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Ok so I'm hooking my starter back up and I'm having issues. I see 3 wires, a pos, neg, and small wire. I know the neg goes on the starter mounting bolt. The pos goes on the terminal closest to the firewall and the small wire goes on top. I did this and went to hook up my battery. When I connected the ground to the battery my starter started going. What's wrong here?
well your big + wire is making a connection to the second post on the starter solenoid or to the terminal where the small wire connects, thus causing the starter to engage whenever you connect your battery. If you have the pos wire connected to the post closest to the firewall then that is the correct post, so that leads me to believe it may be making a connection to the smaller wire terminal. Make sure the pos has the rubber cover on it to prevent it from making a connection to the smaller wires terminal, also whenever you torqued down the nut for the pos wire the metal end could have rotated and became too close to the terminal. Taking pictures are nice too, they speak a thousand words.
It might be your + Cable is touching the small connector at the starter, When you tight the + cable at the starter, You have to align the + cable, other wise, the + cable will end up touching and trigger the starter.
That sounds like that's a definite possibility. I took as little stuff out of my engine as possible so I didn't have too much working room and I could have definitely done that. Thanks guys
The starter is held to the flywheel/trans area with 2 bolts. I have it grounded on one of those. That's where it was before.
Also why is one of the copper terminals on the starter not used?
Ok so I checked and I really don't think that the pos is touching the other terminal or the little wire but it still spins when I hook up the battery. Is it a short? And also the starter isn't turning the motor or anything. It;s just kinda spinning on its own
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I don't know how you can hook it up any other way but-
The positive cable should go on the copper stud closest to the firewall. If the two copper studs are touching, the starter motor will spin but not engage the flywheel. Same thing if the cable is hooked to the copper stud closest to engine block, it will spin but not engage flywheel.
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...If you're mistaking the STARTER MOUNTING BOLTS for 'bell housing bolts' then the starter gets grounded via the 'bell housing bolts'.
The large ground terminal ideally is as close to the starter as it can get, for maximum current due to the least resistance.
No, I'm not mistaking the starter bolts for bell housing bolts. In fact my ground is grounded to my top bell housing bolt after the starter. Although I was mistaking the ground. There is no ground on the starter. I understand that ground is used to ground the starter but I'm just saying that's how mine is hooked up and that's how I got the car it seems to work fine, but now that I know it's supposed to be on the starter bolts I will hook it up like that when I put the motor back in. Thanks
OP sounds like your starter solenoid is bad.
One way to test this is to remove the small wire from the starter and put the battery terminal on. If the starter still turns over the solenoid is bad.
get a multimeter and test your connections and make sure everything is properly connected. If the ground is secured to the housing bolt you should be fine. leave the small wire out and try starting the car without since you said it was disconnected before. I would test your solenoid as well just in case it went bad while you were hooking it up to the battery. when you connected it did you have you battery disconnected? if not I would try taking the neg off for a few minutes and see if resetting it fixes the issue.
Just some ideas to try out
Just to clarify, according to the picture below, how do you have it hooked up when it kicks on without the small wire attached?
For it to run without the small wire, you would have to hook the positive cable directly to the M stud (left stud)
The positive battery cable should be hooked to the B stud (right) and negative on the aluminum starter case. It should not be doing anything/moving at this point. Then take another wire and jump it from the positive cable to where the small wire normally hooks to the spade connector. It should then kick out the pinion gear and spin.
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^^just like the pic,if your starter has two terminals for the "start" live wire (one that makes it engage) youll know the wrong one is hooked up when there's something buzzing in the cabin when hooked up
Well, you got me. Hopefully someone will put down a logical theory or nail my ass to the wall for not seeing something obvious.
If the pinion is retracted in it's home, the copper disc within the solenoid should not be shorting the two studs together.
If the positive is not bolted to the M terminal (left stud), +12V should not be reaching the motor coils.
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I'm getting a resistance of 0 ohms from either terminal to the ground so the solenoid has to be bad
Also one of the terminals is loose
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Those are the results you'd get if having this problem so I'm not surprised. However, the loose terminal may have something to do with it. There should be a nut which holds the stud tight. Normally it goes nut, cable, and another nut
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hey my bad jump in the conversation after 3weeks but i have a question. so i have my starter like the picture up top because i know that's how those wires go but other then them 3 wires i have one more wire where would that forth wire go connected to?...my starter mounting bolt?
by that diagram picture looks like it would be the ground wire that would be connected to the firewall but i don't think thats where it goes is there any way i can post a picture of the wire so you can have a better idea of the wire
Oh to upload a picture, first save the picture on your desktop. Now go to a new reply and click on 'go advanced'. Once that loads, click on the little paperclip. Then choose the picture from the desktop and click upload.
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Technically yes, but one of the two large terminals is already connected to the starter when bought brand new. So in otherwords, only two external connections are required for the back of the starter
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OK that's the wire i don't know where it goes hope the pics can help
and so i guess i have my starter connected wrong i put 3 external wires going back there so I'm assuming and by the look of your diagram the wire i put on the left starter terminal is the one that goes connected to my bell housing bolt
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I know the example picture is of a 1G DSM, but the negative battery terminals are the same style
In your case, the cable opposite the arrow runs to the starter mounting bolt. The one hooked to the terminal as of now, obviously runs to the firewall. They are to both be on the same (negative) terminal
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