Chop Shops Asia , 4G63 Misconceptions

[thilaksharma]

Just to give you guys a few photoshot of the Junkyards in my country in Asia , over here it Halfcut Shop , the diffrence over here is that, all parts are organized , categorized , and the workers know the parts by hard, thus you only need to let them know the part you need and the chassis that you are using. Walah!!! there you go , some cheap parts, not forgetting, you get waranty for the parts u buy.

Some pics below, I am not allowed to enter their 1km square Storage because im not a dealer.

Engines that you could find range from Evo 1 to Evo 9 , Subaru 1-8 , Skyline R34 RB26 , sooo much more, I even saw Acura NSX's being chopped up. , few thousand cars being chopped here n there

The line up of Honda engines, there are few hundred of them

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This is my vr4 engine , i bought it for about USD300 , comes with warranty too.

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Another 1G Vr4 engine lying around

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EVO 1,2,3 Engines are lying everywhere , it comes with warranty as well with a cheap price of $USD400

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The rare 4G61

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This is a 4g67

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From the front skirts and chassis code, this is a EVO II

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Evo 7 diffrentials , gearbox , quite common to be on the floor here n there

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what a pitty , a r32 GTR was chopped

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ops , a rear cut of evo 7 , the front should by lying somewhere here , but ehem , isn't that a rb25 below that

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what do we have here , a evo4 halfcut , a evo8 halfcut , a evoII halfcut , a eterna v6 twin turbo , honda h22a ?

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two evo's top shelf and middle shelf

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evo6 halfcuts , silvia sr20 halfcuts , etc

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a evo3 lying outside the road, its already chopped

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Asia , the land of RB26 , 2JZ , 4G63 , K20 , EJ24 , etc ,
guys, I am not selling anything hehe, just showing you guys what we have over here

The main reason to post this up is to show that we over here do play with the 1st generation 4G63's , so we know more in depth about the VR4's and the EVO's
we have few thousand of engines , halfcuts and cars running on our land. There are
many , i really do mean MANY misconceptions and information about the JDM engines that has been stated on DSMTuners , although I have pin pointed some, but I guess you guys have your own beliefs, common ones are

Red Valve Cover engines, these are not EVO's , these are the Galant VR4 engines , they are similar to the 1G engines in the US , but there are some diffrences, VR4's have a 3 versions , VR4 200, VR4 220 , VR4 240 . The diffrence ? the VR4 200 and 220 comes with 450cc injectors and they have a td05 14b , Intake manifold for 200 and 220 is a Cyclone , VR4 240 is also called VR4RS from the E39A body , it has 510cc injectors , the healthiest vr4 engine to buy is the 4g63 VR4rs auto which comes with the td05 14b. vr4rs manual has td05 16g and a bigger intercooler.

EVO 1,2,3 engines are all not the same, don't get fooled by the valve cover , evo 1 and 2 has the same compression ratio , 8.5:1 , while the evo3 is only one with 9:1 CR.
VR4RS and EVO1 has the same td05 small 16g while the evo2 has the td05 big 16g , gear ratios of all the evo's aren't the same , evo3 has LSD at the rear dif as stock. evo1,2 doesn't have factory LSD's . Mitsubishi also do produce their gearbox with front LSD , but they have different crown wheel , they will not fit the stock driveshafts , they have their own specification for their driveshafts.

At dsmtuners many of you guys are do always say its a EVO3 intake manifold , truth is evo 1,2,3 all has the same intake manifold not only the evo3. as for the Exhaust manifold , vr4's are evo1 has the same manifold as your 1g , evo2 manifold is same as your 2g , evo3 has its own , there are ways to differentiate it , the evo3 will have an extra lump at the 1st runner.

as for Ecu's , all the evo's have different ecu's and mappings , the evo3 has less timing in it due to high compression. Don't get fooled by ecu's such as Mines and Ralliart, they are not worth it compared to the US TunerPro RT Chips. All evo ecu's have EPROM on it. But of course DSMlink isn't compatible with it. From chassis wise , the evo3 chassis code is a CE9A , the vr4's are E33 and E39A , the evo1 are CD9A.

somethings that I have experimented , the EVO 4-9 stock exhaust manifold will fit the 1g,2g 4G63 head , you can use their TD05HR , but the problem is the clearance issue with the alternator if its fitted in a DSM or EVO 1-3. The EVO7 onwards fuel pump is a very good as an upgrade as it pumps up 190lph.

Injector wise, guys, don't argue , we have few thousand cars over here, we cant be lying ,
VR4 200,220 Cyclones have 450cc injectors , VR4RS , Evo 1-5 have yellow 510cc injectors , EVO 6-8 have 560cc injectors , another easy upgrade is the RX7 denso injectors, they are 550cc. There are many people who do think the EVO3 has a 560cc injectors, it doesn't.

as for strokers, 4G64 engines are lying everywhere, there are also 4g64 turbo engines from factory, these do come from the Pajero 4X4. There is also another crank that can be used , which is the crank from a diesel 4D engine , this crank will bolt up a 7bolt 2g without mods , 4D crank has a stroke of 93mm. In my country, some of them fit in stock or forged pistons from the Nissan VG30DET motor . Its piston has a 87mm bore and it gives you the clearance in case you stroked your 63 block.

another engine is the RVR , RVR has a 4g63 with td04HL , i guess td04HL is not that common in US . td04HL is twin fin turbo and the turbine housing is nearly the size of the 14b 6cm housing. The o2 housing of a the td05 14b will fit the td04hl without mods.

Throttle Body wise , the 1G has the 60mm over in the US, its cousin vr4 has only a 54mm Throttle while all the evo's do have 60mm TBs. Alternative TBs which are 60mm are Mitsubishi 6A11T and Mivec 4G92.

Gearboxes codes (copy pasted):
W5M33-2-NGRE Lancer gsr RS (1992, 1800cc) ?
W5M33-2-NNZT Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94 ?
W5M33-2-NPXV 91-94 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 6/90-2/94 ?
W5M33-2-NPZT 95-96 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94-6/96 ?
W5M33-2-NQBE Libero/Lancer Gsr, non lsd version of NRWE No 3.545
W5M33-2-NQBK 1991-92 to 4/92 VR4/ZR4 Galant ?
W5M33-2-NQBM 1992 Galant to 5/92 ?
W5M33-2-NRBE 92-95 Lancer GSR, lightweight synco's 2nd & 3rd No 3.545
W5M33-2-NRWE 92-95 Lancer GSR
W5M33-2-NRXD 1990 Cyborg No 3.545
W5M33-2-UPFE Evo3 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-UPGE Evo3 GSR non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-UPWE Evo3 GSR with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-UPYE Evo3 RS non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-WPFE Evo2 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-WPGE Evo2 GSR non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-WPVF Galant VR4 E84A ?
W5M33-2-WPWE Evo2 GSR with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-WPYE Evo2 RS non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-WQFE Evo1 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-WQFK Galant VR4 evo ? ?
W5M33-2-WQGE Evo1 GSR non LSD No 3.909
W5M33-2-WQNK VR4 Evo, close ratio box ? No 3.909
W5M33-2-WQWE Evo1 GSR (and RS?) with front LSD Yes 3.909
W5M33-2-WQYE Evo1 RS non LSD No 3.909

I do have the individual gear ratios but its too long to list here.
All the EVO gearbox internals can be mixed and matched.
VR4 gb's have the weakest 1st gear (this was even stated in Jack Transmissions)
EVO 1-3 have close ratio gearboxes. Cars that run 2wd over here usually go through a process where we throw away the extra gears & parts in the GB since we want to run 2wd only. So far our best way for drag cars are to use the Final Drive from a Lancer 1800 which is 3.545 unlike the evo's are 3.909. The story is whole lot different if we run it on AWD , we do have different recipes for that too. Lately I opened up my evo III gb, it had something different in it, rather than the normal coupling, mine had one with an engrave which noted "Adelia Magic" , the picture is below, I contacted that Japanese company through email, what they have mentioned is that , the allen bolts can be removed from the coupling, there are two pieces of clutch inside and some adjustments can be made to it , these adjustments will determine the amount of torque i distribute between the rear and front wheels. Once the clutch inside it tends to slip, it will then feed the rear wheels. How true it is ? I am yet to find out.

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I will add more if I have time , cheers , I will let you guys know the difference between the EVO 1, ,2 ,3 camshafts, they are all different

GUYS I am not selling anything, Just Sharing with you guys, i can help you if you want to.

Some pics below of how it looks after we convert a Lancer/Wira into a EVO

Before conversion

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After conversion, everything is plug n play including the doors & interior

EVO II body panels + engine
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6738/132wiraevo2aed4.jpg

EVO III bodypanels + engine (I find the evoIII bodykit ugly )
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8858/83391ru3.jpg

EVO III engine inside the local chassis
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8897/pic14jh6.jpg

 

[360glitch]

Cool post, thanks for taking the time to share all of the info with us.

 

[Side_Show]

thanks for taking the time to post that Info.

 

[the_mork]

At dsmtuners many of you guys are do always say its a EVO3 intake manifold , truth is evo 1,2,3 all has the same intake manifold not only the evo3. as for the Exhaust manifold , vr4's are evo1 has the same manifold as ## 1g , evo2 manifold is same as ## 2g , evo3 has its own , there are ways to diffrentiate it , the evo3 will have an extra lump at the 1st runner.

We're very well aware of this and also quite a bit of the other information but to add to this point a Mitsubishi RVR manifold is also the same internally as the evo1-3 manifolds except for the tb opening which can easily be enlarged from the 52mm opening which corresponds well with a stock 2g tb to a 60mm opening so that it can be used with an evo or 1g tb. For the most part using the term evo3 manifold is just easier than trying to find out where the manifold actually came from and more descriptive once an rvr manifold has been ported.

I'm not sure about the evo7 but the evo8 fuel pump is actually pretty crappy unless you're staying at low boost because it has a pressure relief valve which opens in the higher ranges and ends all of your fun.

The ecus we don't usually care about unless they are socketable.

As for the rest I've never heard about the diesel crank or the turbo 4g64 but pretty much everything else is easily found with a quick search on the forums. It is good that you've taken the time to post this as you did highlight quite a few newbie misconceptions.

 

[ryanman]

Wow, that's some pretty good info, Cool pics also...

 

[turbotalon1g]

Thanks for that info. Good post.

 

[crimsondragon]

I'm moving to where you live. I wonder how much it takes to ship my car over there.

 

[thilaksharma]

I wonder what the shipping would be? Do you maybe have a web site?

I am not really sure, I can check it up for you , but im actually not doing business, im just one of you guys

We're very well aware of this and also quite a bit of the other information but to add to this point a Mitsubishi RVR manifold is also the same internally as the evo1-3 manifolds except for the tb opening which can easily be enlarged from the 52mm opening which corresponds well with a stock 2g tb to a 60mm opening so that it can be used with an evo or 1g tb. For the most part using the term evo3 manifold is just easier than trying to find out where the manifold actually came from and more descriptive once an rvr manifold has been ported.

I'm not sure about the evo7 but the evo8 fuel pump is actually pretty crappy unless you're staying at low boost because it has a pressure relief valve which opens in the higher ranges and ends all of your fun.

The ecus we don't usually care about unless they are socketable.

As for the rest I've never heard about the diesel crank or the turbo 4g64 but pretty much everything else is easily found with a quick search on the forums. It is good that you've taken the time to post this as you did highlight quite a few newbie misconceptions.

I will check on the RVR, not many use them for their cars , but as for the TB , the 1g over in US has the 60mm TB , over here the VR4 which supposed to be the 1g cousin has a 54mm TB , all the evo's have a 60mm , but we do have alternatives that go for a price of USD 70 , its the 6A11T mitsubishi TB which is also 60mm and the Mivec 4G92.

All evo ecu's are socketable unlike the vr4's.

I'm moving to where you live. I wonder how much it takes to ship my car over there.

hehehehhe , your car will be one of the few left hand drive cars over here. But one thing for sure, your car will not be stolen , my country aint that big , we can locate your eclipse by just using the radio

 

[Lofty]

hehehehhe , ## car will be one of the few left hand drive cars over here. But one thing for sure, ## car will not be stolen , my country aint that big , we can locate your eclipse by just using the radio

Wow that's amazing.
My talons gonna go over there!

 

[thilaksharma]

Wow that's amazing.
My talons gonna go over there!

hehe our population is only 28million , i located only one Talon over here

 

[xsboost]

This info's great. I had a EVOII motor in my 96 GST and a guy around here that really didn't like me was telling everyone that I'm a liar and there's no way I have a JDM 4g63 because they never made 4g63s outside the US and that the 4g63 is a Chrysler motor and the 420a and 4g64 are Mitsubishi. The bad part is this guy was a Mitsubishi technician at a local dealer. I just had to show everyone the fuse box that was in japanese. I also had people tell me that My engine wasn't from an EVOII because the intake manifold wasn't a cyclone intake manifold. Great post! I think everyone should read it.

 

[Lofty]

Question though.
I may sound really dumb, but.
Why do you cut the cars in half?
Why not take them apart and part them out?

 

[fwdmaster]

WOW, there junkyards look like heaven

 

[xsboost]

I was going on a road trip to Colorado a little over a year ago and not very far from where I live (close enough that I'd be willing to drive again) I saw a junk yard from the road that looked like the one in this thread (obviously not with those cars). It had nothing but imports Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi . . . it had big racks with car front ends on them. There was a huge section with nothing but 1g and 2g DSMs. It was like heaven. A month or so after the trip I went back and it was all gone. Nothing was left but the racks that the cars were on. Not even so much as a lug nut. It was like hell.

 

[thilaksharma]

Question though.
I may sound really dumb, but.
Why do you cut the cars in half?
Why not take them apart and part them out?

I live in a country called Malaysia which is in South East asia ,
Japan produce these cars , you can bring in the full car to other countries in Asia
but the catch is you need to pay Import Duties , Tax and etc , our car import taxes are about 200% , a evo thats priced at USD5k will be around USD15k after taxes and there are more duties and etc to be added

the story is diffrent once its chopped, the chopped car will be brought into other countries as JUNK , the main reason why Japanese sell theirs as junk is because they are not allowed to use cars Above 10years old in their main cities, for an example, my country doesnt have much evo's but we do have Lancers , converting a Lancer to a EVO (including body panels , doors , engine , intercooler , exhaust system , wirings & etc) is pretty cheap further more its lying everywhere at the junkyards.

just like in the US , u all plonk v8's into ## old schools , importing an american v8 engine isnt cheap for us, our choices go to Toyota 1UZ v8 , 2UZ v8 , RB26 , 2JZ , u be really suprised to visit my neigbour country "Thailand" , they even have river drag races , their speedboats ? hehehe turbocharged 1JZ's are their favourite.

Not to mention , HKS has a factory plant in Thailand, which makes our HKS products over here much much cheaper, HKS 272 Cams ? , they go for about $500 , but its weird im going for an FP2 hahahaha

 

[Lofty]

Wow neat!
You uh.. Wanna send me a hachi roku?

 

[4G63_Attack]

If i ever move to your neck of the wood, Remind me to keep my car away from YOU!!!!! j/k great info just learn a little bit more about Mitsubishi engines

 

[thilaksharma]

I was going on a road trip to Colorado a little over a year ago and not very far from where I live (close enough that I'd be willing to drive again) I saw a junk yard from the road that looked like the one in this thread (obviously not with those cars). It had nothing but imports Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi . . . it had big racks with car front ends on them. There was a huge section with nothing but 1g and 2g DSMs. It was like heaven. A month or so after the trip I went back and it was all gone. Nothing was left but the racks that the cars were on. Not even so much as a lug nut. It was like hell.

yeaps, that has started happening over here too , some of our dealers are smarts enough to catch the US market , i guess there is where our engines are all going to. Prices are all going up , dam you dsm guys hehehe just kidding , vr4's and evo's are getting lesser by the day , demand is still high , prices are rising, a whole evo halfcut can be bought for about $1800USD , and it comes with 1 week warranty

 

[Lofty]

How would you even put it back together? Weld it?



Serioulsy though, send me an AE86 Trueno
Levin will work too.

 

[thilaksharma]

Wow neat!
You uh.. Wanna send me a hachi roku?

this is one car that you would not get it for a cheap price, dam those asian anime fans that idolized Initial D. The Ae86 is quite pricey over here , its about USD8-9k because of its demand in the drift scene , not a single AE86 is left stock , every single one is modded and some even with the Supercharged + Turbocharged Kit by HKS , our country best drifter did make it to Irwindale D1 GP with the hachi roku , he was named "Tandem Assasin" by ## judges over there in 2007 ,

 

[Lofty]

Wow. The AE86's are cheaper over here then. Most of them are old people who don't know what drifting is

 

[thilaksharma]

How would you even put it back together? Weld it?



Serioulsy though, send me an AE86 Trueno
Levin will work too.

nah we do not weld it, our country do have Lancers, where all the evo bodyparts and engines are Plug n Play . Levins are much cheaper though hehehe
but we do have 4A-GE and 4A-GZE engines in those junkyards

 

[Lofty]

No I mean, when you get a halfcut sent out to someone, do they just weld everything back together? How would they rebuild say, a skyline?

 

[the_mork]

You could weld it together though, my brother had a pulsar that used to be two cars and my uncle had a Jeep that used to be three. It really isn't a big deal if you do the work right.

The pulsar still had holes in the dash where they had to pull the teeth out individually with needle nose pliers because the girl in the passenger seat when it was rear-ended in its first life wasn't wearing her seatbelt, you never forgot to buckle up in that car.

 

[slipstream808]

I see all these motors and I think to myself "Wonder how long before they are all gone?"

No one's making new DSM blocks anymore. But thanks for posting this thread!