My JIC FLT-A2 setup from RRE came in

[cait sith]

And here are the resulting photographs. They have yet to be installed, but I figured just the images would be decent enough, in case you didn't think the RRE pictures were enough. These are pictures of the coilovers AS SENT to me.

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Front setup

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Front bearing plate close up (the rear is pretty much exactly the same)

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Single front FLT-A2.

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Rear pair of coilovers still jammed in the box.

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Stickers/dampening adjuster/coilover height adjuster.

Installation/alignment will occur this weekend, and I'll post pictures of the installation/results in ride height change etc later...

 

[PaulPDX]

Looks nice. They ever tell you what exactly they do with the coilovers? other than changing spring rates.

 

[cait sith]

spring preload adjustment, shock body height/ride height adjustment, adjustment for corner weighting, is what I've gathered.

 

[jtmcinder]

Um, John M. may be g*d, but he's not, you know, like, G*D. He'd actually have to have the car at the shop to corner weight it.

- Jtoby

 

[cait sith]

Um, John M. may be g*d, but he's not, you know, like, G*D. He'd actually have to have the car at the shop to corner weight it.

- Jtoby

It's CLOSE to corner weighted considering my car is basically stock weight. It's a better base setup than say, what JIC gives out of box.

 

[PaulPDX]

Hmm... no helper springs. Is it available as an option?

 

[cait sith]

Hmm... no helper springs. Is it available as an option?

Not to my knowledge.

 

[jtmcinder]

It's CLOSE to corner weighted considering my car is basically stock weight. It's a better base setup than say, what JIC gives out of box.

So the shocks are labelled for specific sides and they are actually set differently?

If so, then that's interesting.

- Jtoby

 

[cait sith]

So the shocks are labelled for specific sides and they are actually set differently?

If so, then that's interesting.

- Jtoby

Note on my photos you can see an R and an L on the front pair.

 

[RHui_BC]

oooo, how much did those set u back?

 

[PaulPDX]

So the shocks are labelled for specific sides and they are actually set differently?

If so, then that's interesting.

- Jtoby

Different height for the approx. corner weight.

 

[UCSLugRacerX]

I'm more jelous of these than a monsterous 25G, or some other huge turbo. Let us know how it turns out! (Or atleast I really want to know.)
Are you going to be doing some autoX? Any SCCA?
Nonetheless, beautiful dampeners you've got there Cait sith. When tuned, turning will be like sex.

 

[PaulPDX]

I'm more jelous of these than a monsterous 25G, or some other huge turbo. Let us know how it turns out! (Or atleast I really want to know.)
Are you going to be doing some autoX? Any SCCA?
Nonetheless, beautiful dampeners you've got there Cait sith. When tuned, turning will be like sex.

They'll turn out just fine. For $2000 they better.

 

[2-0turbo]

I'm curious--what spring rates does RRE include with that kit? I'm thinking they're softer than my DSS setup. Oh, and to be able to crank up the rebound without touching the bump...droooll! Someday, I'll have a truly adjustable suspension.

 

[PaulPDX]

I'm curious--what spring rates does RRE include with that kit?

They'd kill you if they told you. Seriously though, if they gave that info out people would be buying the coilovers elsewhere instead of paying $2000.

Softer than the DSS? I kind of doubt that, unless you have the DSS drag setup.

Oh, and to be able to crank up the rebound without touching the bump...droooll! Someday, I'll have a truly adjustable suspension.

If you want to get technical, it's not a true adjustable damper. A true adjustable damper is one that has a remote resevoir. Dampers like the JIC, Tein, Koni Sport, KYB AGX, etc. are really just bleeder valves allowing shock oil to bypass the main valve which is fixed.

 

[2-0turbo]

They'd kill you if they told you. Seriously though, if they gave that info out people would be buying the coilovers elsewhere instead of paying $2000.

Softer than the DSS? I kind of doubt that, unless you have the DSS drag setup.



If you want to get technical, it's not a true adjustable damper. A true adjustable damper is one that has a remote resevoir. Dampers like the JIC, Tein, Koni Sport, KYB AGX, etc. are really just bleeder valves allowing shock oil to bypass the main valve which is fixed.

Its okay, I've given them plenty of money--they won't kill me. DSS makes a great setup, but you are limited somewhat with damper choices.

Okay, if we're getting technical. My AGX is an "adjustable" damper. It just doesn't have all of the adjustment I want. Koni's sports are 2-way adjustable, but only the rebound can be EXTERNALLY adjusted. To change the bump damping, you have to take the damper apart and change out some shim packs. The JIC's are adjustable, but only 2-way. You can independently adjust bump and rebound damping. This independence on the two is what is great! When you crank and AGX shock from 1 to 4, it simultaneously increases bump and rebound damping. This is what gives the springy, bouncy, rice boy ride.

The remote reservoir trick shocks are, usually, 3-way adjustable. That third option gives you low speed bump damping with a needle valve on the reservoir. High speed bump is handled internally within the shock (orfices, like you said, and shim packs)

With 400 lb front springs and my front AGX set on 2, I NEED more rebound damping to control all that spring energy that gets stored when my wheel travels all the way up. But, when I crank it from 2 to 4, I get an UNWANTED increase in bump damping due to the design of the damper. I could buy Koni sports and tell Koni what my driving interest is and they would hook me up. But, if I ever wanted to change bump damping, I'd have to take them off and send them back to Koni (unless I had the tools to disassemble them.)

 

[PaulPDX]

Well... there's the upcoming HotBits coilovers for 1Gs. You can see the prototype of the rally version at motorsport-dist.com. The 3 way adjustable version will be like $4000. The street/track non-adjustable will be about $1200. You can also specify your valving preference.

 

[igs]

They'd kill you if they told you. Seriously though, if they gave that info out people would be buying the coilovers elsewhere instead of paying $2000.

:laugh:

 

[ACM]

Not to be picky but...
Remote reservoirs have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with adjustability; they may make engineering the adjustment hardware easier, but inofthemselves, remote reservoirs have nothing to do with adjustability specifically, with the possible exception of 3+way adjustability - by that I mean I have never seen a 3+ way adjustable damper that didn't have a remote reservoir, but that's probably simply convenience.

Remote reservoirs are all about increasing oil capacity to stabilise viscosity by increasing fluid volume and thus heat sink mass.

Multiple adjustability is defined as having external adjustability of the damping circuits/velocities in question. If the damper has to be dismantled to change its characteristics, it is not classified as adjustable, it is revalvable. Typical Bilsteins would be a perfect example of non-adjustable but fully revalvable dampers. AGXs and Koni Sports are single adjustable - they have one adjuster, and what ever it may adjust, however many circuits or velocities that adjuster affects, they are affected simultaneously, hence single-adjustable. A double-adjustable damper will have 2 individual adjusters with little crosstalk.

The third circuit in a triple adjustable damper is normally High Speed Compression. Some dampers, notably Penske 86-series, have double adjustables where one is Low Speed Rebound and the other is High Speed Compression - every other damper I'm aware of adds Low Speed Compression as the 2nd adjustment. Triples (with the afore-mentioned exception) normally add HSC adjustabiity. There are also 4, 5 and 6 way adjustable dampers, but other than High Speed Rebound, I don't know exactly what the other circuits adjust - if you want to know more then start reading at www.Ohlins.com

Be aware that when using Koni Sports, the last turn of adjustment affects compression damping significantly. Thus spring rates over 300 rear and 500 front are extremely inadvisable, and that means sticking with close to stock ride heights if improved handling (vs just looks) is desired.


Charles

Its okay, I've given them plenty of money--they won't kill me. DSS makes a great setup, but you are limited somewhat with damper choices.

Okay, if we're getting technical. My AGX is an "adjustable" damper. It just doesn't have all of the adjustment I want. Koni's sports are 2-way adjustable, but only the rebound can be EXTERNALLY adjusted. To change the bump damping, you have to take the damper apart and change out some shim packs. The JIC's are adjustable, but only 2-way. You can independently adjust bump and rebound damping. This independence on the two is what is great! When you crank and AGX shock from 1 to 4, it simultaneously increases bump and rebound damping. This is what gives the springy, bouncy, rice boy ride.

The remote reservoir trick shocks are, usually, 3-way adjustable. That third option gives you low speed bump damping with a needle valve on the reservoir. High speed bump is handled internally within the shock (orfices, like you said, and shim packs)

With 400 lb front springs and my front AGX set on 2, I NEED more rebound damping to control all that spring energy that gets stored when my wheel travels all the way up. But, when I crank it from 2 to 4, I get an UNWANTED increase in bump damping due to the design of the damper. I could buy Koni sports and tell Koni what my driving interest is and they would hook me up. But, if I ever wanted to change bump damping, I'd have to take them off and send them back to Koni (unless I had the tools to disassemble them.)

 

[cait sith]

Here's some pictures of the JIC's installation process. I didn't resize/rotate, so just bear with it.

http://www.syntheticpawn.com/misc/jic_pictures/

 

[jim97gst]

Did you have fun getting off the sway bar end links? Mine was way less rusty than yours when I did my suspension, and they were a bi***!

 

[cait sith]

Did you have fun getting off the sway bar end links? Mine was way less rusty than yours when I did my suspension, and they were a bi***!

I found I didn't need to take them off at all. I just tugged the suspension clamp down enough and slipped the JIC's right in.

 

[Rx3]

I found I didn't need to take them off at all. I just tugged the suspension clamp down enough and slipped the JIC's right in.

I was thinking the same thing. I'm hoping for a big tax return next year so I can get a set of these Keep the updates coming.

 

[3literpwr]

Umm pre corner weighted setups??? Did they put XXXlbs in driver seat to simulate you?
Every time I corner weighted my rally car or my old road race car a quarter turn made a big differance in the cross weights......

Ad far as the Secret spring rates go just measure the wire diameter and count the coils and goto one of the many roundy round websites with a spring rate calculator......

Larry "shock tuner, designer and builder"
#622 SCCA rally

 

[tylerwal]

Pretty Rusty


but nice setup and car