STL area dsm owners

[1990-1999dsm]

i have a 1991 eagle talon tsi awd i want to get some work done to and i was told to go to High Tuned Performance in Arnold, MO
maion thing i wan to know is about how much will it cost to get the engine built to have like 500 hp (at least) and get exhaust and tranny upgraded to handle the power

 

[interex]

I'm going to assume you're pretty new to cars, and tuning. You're going to look at upwards of $5000 or MORE to build your engine, and transmission, fuel, turbo, etc... for 500hp or more... All I can say is good luck

 

[1990-1999dsm]

yeah im new cause i just got my mom's talon so i want that type of work done so i can make some extra money on the side
and wondering what would a 400hp set up cost because right now my budget is like $2000, but still growing a little each month

 

[rs95tuner]

Is the TSI completely stock? or do you have some upgrades already

 

[interex]

i want that type of work done so i can make some extra money on the side

Eh? What do you mean? If the engine is rather stock... it will take you quite a bit to get into the high hp ranges.

I'm looking to dyno at 600+ and I've got $2300 in my head alone, then my Wiseco Pistons, Eagle Rods, and Eagle Crank (you can use stock crank), I've got $1400, and in my turbo I've got about $200.

Then I've got injectors, fuel lines, fuel pressure regulator, fuel rail, and MegaSquirt (engine management), and my intake and exhaust manifolds which I've got about $1500 into.

Then there is the labor at the machine shop for hot tanking my block, boring it to match my Wisecos, then the balance of the rotating assembly... That's around $250 or so.

And I'll probably have another $2500 or so just in my transmission setup (AWD)

Some people get good deals, others don't take the time to look, or contact vendors about specials, or deals. I've been fortunate to find some good deals here and there, buying, selling, etc. It takes time, and it takes money.

 

[Aaron91RS]

yeah im new cause i just got my mom's talon so i want that type of work done so i can make some extra money on the side

OK this has to be a joke.
Sure kid, you can take your moms car, buy a few shiney parts and go out and race people for money and win.

The people here in STL with the 9 and 10 sec cars have thousands upon thousands in them and they know what they are doing.
You obviously know nothing about cars.

But hey best of luck. Let me know when you're ready and how much you want to race for ok.

 

[1990-1999dsm]

the car is completely stock and i know how to do minor things and im goin to get the engine replaced and rebuild the old one thats in it with help of people i no that no how to do that stuff ### i figured out that would be a cheaper way of doing it

 

[interex]

Good luck.

 

[gage333]

OK this has to be a joke.
Sure kid, you can take your moms car, buy a few shiney parts and go out and race people for money and win.

The people here in STL with the 9 and 10 sec cars have thousands upon thousands in them and they know what they are doing.
You obviously know nothing about cars.

But hey best of luck. Let me know when you're ready and how much you want to race for ok.

pretty good way of killing someones dreams buddy, good job... we all have to start somewhere man, but u dont have put someone down just cause their new to the tuning world. and im sorry im taking your response towards this guy personal but its because i ran into a lot of guys like you that dont know how to help noobs...

 

[Aaron91RS]

It's called a reality check.

I have no problem helping newbies, but there's two types of newbies, their's realistic ones that will start out slow and want to learn in reasonable steps building their knowledge and car up and a fesible way and then there's one's that think they will be john force by next week.
Guess what it never happens. They don't stay around the boards or scene.
They get older and move on to the next thing in life that catches their attention and forget all about cars.
Guess what I don't care to waste time on someone who won't even be around in the future.
You on the other hand could have used your post to help the guy but didn't either so you're no better.

 

[gage333]

It's called a reality check.

I have no problem helping newbies, but there's two types of newbies, their's realistic ones that will start out slow and want to learn in reasonable steps building their knowledge and car up and a fesible way and then there's one's that think they will be john force by next week.
Guess what it never happens. They don't stay around the boards or scene.
They get older and move on to the next thing in life that catches their attention and forget all about cars.
Guess what I don't care to waste time on someone who won't even be around in the future.
You on the other hand could have used your post to help the guy but didn't either so you're no better.

yea, your right, lets not risk wasting our time with any newbies and kick em all to the curb. let me ask you something though: how did you get into this scene??? hmm

 

[Aaron91RS]

I worked on my cars myself and read past posts using the search button.

 

[1990-1999dsm]

just ### it seems that im moving fast doesnt mean that im goin to find something else that caught my attention im goin to stick with cars, and im goin to get a rebuilt engine so i can work on my extra one thats in the car now so i can get an experience of how to work on engines with the help of a few friends that know how to so thanks for knockin me done just trying to get some information on this subject so i can learn how much its going to cost me to do all of these things

thank you gage333

 

[Achelea]

Right, I'm not gonna knock your dreams, Just offering advice.

"The Best way to improve Lap Times is to Tighten the Nut behind the wheel."

I figure this would be a bit better version of a "Reality Check" than just griping. Not shooting you down, just letting you know that it takes time. Alot of the cars on here took years to get built to their current high horses.

It's understandable that you want a ton of Horses, but I suggest taking it slow. I also suggest trying to get an idea of what you want to do with the car. Then try to go to where you want to take your car. Drag Strip if you wanna drag, or autocross events, or even road courses. Learn how to handle the car in it's Base form. Driving on the road and driving on a track is different, there are a few things you need to learn about what a car does and how it handles.

Even if you don't plan to race it all the time, it wouldn't hurt to find out what the car does when you start push it's limits, in a safe environment. Nothing worse than testing the car on a mountain road and suddenly being introduced to the car's lovely under steer while facing a cliff face. With more horsepower, you'd just get introduced to the wall or cliff that much faster. By the way, I don't want you to take this as me saying you can't drive, just suggesting practice. Even professional drivers make mistakes when they drive.

Also, you need to think about how do you plan on putting that power to the road. At anything above 400 or so, you will cook or detonate your clutch if you drop it at 3-4K. Since you mention trans, I'd suggest a good clutch, and maybe a rebuilt trans when you can afford it (From TRE a rebuilt race trans is 2000+) Remember you will also need better rubber to grip the road, and wheels (according to if you want to race) that can stand the power, not showy wheels.

There is also guages and eprom to get and idea of what the car is doing.

I can't say how much everything will cost because I just got my car myself ( 1992 Mitsubish Eclipse GSX ) and I'm learning as I go.

In the End, I suggest, Repairs, Maintenance, then upgrades and tuning.

Try to get to tracks and drive the car there. Most of the time you need to be part of a club to get access. Look up Autocross events in your area.

Go from the tires to the engine, and somewhere along the line, get a good set of seats to hold you in.

I'm done rambling now.

Welcome to the community, Have fun, and be safe.

 

[Aaron91RS]

thank you gage333

for what? he did nothing but deride me and then offer zero advice.

First-unless the current engine is blown it's a waste of money to build another engine.
Use the running engine you have and learn on it. No point in blowing up a new engine.

Second $2000 gets you a walboro pump, evo 3 16g, 650 injectors, an eprom if you're lucky and have an eprom ecu already and HTP can do a 3in exhaust all the way back, and LS1 MAF and MAF-T box.
This is assuming you do all the work yourself other then the exhaust.
There now you have ~250awhp.

Beyond that it costs tons of money because each part you upgrade will break another one.
This is my 5th 1G. I don't know what I have in this one. I know when I parted my last one out I got $7000 just for the parts. That's USED prices. New it was probably $14,000 or more in to it.

 

[gage333]

Right, I'm not gonna knock your dreams, Just offering advice.

"The Best way to improve Lap Times is to Tighten the Nut behind the wheel."

I figure this would be a bit better version of a "Reality Check" than just griping. Not shooting you down, just letting you know that it takes time. Alot of the cars on here took years to get built to their current high horses.

It's understandable that you want a ton of Horses, but I suggest taking it slow. I also suggest trying to get an idea of what you want to do with the car. Then try to go to where you want to take your car. Drag Strip if you wanna drag, or autocross events, or even road courses. Learn how to handle the car in it's Base form. Driving on the road and driving on a track is different, there are a few things you need to learn about what a car does and how it handles.

Even if you don't plan to race it all the time, it wouldn't hurt to find out what the car does when you start push it's limits, in a safe environment. Nothing worse than testing the car on a mountain road and suddenly being introduced to the car's lovely under steer while facing a cliff face. With more horsepower, you'd just get introduced to the wall or cliff that much faster. By the way, I don't want you to take this as me saying you can't drive, just suggesting practice. Even professional drivers make mistakes when they drive.

Also, you need to think about how do you plan on putting that power to the road. At anything above 400 or so, you will cook or detonate your clutch if you drop it at 3-4K. Since you mention trans, I'd suggest a good clutch, and maybe a rebuilt trans when you can afford it (From TRE a rebuilt race trans is 2000+) Remember you will also need better rubber to grip the road, and wheels (according to if you want to race) that can stand the power, not showy wheels.

There is also guages and eprom to get and idea of what the car is doing.

I can't say how much everything will cost because I just got my car myself ( 1992 Mitsubish Eclipse GSX ) and I'm learning as I go.

In the End, I suggest, Repairs, Maintenance, then upgrades and tuning.

Try to get to tracks and drive the car there. Most of the time you need to be part of a club to get access. Look up Autocross events in your area.

Go from the tires to the engine, and somewhere along the line, get a good set of seats to hold you in.

I'm done rambling now.

Welcome to the community, Have fun, and be safe.

see!!! this is a reality check not a stomp to the ground... listen to this guy he actually knows how to deal with people.

 

[gage333]

for what? he did nothing but deride me and then offer zero advice.

First-unless the current engine is blown it's a waste of money to build another engine.
Use the running engine you have and learn on it. No point in blowing up a new engine.

Second $2000 gets you a walboro pump, evo 3 16g, 650 injectors, an eprom if you're lucky and have an eprom ecu already and HTP can do a 3in exhaust all the way back, and LS1 MAF and MAF-T box.
This is assuming you do all the work yourself other then the exhaust.
There now you have ~250awhp.

Beyond that it costs tons of money because each part you upgrade will break another one.
This is my 5th 1G. I don't know what I have in this one. I know when I parted my last one out I got $7000 just for the parts. That's USED prices. New it was probably $14,000 or more in to it.

dude, im not trying to insult you or anything. like i told you, i just took it personal cause im new to this scene too, and i wouldnt want somebody telling me that my post is a joke. to my understanding, we have to respect and help each other.

 

[1990-1999dsm]

thanks for the advice Achelea

and as for getting a rebuilt engine to replace the current one is due to the fact the current one misses and i was going to rebuild it with help of others and get it set up to have more power but i will take it slow and i will just test out on how it drives and if your curious i want to drag race with it and/or road race with it

 

[1990-1999dsm]

how difficult is it to change a 2g dsm tranny from automatic to manual

i know the tranny needs to be replaced and some other things

and i was just wondering because i might get a 2g to actually work on first to see if i want to do that to my 1g or leave it stock and just get the engine and tranny fixed

 

[MichaelSuch]

If the current engine missfires then rebuilding it may not fix it. You should start with simple maintenance. Change your plugs, plug wires, timing/balance shaft belts, and anything else that may be faulty with the car before moving on. The only reason you should want to rebuild that motor is if it is smoking, or you are moving on to forged internals.

Is this your DD? If it is you may want to look at getting another car for a DD...

 

[soulweaver]

HTP (high tuned performance) did some cylinder head work for me and I couldn't be happier. I know I ain't answering your price question but I thought I should tell you that they do good work. Matt runs it and he will work with price with ya.

 

[1990-1999dsm]

HTP (high tuned performance) did some cylinder head work for me and I couldn't be happier. I know I ain't answering your price question but I thought I should tell you that they do good work. Matt runs it and he will work with price with ya.

thanks

 

[soulweaver]

thanks

Glad that I can help

 

[95awdboostin]

im new to this forums this is my first post.About the engine build pricing im not sure,but you were right about the high tuned performance shop htp.They are dsm gods there the owner matt knows dsms like the back of his hand.I get all my used parts there for my repairs.If you relly are serious about your car that place is worth the time and money.When you pull up in the parking lot there is always at least 10 to 15 turboo eclipses there.They make some amazing cars there.They had a silver 2g they were just finishing last time I was there with about 500 hp

 

[2gGSX]

Matt's one of the only people in the area I really trust to work on my car.