically is a bypass from the turbine wheel for the exhaust gas. In that, it opens up to allow some gas to bypass the turbine wheel & slow its speed down inturn keeping boost at your desired setpoint.

Recirculated is just like it sounds, the outlet of the wastegate is recirculated back into the exhaust. This is how the cars came from the factory. The advantages are its quiet & is emissions legal, the downfall is if its plumbed back in right after the turbine wheel it can create turbulances which is never good for flow. As to how much this will actually effect things, I'm not sure if anyone knows.

Atmospheric or external dump is just like it sounds, the wastegate outlet is vented out into the atmoshere. The benefits would be no turbulance created (& more effective to prevent creep if its an issue, but won't be with the turbo your looking at). The down side is their loud when they open (when you get close to what your boost is set up, think open exhaust with no muffler) & they aren't legal for road use.

What style you choose is up to you. I currently run an external dump but don't like it for a DD as its to loud under full boost & the car attracts enough attention without the dump. I went this route as I will eventually be going to a local custom exhaust shop & have them weld a piece in to recirculate the dump tube back into my downpipe just before the lower bend. This does a couple things, it make it legal & quiet again but because its not dumped back into the exhaust right after the turbine wheel like a recirculated O2 housing is, the turbulance will be created much further down the exhaust & shoudn't be an issue.

 

[ali_viento]

FP 3" O2 housing and ETS intercooler best choice .