List of loggers and info for tech article

[kenamond]

I'd like to collect some info for a tech article so that newbs like myself can get the lo-down on what loggers are available for their cars. I'd love to have that resource myself.

So here's what I'm collecting:
- Logger name
- Hyperlink to where you can get it or find more info out
- Whether it works on a 1g, 2g, or both, turbo only, etc.
- Whether it works with a handheld and laptop or just one or the other
- Has PC software (laptop loggers obviously will, but some handhelds may not)
- What interface is needed (many folks can't get loggers to work, because they don't have the correct interface)
- Price (Free or some ballpark $$ amount)

I'll probably edit the tech article over time as I get additional information or am informed of corrections, but a list of loggers with this info should give folks a good reference when they're looking for their first logger.

So far, I know (or think I know):

TunerStein:
- URL: http://students.db.erau.edu/~szabafab/stein
- 1g and 2g
- Palm handhelds (not all, though) and laptop
- PC software: Yes, data analysis
- Interface: 1g - ALDL that you can buy or make, 2g - Multiplex Engineering T16-003
- Price: Free

OBD Gauge:
- URL: http://www.qcontinuum.org/obdgauge/index.htm
- 2g
- Palm and Pocket PC
- PC software: Yes, data analysis
- Interface: Multiplex Engineering T16-003 or T16-006
- Price: Free

Pocketlogger:
- URL: http://pocketlogger.com
- 1g and 2g
- Palm
- PC software: Yes, Java PLViewer
- Interface: Pocketlogger cable
- Price: $125

MMCd:
- URL: http://mmcdlogger.sourceforge.net
- 1g
- Palm
- PC software: ?? Can hotsync logs to PC and supposedly convert to CSV or Excel for analysis
- Interface: ADLD, site has instructions for making your own. Can you buy it? Don't know.
- Price: Free

DSMLink:
- URL: http://www.dsmlink.com
- 1g turbo and 2g turbo - Need EPROM ECU in both cases
- Laptop and Palm - sort of - Hal Landry has a PalmOS port available for registered DSMLink users
- PC software: Whole kit and kaboodle
- Interface: In-house cables for 1g and 2g
- Price: $600 but can be more if you need to buy an EPROM ECU and have it socketted.

That's all I have for now. If there are errors (and you know FOR A FACT what the correction should be), please let me know. I'm especially interested in other loggers not on the list.

I'm thinking that aftermarket ECU loggers don't really belong in this. Each will obviously have a logging capability, but this is geared toward stock ECU loggers.

I also know that there are a lot of specific pros and cons for various loggers, but I'm not yet sure how to include that info in a concise manner in the tech article.


Anyway, I'd like to keep the incomming info related to the tech article in this thread until I think I've got enough.

Thanks!

 

[DGajre777]

DSMLoggers Logger:
http://www.dsmloggers.com/
1g and 2G
Works on handheld Palm only (comes in the kit)
Comes with Tunerstien
$160 for 2Gs, $110 for 1Gs.

 

[kenamond]

DSMLoggers Logger:
http://www.dsmloggers.com/
1g and 2G
Works on handheld Palm only (comes in the kit)
Comes with Tunerstien
$160 for 2Gs, $110 for 1Gs.

Thanks! I just checked, and the 2g kit comes with TunerStein, but the 1g comes with MMCd. This tells me that folks could also buy this and use OBD Gauge on a 2g. Anyone buy this then use OBD Gauge successfully?

 

[shift_racer]

OBDloggers.com Logger:
http://obdloggers.com/index.html
1G,2G,Evo + more
Works on plam (included)
Comes with Palm N Stein and OBD Gauge
1G - 105, 2G - 149, Evo - 149

I've been using OBD Gauge because for some reason I can't get my Palm N Stein logs onto my laptop and it works great for me.

 

[kenamond]

OBDloggers.com Logger:
http://obdloggers.com/index.html
1G,2G,Evo + more
Works on plam (included)
Comes with Palm N Stein and OBD Gauge
1G - 105, 2G - 149, Evo - 149

I've been using OBD Gauge because for some reason I can't get my Palm N Stein logs onto my laptop and it works great for me.

Thanks! Looks like the 1g uses MMCd and an ADLD interface. Any idea what the interface is for the 2g?

 

[shift_racer]

It just looks like a normal serial cable to OBDII converter to me.

 

[kenamond]

It just looks like a normal serial cable to OBDII converter to me.

Like the multiplex engineering interface? Or do you think it's an in-house design?

 

[shift_racer]

Yea it looks like the multiplex one. Like on the OBD Gauge website.

 

[kenamond]

Yea it looks like the multiplex one. Like on the OBD Gauge website.

Alright, thanks again. I'll just list it as a multiplex interface with a "not 100% positive" disclaimer until someone definitively verifies or refutes it.

 

[kenamond]

So as far as logger software, nothing new has been added to my original list (though the package deals are surely worth putting in the tech article).

Anyone know of other 1g/2g DSM logger software besides OBD Gauge, TunerStein, MMCd, Pocketlogger, and DSMLink?

 

[steve]

The original DSM datalogger is/was the TMO logger

TechnoMotive Datalogger:
- URL: http://www.technomotive.com/prod/datalog/datalogger.htm
- 1g
- Windows
- PC software: Yes
- Interface: ALDL active powered included.
- Price: Originally $300 with cable. Rumor has it that Todd Day has said it's ok to share the software since it's no longer sold.

Steve

 

[kenamond]

The original DSM datalogger is/was the TMO logger

TechnoMotive Datalogger:
- URL: http://www.tmo.com/prod/datalog/datalogger.htm
- 1g
- Windows
- PC software: Yes
- Interface: ALDL active powered included.
- Price: Originally $300 with cable. Rumor has it that Todd Day has said it's ok to share the software since it's no longer sold.

Steve

Thanks Steve! Do you have any contact info for Todd Day so that we can get this from the horse's mouth and not get in trouble with copyright infringement (I'd rather not encourage sharing his software based on rumor)? Also, do you have any ideas about how to host a distribution site for his software?

 

[kenamond]

Thanks Steve! Do you have any contact info for Todd Day so that we can get this from the horse's mouth and not get in trouble with copyright infringement (I'd rather not encourage sharing his software based on rumor)? Also, do you have any ideas about how to host a distribution site for his software?

Okay. Duh. I clicked on the link and found out contact info. But it looks like they are still selling the software, so the $300 probably still stands. I'd say the rumor is false based on this. The site does say that they no longer sell chips. Maybe the grapevine distorted this from chip into the logger software, giving birth to that rumor.

 

[steve]

I wasn't the one talking directly to Todd so that's why I classify it as a rumor but I trust the source enough to repeat it. I suggest you try contacting Todd and verify the status.

Steve

 

[kenamond]

I wasn't the one talking directly to Todd so that's why I classify it as a rumor but I trust the source enough to repeat it. I suggest you try contacting Todd and verify the status.

Steve

I'll email [email protected] from my home account tonight with "Attn: Todd Day" in it unless you have better contact info.

 

[Gunter]

Anyone know of other 1g/2g DSM logger software besides OBD Gauge, TunerStein, MMCd, Pocketlogger, and DSMLink?

Scanmaster dataloggers? http://www.dsmparts.com/customer/product.php?productid=602

 

[kenamond]

Scanmaster dataloggers? http://www.dsmparts.com/customer/product.php?productid=602

Thanks!

Any idea what software is needed to log on a laptop or PDA? Does one just plug in a PDA with, say, OBD Gauge installed without using the ADLD or multiplex interface (just the hotsync serial cable) and it will read the data just like that? It's a nice feature to be able to plug in your wideband O2 or other sensors into it and log that as well.

EDIT: I just saw the small print about it coming with SCMd Palm software. Any idea about laptop logging?

 

[steve]

On the 1G Scanmaster the box provides a serial interface using the same ALDL protocol so any 1G logger software can log it.

I don't know how the 2G serial interface works since the various OBD 2 interfaces convert to RS232 using different protocols.

Steve

 

[Gunter]

Thanks!

Any idea what software is needed to log on a laptop or PDA? Does one just plug in a PDA with, say, OBD Gauge installed without using the ADLD or multiplex interface (just the hotsync serial cable) and it will read the data just like that? It's a nice feature to be able to plug in your wideband O2 or other sensors into it and log that as well.

EDIT: I just saw the small print about it coming with SCMd Palm software. Any idea about laptop logging?

I'm receiving the 2G one hopefully tomorrow, so i will prob be able to fill in any blanks in that area

 

[kenamond]

I'm receiving the 2G one hopefully tomorrow, so i will prob be able to fill in any blanks in that area

Awesome! Thanks!

 

[kenamond]

Okay. Reviving this in hopes of some more information.

Anyone know typical sampling rates for each of the tools? Do PC loggers sample faster than PDA loggers? What about the standalone units like Scanmaster? Does anyone know what determines the sampling rate? Is it the cable/interface, the software, or the hardware (PC vs PDA, etc.)?

I'll poke around to see if I can find some data to add myself.

If this doesn't pan out, I'll start putting the tech article together. I was waiting on some info on one of the loggers via email, but nothing happened, so I'll just push forward.

Thanks!

 

[Iceman6908]

Unfortunetly I can be of NO help for research. However I just wanted to say GREAT thinking and this topic in thread or tech article form either way will be very helpful. I'm trying to figure out which will be best to run with my 1g and my palm treo 650. Thanks again,Jake

 

[bluetlr2001]

Ok i bought a obd2 adapter from ebay and the guy gave me a list of software places. Some are for pda and some pc. Some are free and some arent. Im using obdgauge and i like it.


Free software:
http://pages.infinit.net/jsenk/obd_Win.htm
http://www.obd2crazy.com/software.html
http://www.obdtools.co.uk/cd.htm

Non Free software:
http://www.digimoto.com/
http://www.palmerperformance.com/
http://tunertools.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PPE-PCMSCAN-KEY&cat=11
http://www.myscantool.com/download/

 

[kenamond]

Ok i bought a obd2 adapter from ebay and the guy gave me a list of software places. Some are for pda and some pc. Some are free and some arent. Im using obdgauge and i like it.


Free software:
http://pages.infinit.net/jsenk/obd_Win.htm
http://www.obd2crazy.com/software.html
http://www.obdtools.co.uk/cd.htm

Non Free software:
http://www.digimoto.com/
http://www.palmerperformance.com/
http://tunertools.com/proddetail.asp?prod=PPE-PCMSCAN-KEY&cat=11
http://www.myscantool.com/download/

Thanks! I'm still looking at the websites, but the first three "Non Free" applications all use PCMSCAN. Don't know if they are different somehow.

Some of the free ones aren't really ready for prime time yet, but I still have to check them out.

Again, thanks for the new loggers!

 

[kenamond]

This is my personal notes on the surfing journey spawned by bluetlr2001 (Some of the sites listed new logger options not in his list, and there was more info about each of the products he listed on the websites). Unfortunately, I've never seen nor heard of these loggers/tuners on this forum, so they may not work - if anyone has tried any of these on a 2g turbo, I'd really appreciate your feedback!

PCMSCAN:
URL: http://www.palmerperformance.com/pcmscan.php
2g (OBDII only)
PC
PC Software: Yes
Interface: [Autotap AT1, AT2, AT3, AT123 (v2.x)], [VIA LDV100, LDV200, LDV300, LDV123], [Multiplex Engineering T16], [ELM320, ELM322, ELM323 (v2.x)], [ELM327 (all versions)], [Any SAE-J2534 compliant OBD-II interface]
Price: $190 (includes software, license, cable, and interface)

ProScan:
URL: http://www.myscantool.com/details.html
2g (OBDII ONLY)
PC
PC Software: Yes
Interface: Unknown - provided in kit
Price: $150 (includes software, license, cables (OBDII and serial), and interface)

OBD win:
URL: http://pages.infinit.net/jsenk/obd_Win.htm
Not ready for us yet. Last updated 2003, so maybe this project died.

OBD2:
Not sure if this is of much value - can't find any screenshots of time logs, just min/max/avg of sensor data
URL: http://www.obd2crazy.com/software.html
2g (OBDII ONLY)
PC
PC Software: Yes
Interface: Not sure
Price: Free (need to buy interface, though)

ScanTool:
Can't plot sensor data yet.
URL: www.scantool.net
2g (OBDII ONLY)
PC
PC Software: Yes
Interface: Custom
Price: Software is free, interface for 2g DSM is $95


OBDTools:
I emailed them, because their site is not very informative and had many broken links.
URL: http://www.obdtools.co.uk/index.htm
2g (OBDII ONLY)
PC, PocketPC, Windows Mobile
PC Software: Yes - ScanTool, but I think that's just for PC, not PDAs
Interface: Unknown - Comes with package, but has RS232 and USB options.

Okay, I'm too tired to trust anything else I type.