SBR-G50 Turbo

[Xeiros]

Does anyone have this or know anyone that does? How well does it perform?

I've been trying to firmly nail down my upgrade path before I start moving forward with them, and I'm hung up on the turbo right now. Basically, I'd like to have a very streetable car thats capable of running mid to low 12's but may possibly flirt ever so slightly with upper 11's (ultimate goal).

For supporting mods, I've pretty much decided on the following:

Aeromotive FPR
Walbro 255lph in tank FP
680cc PTE Injectors
DSMlink
TurboXS Boost Controller (please recommend me one if there's a better one for less)
Ebay FMIC
2.5" Exhaust w/ Cutout

The EvoIII generally runs $500+ with the addition of an 2G install kit, which generally runs about $150+ from what I've seen. That put's it very close to this turbo, which is supposed to be a direct bolt on from what SBR advertises. Would there be a better alternative to these two?

 

[DGajre777]

With DSMlink get the biggest injectors you can get, even if they are 950ccs. Get a manual boost controller like Hallman or Joe-P, go to www.boostcontroller.com too see what they have. Instead of a 2.5" exhaust with a cutout, just run a 2.5 to 3" RRE or 3" downpipe without a cat and a catback. You won't see high 11s unless you use cams and race fuel. You also need to decide if you want to run an external wastegate or use the internal wastegate. Turbos I recommend are the FP Green, PTEs 5031RLE (ball bearing 50trim), the BUllseye or PTEs GT3076 or FPs 3052.

 

[Xeiros]

You don't think it would be possible to run mid 12's on an EvoIII or SBR-50 Trim with the mods I've got listed?

Also, why go with the largest set of injectors when running DSMLink? Just to have the extra headroom?

 

[DGajre777]

You don't think it would be possible to run mid 12's on an EvoIII or SBR-50 Trim with the mods I've got listed?

Also, why go with the largest set of injectors when running DSMLink? Just to have the extra headroom?

Mid 12s sure, high 11s without cams or SMIM? No.

Why get the largest set? Because DSMLink can handle it and you'll run low IDCs (injector duty cycles). There is no point in buying 650ccs, then deciding later that you want 850ccs and have to buy injectors twice. If you are buying DSMLink just 750 or 850ccs regardless of what turbo you are going to get, just incase you upgrade later. It your decision, I'm just making a suggestion.

 

[Xeiros]

Don't take offense dude, I was just curious. I'm definetly thinking about doing that now. As for the cams and what not, thats something I'll likely do in the future. As I said, high 11's is an ultimate goal, but it's one I'm going to explore when the car isn't my primary daily driver. That way if I break something, I'm not SOL.

 

[SBR Chris]

I think 11's are completely possible with that turbo! I'm a big fan of our bolt on 50trim. 400+ with very little effort. I don't really know (or care) a whole lot about the Ebay FMIC's, but I can tell you, the rest of your mod's list looks pretty solid.

I usually reccomend people step up injector size when using DSMLink. The cost difference is minimal, and leaves you a lot more room for the future.

Chris Boone
Slowboy Racing Inc.

 

[DGajre777]

Don't take offense dude, I was just curious. I'm definetly thinking about doing that now. As for the cams and what not, thats something I'll likely do in the future. As I said, high 11's is an ultimate goal, but it's one I'm going to explore when the car isn't my primary daily driver. That way if I break something, I'm not SOL.

No offense taken. You should be good with that turbo. If you want fast spool-up look at ball bearing 50 trims.

 

[Xeiros]

I think 11's are completely possible with that turbo! I'm a big fan of our bolt on 50trim. 400+ with very little effort. I don't really know (or care) a whole lot about the Ebay FMIC's, but I can tell you, the rest of your mod's list looks pretty solid.

I usually reccomend people step up injector size when using DSMLink. The cost difference is minimal, and leaves you a lot more room for the future.

Chris Boone
Slowboy Racing Inc.

Sweet, a SBR rep!

Chris, is this an actual bolt up for a 2G, or am I going to have to purchase one of those install kits, like if I were to buy a 16G?

DG, yeah I know man. BB Turbo's are something I'd really like, but they tend to be a bit pricy.

 

[SleeperG]

you'll need an oil feed and return line. you will also need some way to block off your factory water lines because this is a dry cartridge(oil cooled)
you are going to need a larger intake pipe to match the 3" compressor inlet, and if you don't already, you'll want a 2.5" tubular o2 housing.

i've been rocking a g50 for over a year. i beat on it and beat on it, it just takes it. the shaft still feels like factory. that 360 thrust bearing is tuff!

 

[SBR Chris]

Sweet, a SBR rep!

Chris, is this an actual bolt up for a 2G, or am I going to have to purchase one of those install kits, like if I were to buy a 16G?

DG, yeah I know man. BB Turbo's are something I'd really like, but they tend to be a bit pricy.

This is a bolt on. The outlet of the turbo is straight firing, so you would either need a 90Deg silicon, or a 90deg elbow welded on. You'd still need oil lines for it too!

Chris Boone
Slowboy Racing Inc.
[email protected]

 

[eclipseGSTud]

Xeiros, did you end up purchasing the SBR G50? I'm interested in purchasing this turbo as well. I know the post is a little old, but I want to know what his experiences are with that turbo if he bought it. Also, if other G50 owners can give me their feedback on the turbo that would be great! What psi are you guys running, when do you hit full boost, what are your supporting mods, do you recommend this turbo?

 

[Street_Killer]

Im also interested in purchasing this turbo, the price is un beatable. I need some reviews though!!!!! If not this Im going with the scm5031e, but I wont be able to get it externally gated or get a o2 housing or manifold.

 

[Jst4Cyl]

Well I just ordered it a couple days ago (SBR G50) and I am getting a little scared....

I have seen quite a few people give the turbo a and comment on SBR's warranty...

Chris can you give us any feedback on this???

Thanks Rich

 

[SBR Chris]

Well, I'll be honest with you. There is a 1 year warranty against defects in workmanship on the turbo.

So, here's a few things that you can do to protect yourself:

Don't break in your new motor with your new turbo.
Change your Oil regularly.
New Feed/Return lines!

It's a badass turbo, and will make nice numbers, but as with any turbo you buy, there are limitations.

Chris Boone
Slowboy Racing Inc
[email protected]

 

[Ho0ked]

Well, I'll be honest with you. There is a 1 year warranty against defects in workmanship on the turbo.

So, here's a few things that you can do to protect yourself:

Don't break in your new motor with your new turbo.
Change your Oil regularly.
New Feed/Return lines!

It's a badass turbo, and will make nice numbers, but as with any turbo you buy, there are limitations.

Chris Boone
Slowboy Racing Inc
[email protected]

Chris is a good guy and has taken good care of me price wise and tech support wise.
As far as the warrenty, /shrug
Chris, my spool still sucks we need to talk..........

See this thread OP, http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264304
its in turbo tech forum on here. more info on my g50 build 98% SBR parts very happy overall

Yes like some one else said, you will need a 3"intake pipe. And l would dump that pos 2g mas, it is a restriction, and ugly. I made a custom 3" intake with exhaust pipe, npt fitings for my vac lines etc, and a nice cone filter, screw $125+ for a name brand intake pipe. Got my Maf-T done bout a month ago and wish I had done it 1st before anything else made my car run SO much better, sucks tuning though DSMLINK Ftw, but its pricey, and doesn't yet do the blow through

This turbo has emence power mid and top, some recomendations, port your everything, head, exhaust mani, turbo , O2 housing, all you can afford to, every bit helps.

Cams would also help but im out of mod $ atm personaly

This turbo is very suited to Gst's (Front wheel drive) it has much slower spool then T25, so you don't spin out pulling away from a stop in the rain.

You will have to dent the water pipe for it, I also experinced a not so friendly return line from SBR, still not happy with it and plan to replace it later, its a push lock rubber hose, but the fittings angle all the wrong ways it works but the hose in kinked slighty no matter how u turn the fittings.

Over all im pleased, though I still need better spool, but I havent exhausted all my options yet.

In the future I will go with a ball bearing 50trim if I do any more 50trims, just seems better and should spool better.

Good luck


PS. the evo 16g will spool like the T25 and give you shity wheel spin on a Gst, stay away unless you like spinning in place, not even sure an LSD would help much its just to fast/hard.

 

[Burnett03]

I think you will like the turbo. Personally i wouldn't have ordered it from slowboy due to horrible warranty and customer service but i hope everything works out for you. And also SBR CHRIS what do you have against ebay intercoolers? My SSAC 2g fmic is awesome and it is sold on ebay. Why would we pay over 800$ for a kit from you when we can get the same quality, if not better for around 300$?

 

[Jst4Cyl]

Well, I'll be honest with you. There is a 1 year warranty against defects in workmanship on the turbo.

So, here's a few things that you can do to protect yourself:

Don't break in your new motor with your new turbo.
Change your Oil regularly.
New Feed/Return lines!

It's a badass turbo, and will make nice numbers, but as with any turbo you buy, there are limitations.

Chris Boone
Slowboy Racing Inc
[email protected]

So does Turbonetics warranty not apply to this hybrid then???

Because by "No Hassle" I took it that there wouldn't be 21 questions with the

replacement...(Not to sound like a jerk) And I realize that you listed the requirements of any turbo as part of the main cover points and that its far from 21

questions........But I purchased the feed line from you guys and only plan on doing regular routine maintence.... But with guys talking about how they seem to coke

up from to much heat build up and having other problems I just want to make sure that any issues/problems isn't going to turn into that gray margin of the

warranty

 

[Below Ambient]

my buddy has the 60-1 and its a great turbo so long as you have the fuel and maintenence up to par.. its been a year and it has no play.. not sure if they are still a garrett housing though...

the best part is that its had two owners before him so i would imagine its has some amount of durability..

 

[Slowboy]

I think you will like the turbo. Personally i wouldn't have ordered it from slowboy due to horrible warranty and customer service but i hope everything works out for you. And also SBR CHRIS what do you have against ebay intercoolers? My SSAC 2g fmic is awesome and it is sold on ebay. Why would we pay over 800$ for a kit from you when we can get the same quality, if not better for around 300$?

You could have ordered our G50 from about one of a hundred small shops accross the Country, but in the end the turbo would have still come from Indiana Pa.

The law of averages tell you we have twelve times as many customers as unhappy ones, easy way to tell - if you are upset - how many people do you tell? I tell everyone myself when I have a bad experience, and I am not even much of a whiner.

When you have a good experience, you EXPECT it, and think nothing of it. So realize, when you here BS about myself or SB - there are twelve customers who call me back to order - now you can see why we got so big so fast, there is a lot of BS out there!

Ebay vs our FMIC - you have to be kidding.

Kia vs. BMW - any reason for the price difference?

When you have trouble with your Chinese special, tell us how you went about getting it fixed. Oh - and tell us if anyone in North America was employed with your decision to buy chinese intercooler to save a few bucks. Maybe they will send your job to China next eh?

Our IC's cost twice that much to produce, and we sell them at a fair price considering I employee over 20 AMERICAN people.

Mike Huml
SBR Inc.

 

[Slowboy]

So does Turbonetics warranty not apply to this hybrid then???

Because by "No Hassle" I took it that there wouldn't be 21 questions with the

replacement...(Not to sound like a jerk) And I realize that you listed the requirements of any turbo as part of the main cover points and that its far from 21

questions........But I purchased the feed line from you guys and only plan on doing regular routine maintence.... But with guys talking about how they seem to coke

up from to much heat build up and having other problems I just want to make sure that any issues/problems isn't going to turn into that gray margin of the

warranty

We do not use T netics CHRA's anymore.

Mike Huml
SBR Inc.

 

[99gst_racer]

We do not use T netics CHRA's anymore.

Mike Huml
SBR Inc.

Mike,
When did you switch? And what CHRA's did you switch to? (I'm just curious )

 

[yekrahs]

I'm not trying to flame here but just to defend ebay intercoolers me and my buddy bought our intercoolers at the same time. I bought an ssautochrome and he bought the slowboy. He has a frank 4 turbo and I have a pte 50 trim, and I run 4 more psi than him keep in mind... So me 24psi him 19psi same duration on the intercoolers and we discover this in his slowboy

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So to me thats why I'm a fan of ssautochrome. I've ran more boost through mine and daily drive it, he only drives his on the weekends.

 

[vaboys2ndgen]

hm, welds tend to come apart. from experience the XSpower(SSA) ebay intercooler is fine, been ran on near/around 400hp gsx, and my car roughly 250hp (guessed due to no time to dyno but 14b @20psi)

 

[SteveL]

Here is a PM that I sent to someone not to long ago.

I am running this turbo with a internal wastegate on my 90 tsi fwd and I liked it.

I have around 15K miles on it and no signed of shaft play and it don't smoke.

My full boost is kind of slow, 23psi around 4500 in third(note that I have hks 272 but it is still slow making boost).

I think that I have a issue with the wastegate, I can't hold more than 25psi.

I am running 23 psi and around 117-120 trap speed on pump gas.

My best is 11.79@123 and 11.81@125 on race gas.

So, I think that it is a good turbo but I don't have try other one so I can't really compare.

If you have the money, I would go with a FP3052 setup instead.

If I had the money, I would sell this turbo for a bigger one but its all depend on your goal.

Finally, my car is alot faster than when I have the 16g but in that time my knowledge where less, I will not go back.

Steve

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Mid 12s sure, high 11s without cams or SMIM? No.

Why get the largest set? Because DSMLink can handle it and you'll run low IDCs (injector duty cycles). There is no point in buying 650ccs, then deciding later that you want 850ccs and have to buy injectors twice. If you are buying DSMLink just 750 or 850ccs regardless of what turbo you are going to get, just incase you upgrade later. It your decision, I'm just making a suggestion.

I have to disagree with this. I am a friend here that run's high 11's weekly on an EVO III 16g with no cams, SMIM, any internal engine work done and he still has part of his stock UICP and all of his stock LICP with a FMIC and the proper fuel mods. So on an SBR G50 it should be easy to do. You will just need slicks and a great launch. 11's in an AWD car is a lot easier than in FWD.