Dsm Link Does Everything?

[9secTalon]

So if i get a dsm link, will i still need a afc or will the dsmlink due everything that a afc woud?, and this would also give no need to buy a pocketlogger cuz it does the same thing, and much much more, correct? does it run off a laptop?

 

[daren_p]

Yes dsmlink will do the same as an safc plus about 100 more functions . & yes it replaces a logger as it does the same plus more again & yes you run it on a laptop I believe you can also get palm software, but a laptop is the best bet. Check out www.dsmlink.com

 

[CanadianTSi]

Actually DSMLink doesn't do the same as an S-AFC. The S-AFC lies to the ECU about airflow where as DSMLink has actual control over the injectors, a better way of doing it.

 

[9secTalon]

ok sweet!!!! but my only question is why is it so cheap?

 

[daren_p]

ok sweet!!!! but my only question is why is it so cheap?

How cheep it is depends on what you have to start with. Dsmlink itself is $565 (can be had for $50 or so cheeper from some vendors). Now ontop of that you need to have an eprom ecu, some 1g's have them some don't, you need to check your ecu numbers to find out, if you do need one your looking at ~$200-$300. Then its $20 or $30 to have the ecu socketed (can be done cheeper if you know someone who does it) then all you need is a laptop. So yes it can be had for around $600 but if you need a laptop and an eprom ecu it can easily add up to $1000 or so. Still defently worth it in my books. If you don't have a palm & by the time you get an safc and pocketlogger your close to $600 anyways, so might as well do it right the first time & not have to upgrade again, that is unless you plan on running 8 seconds 1/4's, I know low 9's have been done so I think it will cover most people but then again maybe 8's are possible with it

 

[9secTalon]

, I dont even have a dsm yet, but I have the money to buy one, but im just not jumping on the first 90-92 dsm i find with 200k on it, im being patient till I find the right platform that has not been TOO abused. Well anyways I plan to first get a car of course, but then not aim big as far as the 1/4 maybe mid 13's, and once im there ill build of that and eventually get into the 11's and ill be satified with that for sure, well first off once I get the car I am going to replace all belts, hoses, etc. etc. Well then I think I will get the dsm link in order to see the changes in my car along the way. And then would be a 2600clutch. I already have the laptop(brand new toshiba sattelite) all I would then need would be the eprom if my car does not have it and then the usb adapter cable in order to plug the link into my laptop. I am very excited to get this car i can not wait, it sounds like it will be a great project car.

By the way my previos cars included a 2003 VeeCub GTi 1.8turbo, was running mid 13s but was unsatisfied with the cost of the car, I could afford the payments easily and such but there was not much money left to put into modding the car. So... I sold it about a month and a half ago.

The other car that I currently have is a 1993 Ford Escort LXE, Car is completely stock on the outside, as far as the engine goes im running a JDM Mazda 323 GTR bpTurbo motor (thank you jason from ### motors 'r'us), stock hp rating was at 210hp, after upgrading the turbo to a full garret, building the bottom end up a lil, having alot of custom parts made such as my custom bent exhaust manifold, and turning the engine a full 90 degrees(to get rid of the problem of breaking axles at every trip to the track) i was dynoed at 397hp @ 24psi on 93 octane with a octane additive so somewhere around 94-95 octane.
Now as far as the car goes on the 1/4 on 104octane and again 24psi I ran a 11.78@132, 60ft suck but its fwd and has no traction, so what ever, this car was built by me, my dad a lil, my friend kevin and his older brother who has a 9sec camaro, and again jason from ### motors 'r' us. I got this car when I think I was around the age of 14 from my sister when she bought a 740il, I started messin around with intakes and all that b.s., then started getting serious about a yr and a half ago, this was my daily driver all the way up untill I hit low 12's and i recently stopped driving it cuz gas sucked. So to make a long story short I sold the GTi, Im looking for a 90-92 tsi awd or gsx, and This weekend im buying a 95 Ford Explorer with 55k miles to use as a tow vehicle for my scort and hopefully eventually to use as a tow vehicle for my next project car the DSM . wow im tired after that post, sorry to everyone that read it.

 

[dave99gst]

, I dont even have a dsm yet, but I have the money to buy one,

u chose an odd nick name for somone that dont own a dsm

 

[pacent]

Some guys hook up both a SAFC and have DSMLink. They dyno tune their car using dsmlink, and then make small adjustments with the SAFC whenever its needed. Its easier to have a SAFC in the glovebox than to have to worry about having a charged laptop in the car all the time.

 

[Grn95GST]

Why in the world would you keep an safc hooked up with a dsmlink installed? That would defeat its whole purpose of getting rid of the safc and logger with the purchase of the dsmlink. What you are saying is someone should keep their logger and safc to make minor adjustments when not wanting to keep a laptop in the car? Maybe it is just me but I dont think anyone, possibly a few people but I dobut it still have an safc with dsmlink installed. just my .02 though...

 

[Steve Hebert]

Going along with that - I have a SAFC and am planning on getting DSM Link (EPROM Socketed ECU already - plenty of laptops..) And am thinking I can sell the SAFC and that will effectively lower my out of pocket cost for the DSM Link.

 

[Syndicate13]

Some guys hook up both a SAFC and have DSMLink. They dyno tune their car using dsmlink, and then make small adjustments with the SAFC whenever its needed. Its easier to have a SAFC in the glovebox than to have to worry about having a charged laptop in the car all the time.

Speak from experience, not from hearsay. DSMlink makes an AFC completely obsolete. DSMlink can also be run on a Palm to eliminate the need for a laptop in the car. Besides if you dyno-tune the car there should be no need to make adjustments afterwards.

 

[9secTalon]

well I understand what you are saying as far as the laptop can be a hassle because it has to be charged and such, but I rather be hassled by this then having to spend a couple hundred on a afc.

 

[TSi_Eagle]

How does DSMLink look and run on a Palm? I'm not talking one of the more modern color palms. I have one of the old school monochrome Pilots. They're much easier to keep around. I could have some extra batteries in the glove box. But depending on how much of a PITA they are to navigate with...I might just use an older laptop.

 

[kyledykstra]

well I understand what you are saying as far as the laptop can be a hassle because it has to be charged and such, but I rather be hassled by this then having to spend a couple hundred on a afc.

And you only need the laptop to make changes, it saves all your changes on the EPROM so you can drive around with all your settings and no laptop within a mile of your car.

 

[Burnett03]

So if i get a dsm link, will i still need a afc or will the dsmlink due everything that a afc woud?, and this would also give no need to buy a pocketlogger cuz it does the same thing, and much much more, correct? does it run off a laptop?

you would think you would know this stuff.. you do have a "9sectalon" dont you?

 

[Syndicate13]

How does DSMLink look and run on a Palm? I'm not talking one of the more modern color palms. I have one of the old school monochrome Pilots. They're much easier to keep around. I could have some extra batteries in the glove box. But depending on how much of a PITA they are to navigate with...I might just use an older laptop.

A color version is highly recommended. I picked up my Palm IIIc on eBay for 40 bucks. The scrolling through a log on the palm is kind of a pain in the ass. I ues my laptop for tuning and keep the Palm in the car in case I want to change my launch limit or check out a CEL, things like that.

 

[noz]

in my opinion, $600 is a lot just for the eprom, socket service and software. Thats only if you already have the right ecu to begin with or else you'll have to pay an additional $100-300 for a 95 ecu.
but man....they ain't got no other competition.

 

[Prez]

Or Spend 350-400 on a Megasquirt System and have full control over your fuel tables. Plus boost control, nitrous control, spark control, launc control... hell the possiblities are endless.

 

[grimyth]

i love the AEM EMS! sorry has nuthing to do with dsmlink but its a GREAT alternative

 

[TSi_Eagle]

A color version is highly recommended. I picked up my Palm IIIc on eBay for 40 bucks. The scrolling through a log on the palm is kind of a pain in the ass. I ues my laptop for tuning and keep the Palm in the car in case I want to change my launch limit or check out a CEL, things like that.

Maka the sense. Thanks for the info. - Regarding the CEL..how exactly does it display? As a number code, I assume?

 

[Syndicate13]

Or Spend 350-400 on a Megasquirt System and have full control over your fuel tables. Plus boost control, nitrous control, spark control, launc control... hell the possiblities are endless.

Great if you want to spend hours just getting the car to run, let alone run well. Systems like the EMS and Megasquirt eliminate the stock ECU and have to be programmed to run period. DSMlink retains the stock ECU for normal conditions and applies fuel changes under WOT, where you need the adjustments. The stock ECU does a fine job or handling daily driving duties as is so why change it?

Maka the sense. Thanks for the info. - Regarding the CEL..how exactly does it display? As a number code, I assume?

It displays a number as well as the actual description under the DTC menu.

 

[TSi_Eagle]

It displays a number as well as the actual description under the DTC menu.

That's rad. Definitely rock this setup.

 

[doug]

I agree with Syndicate13. Also, I use my DSMLink with nothing but my Palm-- I don't even have a laptop yet. There's a bit more scrolling to access all the settings, but it's very convenient just to keep it in the car all the time instead of a laptop.

 

[25psi]

Megasquirt and EMS are good products, but DSMlink is better for 99.5% of DSM'ers. DSMlink will do almost as much and will be about 100x easier to use.

 

[Prez]

Megasquirt and EMS are good products, but DSMlink is better for 99.5% of DSM'ers. DSMlink will do almost as much and will be about 100x easier to use.

Funny. Spend 300 on Megasquirt for parts if that even.

I now have TONS of things DSMLINK can't dream of offering.

Fully customizable fuel maps with custom RPM points and MAP points.
Fully customizable timing maps
Launch Control
Nitrous Control
Alky/Water Injection Control
Shift Light Control
Custom Rev Limiter
Boost Limiter cuts fuel above set boost incase of spike.
Stutter Box
Electronic Boost Control
Fan Control
Accurate air temp and coolant temp readings
PLUS WAY MUCH MORE

Car now idels and runs WAY better than stock ECU could ever dream of.

And for the guy that said it takes for ever to get running... very funny that mine started and ideled with the very first key turn. Just had to fine tune it for the perfect idel. Don't beleive it check the MS thread. I got a video in there for you. Perhaps you should refrain from commenting on subjects you know nothing of.

DSMLINK may be easier for those that have no idea what they are doing. Sure, but it is WAY more expensive than the MS system and doesn't even come close to the features of the MS.