My job and the company's scam

[ramsack]

So at work they switched insurance carriers and payroll company. We used to just have to swipe an RFID card past a reader and it would pay you, down to the second, the time that you worked. The payroll company now, paychex, is some web-based piece of shit that you have to log in to. The boss enters your schedule and you aren't allowed to clock in more than 10 minutes before your start time and if you clock out after your end time you aren't paid for that either. It will not allow you to get paid more than 8.00 hours, but if you miss even a minute of time you can't make it up. I drive 50 miles to get to work so day-to-day I will be between 5 minutes early or 30 minutes early. My "boss" told me basically #### you, you can't get paid more than 8 hours, you can't come in early, and you can't make up time. So I don't use the system. How legal is this for them to do, to not pay people for their time? For instance there was one day I worked 9:53 AM to 6:03 PM and it clearly says 8.00 hours for that day. I'm getting ready to just get fired and I wonder how this would hold up in unemployment, me not using the time clock because it F's me out of pay.

 

[SlowChild3]

If you don't like the time the boss scheduled you for sounds like you need to find another job. If you work 5 days im sure they don't want you getting OT.

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[GSXSixteenG]

I leave early and stay late a lot at my work. It all works itself out in the end. I could see showing up early and not getting paid, but if your actually working past the time your suppose to clock out, that's different. Depending on your line of work, I would make it a priority to just clock out at the exact time your scheduled. With today's economy, I would just deal with it. Be happy that you have a job.

 

[ramsack]

I come in 5-30 minutes BEFORE my scheduled start time. If I knew what traffic would lie ahead of me each morning for 50 miles I could be here at exactly 10:00 AM, but this is the real world. I've never heard of such a thing where arriving to a job early and getting paid for it is frowned upon, or trying to even make up a lost few minutes over the week is frowned upon. The "boss" is some spoiled brat on salary who respects no one. It never mattered until they changed this stupid pay roll system, and no one had to sign anything about these changes... I like to build up time during the week so I can leave a little early on Friday.

 

[2GbTalonGuy]

Just start looking for another job and stick with it until you find one. It looks bad on a resume being fired. Also IF they give you a warning that they are going to fire you and you continue to do it, and they fire you, wou will not be able to get unemployment.

Also just dont work anymore than 8 hrs a day. Do your best to be right on time and leave right when your shift is over. If they are not paying you to be there, dont be there.

 

[TSi Kid]

Thats pretty Fvcking stupid.

 

[ramsack]

How will I not be able to get unemployment? In PA you go to a hearing in court against the company for unemployment. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer? If I quit I can't get unemployment. If I get here 15 minutes early a day and leave after 8 hours that is 15 minutes a day I'm not getting paid, and there's no way to prove that I actually did work those 8 since the system literally won't let me clock in. I've been looking for jobs here and there and there is nothing. Everybody wants school, they don't care about experience, and they still don't pay shit.

 

[Ludachris]

Why not talk to a lawyer if you're serious about it. Look for a free consult.

 

[VIGILART]

your situation sounds like it sucks, but you have a job. You never want to quite unless you have another job lined up. Just try to hang in there until you find something else. I know it's hard because I myself am going through crap at my company as well. Everyday I want to just walk out, but I'm going to hang in there until winter is over and some new jobs open up. Hopefully there is something bigger and better for us out there. Good luck

 

[Aproductions]

paychex isn't that bad. I mean I worked like 8.3 hours last night and I was scheduled for only 8, but when I ran end of day and looked it up, I did get my 8.3 hours.

 

[ramsack]

You're lucky then. At my job it literally won't let you have anything more than 8.00 hours. I'm already balding and this job isn't helping.

 

[Lavery]

I dont think its worth losing your job over. I don't know how much you make but if your only losing 20 bucks or so a week. Ask for a raise maybe? I don't know where you work but i would suggest go beyond your shop/store manager and asking for a raise.

 

[ramsack]

They don't give raises here. Instead of Christmas bonuses we got a card that said a donation has been made in your name to UNICEF.

 

[mike_tsi]

Well, I dunno if I agree with the situation that you are having. But its not a scam, its just the rules that they put down. Someone could have ruined the clock in system by abusing it by getting WAY more hours than they were suppose to work. This way it is kept track of and no one cheats it. You either show up to work and earn the 8hours or dont come in and get the 8hours. Doesn't matter if you have to drive 50 miles or what, its the real world. Companies are not going to go by your schedule, if you cant meet the times or deal with it they may just let you go and someone else who wants to come in no matter the time system. I'd say deal with it... IMO

 

[housegsx]

I think any job that you have to "punch in" for is dumb. That's all I have to add.

 

[ramsack]

Ya, my contract quoted me in salary, and hours never mattered before this time system, now all of a sudden they are making up crap saying that no I am not salary and I am hourly. Basically before they would see my times and even if they were short or over I would get paid the same, now I am on an hourly wage. Yeah, rules are rules, but I'm not a sheep and I don't take BS from people because of rules being put in place to protect the rich. Some rules are outrageous, like income tax (there is no law stating that you actually have to pay the IRS any money ever, or even report how much you make) yet they threaten you with violence if you don't pay up.

 

[Whiplash]

I had a job like that. I simply didn't work until I started to get paid. I know you would like to get the money since you get there early but it won't happen. Like others have said; look for a better job.

 

[90TSI717]

I also drive 50 miles to get to work and am usually 20-30 minutes early. My extra time does not get counted either. I usually sit at my desk on tuners or wait around till 6 am when work starts. If im behind on my work, I never work an extra second because it isn't paid even if the boss says so. I don't know if your line of work permits you to do this but it seems to work well for me.

 

[Gs Dewd]

If your early I would sit in your car until start time then leave right at quit time. Problem solved. The company can use whatever pay system they chose and don't need it's employees consent to do it. If it makes you that unhappy I would just find another job.

 

[ramsack]

I moderate our company's forum, probably 5 posts a day and there's only been one person that's been trouble so far. My friend that got me hired pisses me off because he tells me I don't do anything so I shouldn't complain. Whatever, I'd rather have a job that kicks my ass for less money. I've ###### gained like 50 pounds since I started in April.

 

[zatomz]

.... Some rules are outrageous, like income tax (there is no law stating that you actually have to pay the IRS any money ever, or even report how much you make) yet they threaten you with violence if you don't pay up.

Text of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America:

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

If you did not have taxes to pay for police, fire dept, military, streets, sewers, buildings for jobs, and so on and so forth, we would not have such a strong structure. However, that does not mean the government should be taking what we own to control our lives in large proportion. We the people own the government, or at least it was intended to be that way.

 

[ramsack]

Trace where your tax money actually goes and then tell me that law is lawful... It also says the Congress, not the IRS. How can Ron Paul and other politicians go around talking about how a federal income tax is unconstitutional but yet be so well respected? Maybe because it was made in 1913 when the Fed and other criminal agencies were also made. It wasn't part of the original Constitution or the vision the forefathers had for this country. It originally came for funding the Civil War, which wasn't about slavery as much as it was getting taxes from the southern states. The North had 3 of their own sea ports, the South had 13 ports IIRC. Slavery could have been stopped by simply buying them and freeing them. That's what every single other country in the world did to get rid of slavery.

That amendment also says NOTHING about having to pay taxes. Try to find THE LAW that says we have to pay a federal income tax. No one has been able to find it. NO ONE.

 

[jwahl16]

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That amendment also says NOTHING about having to pay taxes. Try to find THE LAW that says we have to pay a federal income tax. No one has been able to find it. NO ONE.

Umm, i don't get it. "Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes..."
That also implys that they will be collecting them from someone.... Without taxes, there would be no government. Do you think they collect taxes from themselves? Or other countries? Or should they just print money aimlessly (which they do anyway...)

Please clarify

 

[zatomz]

It is sad that America was the only country to have to go to war to abolish slavery especially since America only received 4% of the slave trade. However most of that war was about states rights. Yes we the people have allowed our government to take control of our lives with so many Americans being strayed as "sheep" would be. If you drop a frog in a boiling pot of water it will jump out, but if you put a frog in regular water and slowly increase the temperature, the frog will boil to death. We are being slowly boiled to death in America and everyone is just taking the lies. I'll end this on that note but I clock in at my job however, if you have an H.R. dept I would suggest getting a policy for clock procedures.

 

[TSimage]

Are you honestly crying because YOU CHOOSE to get their early?

What REAL job isn't like that? You have a set schedule.. If you want to be early, that's on you.. It makes you look like a better employee and there is much to gain from it but you'd be an idiot to actually be working before it was time to start. since when wasn't it good etiquette to be on site actually ready to work BEFORE the clock strikes?

The notion you feel that you should be paid to show up before you are scheduled to without being asked by your employer is asinine and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Bottom line, start when you are suppose to and stop when you are suppose to. If you are early all the time like you say, why would you need to "make up time"?

Tough sh*t, especially in this economy... If I have a set schedule for my workers I don't want some random guy deciding when he wants to clock in and messing up my budget and time table because he comes in when he wants and leaves when he wants and think I'm going to pay for it.

Now if your employer is MAKING/TELLING you to arrive early and leave late then there is a problem, if you're doing it on your own, deal with it on your own. A job doesn't and shouldn't have to cater to an employee for any reasons you mentioned. If it does, then you're lucky.

GTFO of here with this crybaby bullsh*t.

/rant.

The type of people who "don't take sh*t" are normally the type of people who don't whine about it either.. Just sayin' We're doers but realistic at the same time.