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Old 12-07-2006, 07:29 PM Show Printable Version Show Printable Version   Email this Post to a Friend Email this Post      #1 (permalink)
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what are the pros and cons of automatic and manual transmissions?


hey im new to these cars and want to learn more before i decide to buy one.

i was wondering what is better for drag racing, an automatic or manual?

which would be faster/quicker with simple mods (intake exhause bov uppipe) ?

what launches better for dragging? which is worse on the car the auto or manual launch?

whats known to break more, the autos or standards ?

thanks im a newb!

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Well I cant say much for the turbo cars but from my experience on a nt, the auto breaks usually atleast once a year lol, I had mune rebuilt twice and the first time then went throught five gear boxes if that tells ya anything. Since I swapped the tranny to a manual I havent had a problem, as for racing Im hardcore that you can race an auto and with proper mods keep up but go with the manual, my opinion, the belts in a auto wont stand the strain from shifting that quick for long, and besides with a manual you can control when you shift instead of a computer, hoping that the computer will shift at the right time and never mess up. My opinion though

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whats known to break more, the autos or standards ?
Thats all how you drive it. That depends on the driver.

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which would be faster/quicker with simple mods (intake exhause bov uppipe) ?
5 speed. Well it depends on the driver too.


I think most people on the board will agree the Auto is the way to go for draggin nowadays.

5 speed would be my way for road racing.

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Thats all how you drive it. That depends on the driver.



5 speed. Well it depends on the driver too.


I think most people on the board will agree the Auto is the way to go for draggin nowadays.

5 speed would be my way for road racing.
I think you mean autoxing..?

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I think you mean autoxing..?
No I meant road racing. But 5 sp is great for parking lot AutoX too.

Road Racing


AutoX


I would never promote Street Racing - its retarded.

Back on topic.......

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Auto would be the way for drag racing, but obviously if your car is built you auto tranny will have to be built as well. Standard will be more fun to drive and give you better control of the car if you were to do something besides go in a straight line. Auto's are good if you want you mom, grandma, gf to drive lol. I'd say manuals are given more respect regardless of what type of racing it is. I don't think auto's are really good for anything besides a straight line. Gl with finding a dsm.
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auto tranny pros and cons


just wondering im putting my auto tranny back in my 1g awd tsi and was wondering what are the up and downs to going with the auto for drag racing???

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Pros:
Brake boosting
Preloads drivetrain (less snapped axles)
Faster shifts
Never misses a shift

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Absorbs some power (10-15% is a common figure)


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Depending on your set up , over heating can be an issue as well.
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Heavier. But I'd stay with the auto for drag.


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Pros:
Brake boosting
Preloads drivetrain (less snapped axles)
Faster shifts
Never misses a shift

Cons:
Absorbs some power (10-15% is a common figure)
Rebuilds are a pain
To add to this list (some of these don't apply to drag racing):

Pros:
-Boost between shifts
-Consistent
-Typically much stronger than M/T counterparts
-Around town driving
-Your mom or wife or grandma can move your car
-As easy to rebuild as M/T

Cons:
-Not as fun to drive at times (slamming through the gears can be rewarding)
-Heavy sumbeaches
-Launching takes more practice and patience
-Not good for Auto-x/Road Course without some sort of shift control


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As long as your not repeatedly launching overheating shouldnt be too much of an issue. Nice coolers are available at reasonable prices too. The auto is a power absorber, but you will gain alot of consistancy. They arent as fragile as the 5 speed trannys either. Its really just personal preferance.
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I'd say go with the 5 speed. Automatic transmissions take a lot of the fun out of drag racing and as far as I've looked more expensive to upgrade then a manual trans.

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To add to this list (some of these don't apply to drag racing):

Pros:
-Boost between shifts
-Consistent
-Typically much stronger than M/T counterparts
-Around town driving
-Your mom or wife or grandma can move your car
-As easy to rebuild as M/T

Cons:
-Not as fun to drive at times (slamming through the gears can be rewarding)
-Heavy sumbeaches
-Launching takes more practice and patience
-Not good for Auto-x/Road Course without some sort of shift control
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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If drag racing is going to be your fix for going fast. An auto trans is the trans for you. All the above mentioned pros will certainly make it worth it's weight in gold..no pun intended. If you plan on making serious awd horse power you'll be much much better off with the AT. For as long as I can remember 7-10 second cars have been using auto transmissions to eliminate the mistakes, inconsistencies, and in our cases is a great way to cut down on drive train demolition.

I am dying to find a cheap 1g awd auto.


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I agree 100% that A/T takes somewhat of the fun out of driving but as long as your still turbo and AWD for that matter then its still quite a bit of fun to drive.

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I would stay auto! I have owned 3 1g DSM's and all the manual versions were always down for repairs. I've gone through 5 transmissions in the manual cars. I now own an auto DSM and love it! If you are wanting to make an auto fun to drive, try using a shift box. You control each shift just like a manual but you don't have to let off the gas meaning you stay in full boost all the way down the track. As for reliability.... I drive the crap out of my car and have only destroyed one auto tranny because a bolt in the strut was the wrong size which let the hub move on a launch and the axle broke punching a huge hole in the case of the tranny. That sucked! All in all, it is your choice on what you want to drive
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I had my car at the track last weekend for the local 1/8th mile street legal drags. I out launched every car there because of the combination of brake-boosting and AWD. Sadly, the T25 (R.I.P.) didn't have any top end and most people caught up. It finally died that day.


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great thanx guys. im also thinking about a trans break but dont know where to get one any ideas?

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great thanx guys. im also thinking about a trans break but dont know where to get one any ideas?
I haven't heard of a trans brake or manual valve body being made for our cars.


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