2G Koni yellows?

[whiteice2x]

Yo my struts just recently blew on my car. Right now i have H&R race springs and is about a 2.25 drop on my 95"GSX. Im thinkin im either gonna get koni yellows or KYB Agx's. Which is better and would like some advice or ne reviews on them, thanks. Ryan

 

[jtmcinder]

There is no comparison: the Konis by a mile. Search for details.

- Jtoby

 

[Jon Lane]

Listen to the man; Koni's are superior. AGX's and 2G's don't mix well: bad ride, questionable product that breaks easily, no warranty with coil-overs.

 

[whiteice2x]

Defy, yeah ,my bros rockin em, and i decided to order konis asap, i love the ride, stiff! thanxs buddies, lata

 

[Strm Trpr]

I'm in the market to upgrade my suspension, and I was thinking, Koni Sports (Yellows), GC Coilovers with Eibach Race Spring combo.
What I'd like to know is if there are any upper pillowball mounts that I could use with this set-up?
RRE sells some upper mounts, but they are for the 1gs.
Also, should I replace any OEM parts that interface with the springs and shocks?

Thanks in advance guys....

 

[DG-FNR]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181556

DG

 

[Strm Trpr]

For those that already have Konis, we also sell a "Ground Control Upper Mount Upgrade Kit" that contains all the parts needed to convert to our spherical-bearing, coaxial-hat upper mounts.

The website's lack of info is a sore point for me, but I'll be fixing that as soon as I can get the time.

DG

That sure is a sweet set-up, my goals are for a daily driver and some weekend roadracing.

Above is a quote from you in that link you posted above.
So, can I purchase the Ground Control/Eibach ERS coilover combo and then purchase the Koni Sports.
Then in the future could I then do the "Ground Control Upper Mount Upgrade Kit that contains all the parts needed to convert to our spherical-bearing, coaxial-hat upper mounts."

Thanks for your help DG, I'll have to think about that set-up...

 

[jtmcinder]

RRE sells some upper mounts, but they are for the 1gs.

RRE also sells pillowballs for 2Gs. $190 a pair when I got them.

- Jtoby

 

[DG-FNR]

That setup is our daily-driver, occasional racer package.

Yes, it's more expensive than some stuff you'll see elsewhere, but that money is going into quality.

For example, we use the expensive, higher-strength, closer-tolerance "motorsports" spherical bearing instead of the cheaper "commercial" bearing - because we want the highest possible strength, the longest service life, the most corrosion resistance, and the best fit we can get. But that adds $40 per hat to get the better bearing.

We don't just anodize the mount, we *hard* anodize it. It'll turn a file. That makes it harder to scratch up, and keeps it looking nicer, longer.

All the hardware is stainless steel, where possible, and nickel plated when not. Again, for corrosion resistance and looks. It's not going to rot away on you the first time it gets wet.

And we're the only people making mounts that come with coaxial upper spring hats, which have been demonstrated to be *absolutely necessary* (especially in front) on coilover applications like this, in order to obtain predictable handling.

Yeah, I'm really proud of this kit. A LOT of work and science went into it, and I think that this is the best off-the-shelf DSM suspension ever made. Hey, you get *dyno plots* of *your shocks* when you buy this kit - where else can you get that?

The only way to make it better would be to replace the Koni with a better shock - and that is possible, if you want it badly enough. It would come with the same hats though.

DG

 

[Strm Trpr]

For those that already have Konis, we also sell a "Ground Control Upper Mount Upgrade Kit" that contains all the parts needed to convert to our spherical-bearing, coaxial-hat upper mounts.

Alright, I've settled on buying the Koni Sports with the Ground Control/Eibach ERS kit....
I would like to know how much this "Ground Control Upper Mount Upgrade Kit" would cost.

Thanks in advance DG

 

[jtmcinder]

Do not buy GC upper plates. Evil evil evil. Get the pillowball plates from RRE, instead.

Why? The GC plates use these nasty, rock-hard bushings which will bent the shock shaft. Also, if you ever decide to go coaxial, the GC plate must be discarded while you can add hats to the RRE plates.

Yes, the GC plates provide a bit more travel, but what does travel matter when the shock is destroyed?

- Jtoby

 

[Strm Trpr]

Thanks for the input.
So, I'd need to buy sleeves and spring perches?
I've only seen the GC kit with the ERS springs.
So, I'd discard the GC upper plates in favor of the RRE pillowball plates.
I can't find the pillowball mounts on RRE's site.
I've emailed them twice with no response.
Also, where can I buy the coaxial hats that your spoke of?
I'd like to get all of this stuff ordered for the 4 day weekend I'm about to have at the end of the month....
Oh, and BTW, I only plan on dropping the car down about 1.5" max if that, perhpas less.

Thanks in advance....

 

[DG-FNR]

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[jtmcinder]

You *do* know we make a complete 2G DSM coilover kit with all the proper goodies, right?

Given the SPAM, how could anyone help but know?

What doesn't get mentioned as often is how you can reproduce a very similar set-up for about half the cost if you are willing to spend two hours on the 'net and phone.

- Jtoby

 

[Strm Trpr]

You *do* know we make a complete 2G DSM coilover kit with all the proper goodies, right?

- better springs (Hypercoils)
- lighter spings (2.25" ID instead of 2.5" ID)
- helper springs (to help keep everything seated)
- Torrington bearings under the springs (to eliminate spring stiction and meake ride height easier to adjust
- dyno plots for *your* shocks
- shocks matched on the dyno (as much as can be done) AND matched to the springs
- plus the upper mounts we already discussed.

Easy, one-stop shopping, and everything FITS.

DG

http://www.atimotorsports.com

Yes I do know, and I can't stomach the price tag....
I do want to know how much your "Ground Control Upper Mount Upgrade Kit that contains all the parts needed to convert to your spherical-bearing, coaxial-hat upper mounts."

I'll buy those if the price is right...

 

[jtmcinder]

Set of Konis: $500
GC sleeves & perches: $200
Hypercoils: $250
RRE pillowballs: $400
Misc bits: $150 (springhats, bearings, etc)

Complete set-up: $1500 or $375/corner
The warm glow of doing it yourself: priceless

- Jtoby

 

[Strm Trpr]

See ^^^, now that's a much more realistic amount of money to spend.

Don't get me wrong DG, I would love to work in a shop like where you work.
In fact I've got a couple of degrees in design, and I so appreciate all of the research,
testing and science that you and your crew have implemented into the design.
The upper mounts are far more superior than most other coilover systems out there for $1500.
The coaxial hats are a given, that just makes way too much sense.
Upon looking closer at the system that I almost bought,
I now see how the coaxial hats are a much better design vs. the spring seating on the
bottom of the pillowball mount that is supposed to tilt and mount to a surface that isn't normal to the axis of the shock.

The matching of the shocks to one another is rockin, and then matching the shocks to the spring is another bonus.
But, what about ride height adjustment, or do you just order a specific length spring for say a 1.7"F - 1.5"R drop.
That makes sense instead of tweaking your spring preload...

I would hope that I could put together a set-up much like what jtmcinder mentioned and be totally blown away by the performance upgrade over stock.

jtmcinder, thanks for the shopping list, may the search begin...

Peace

 

[DG-FNR]

Except that it's Just Not That Simple. Believe me, if I could do them cheaper, I sure would.

It's easy to handwave away the details when you haven't looked at what it takes up close.

Pricing is PMed.

DG

 

[Ludachris]

You *do* know we make a complete 2G DSM coilover kit with all the proper goodies, right?

- better springs (Hypercoils)
- lighter spings (2.25" ID instead of 2.5" ID)
- helper springs (to help keep everything seated)
- Torrington bearings under the springs (to eliminate spring stiction and meake ride height easier to adjust
- dyno plots for *your* shocks
- shocks matched on the dyno (as much as can be done) AND matched to the springs
- plus the upper mounts we already discussed.

Easy, one-stop shopping, and everything FITS.

DG

http://www.atimotorsports.com

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[jtmcinder]

It's easy to handwave away the details when you haven't looked at what it takes up close.

How much closer than in my hand are you asking for? And you know I'm not the only one to have done this given the exchange on the autocross list in which you participated.

Stop it with the BS.

- Jtoby

 

[DG-FNR]

*sigh*

A couple of months ago, you were arguing very strenuously against the need for coaxial spring hats. You were convinced they were unecessary, and took every opportunity to say so.

Then you were convinced that the spherical bearing was incapable of sustaining the load imposed upon it by a coaxial hat.

And yet now, despite never actually having installed one on a car, you are now the expert in their construction.

Once again the pattern repeats. Something new comes along, and you take every opportunity to tear it down that you can. Then, once you realize that the item in question is completely sound and you are alone in your opposition to it, you suddenly become the expert on it, and *your* way is the only way it can be done - even though, typically, you've never used the product in question, where the people who designed it have often been using it for years, and doing so very successfully.

Don't you ever get tired of hating?

DG

 

[jtmcinder]

Grab an Intro Psych textbook and look up "projection." Until then, can we either stay on topic or can you ask me why I am doing something instead of assuming that you know? Thanks.

- Jtoby

 

[LONEWOLF01]

i would like to know where you can get konis for $500 please pm me the details. i need shocks for my 1g dsm