Anyone here try and drift their FWD NT's

[Budget Tuner]

Everyone I speak to says that it really hard annd close to imposible.
So I was like Fu_k it and I pulled into my school doing 25 mph and I hit the e brake and bam I did a 180 like nothin. Man it feels good.

I tried to keep it going but it always starightened out

 

[r3dline]

That's not drifting, though. That's just...doing a 180. There's a difference.

Drifting is basically controlled sliding. And in order to "drift" you need to stay pointing the same direction, not spin out and stop facing the other direction. Anybody can do a 180. Hell...I can pull a 180 on a bicycle. And in a car...well as long as the car has an e-brake, I can pull a 180 in it. Can't call that "drifting" though.

 

[HyperGSX]

this thread

 

[eMKay]

On purpose? No, what's the point? It will be a real race car.

 

[miamieclipse]

alright, down here in miami theres a lil thing they use called tray sliding. I personall havent done it, and i love my car too much to do it. But this is how u do it:

Put ure front (i cant remember if its the front or the back tires) tires on trays. Rev the engine, pull out the trays n u should be sliding for a while.

 

[greenmachine97]

my friend with a 91 gst used to do that after work. just find a resturant with some food trays, the harder the plastic, the better. then just roll your back tires onto the trays and lock up your ebrake. do this in a parking lot, duh! and just start driving and your back end will slide out like it is on snow and your front tires will stick! you can only do this fo a few minutes before wearing through the trays, but it is funny for a little while.
and on the topic of drifting, you cant drift a fwd car. i have owned two fwd's and i also own an ae86(rwd). and drifting is when the adhesion of the rear tires is lost, causing the car to oversteer. and doing this into and through a turn is drifting. pretty much throwing the car sideways b4 the turn and looking in at the turn until it straightens out and then just countersteering your way through the corner. this can be argued all day long, but in order to do this you have to be able to control how fast the rear tires are spinning, (throttle modulation) in order to control the car through the turn. in a fwd car you have no control over the rear end of the car, besides the ebrake but even then you cant make the rear tires lose grip and maintain the lost grip through a turn in complete control. In a FWD car it is called "ass-dragging" or ebraking. true drifting can only be done in a car allowing you to modulate how fast the rear tires are spinning and control the ass of the car. (rwd/awd) but i know there are a billion people that are going to argue with me now, so go ahead and tell me your story.

"Chicks dig guys who can do it sideways!"

 

[r3dline]

What he said. I totally vouch for it. E-braking is NOT drifting. It's just locking up yourass and sliding. DRIFTING is locking up your ass long enough to start sliding, and then controlling that slide in a direction (through a turn) using both steering and throttle control. This just can't be done with a FWD car.

 

[greenmachine97]

Originally posted by r3dline
What he said. I totally vouch for it. E-braking is NOT drifting. It's just locking up yourass and sliding. DRIFTING is locking up your ass long enough to start sliding, and then controlling that slide in a direction (through a turn) using both steering and throttle control. This just can't be done with a FWD car.

thanks for backing me up. but i think we can all agree on this, Just Because It Isnt "Drifting" doesnt mean it isnt fun! so go ahead and ass-drag all night and wear down them back tires. ripping a car through turns one after another is still 10x more fun than a 1/4 mile drag race, in my opinion, but maybe if i had a 10 second car i would think otherwise. But then again that is why i have my ae86! ~Stay-Sideways~

 

[r3dline]

Damn right it's fun. It might not be controlled drifting, but everytime I pass a big open parking lot on a rainy/snowy day...I can't help but cut it over in there, jerk the wheel, and pop that e-brake, and just LETTER' SLIIIIIIDE. :laugh:

 

[Boostmonkey]

A few posts above someone mentions "traying"
My buddy does this all the time in the Kmart parking lot (because its massive and theres a mcdonalds nextdoor) with his winter beater crx.
Basically what it entails is putting the rear wheels on lunch trays, backing over them is the easiest way. Then just rev up and let it out and turn. You whip around like hell, much like snow. Its great fun if you are bored at midnight... but i cant imagine it being too good for the suspension / drivetrain. And my car has never seen lunch trays

Just to clear that one up,
Dave

 

[my95tsi]

Hmmm, never seen a fwd drift car.... Well those N/T guys have to do something thats fun besides going fast:laugh:

 

[2gGSX]

a correct slide will let you exit the turn faster than you go in supposedly..good luck doing that on a FWD

 

[Topple]

Originally posted by my95tsi
Hmmm, never seen a fwd drift car.... Well those N/T guys have to do something thats fun besides going fast:laugh:

Hey!!

 

[my95tsi]

my bad.... no hard feelings?

 

[Topple]

Of course not... I'll own you on the downhill..

 

[cOiL]

Originally posted by greenmachine97
in a fwd car you have no control over the rear end of the car, besides the ebrake but even then you cant make the rear tires lose grip and maintain the lost grip through a turn in complete control.

its called left foot braking.

 

[my95tsi]

Thats only if i had AWD slowing me down.

Originally posted by Topple
Of course not... I'll own you on the downhill..

 

[tjstoner]

the main reason you really cant drift a FWD is that you are loosing traction on the wheels that are doing the steering, thats why FWD guys hit light poles alot when they screw around and try to drift in town, AWD have LSD usually 3 of them on evo , and that allows the front wheels to break traction later than the rear and thus keeps you in control of the car

 

[jtmcinder]

It's actually even simpler (and more general). The reason that you can't drift a FWD DSM is that the car is an understeering pig. This is also why it's hard to drift an AWD DSM, as these car have almost as much understeer (stock) as the FWDs. Drifting is controlled oversteer. That you can snap-spin a FWD or an AWD is irrelevant. Again, drifting is controlled oversteer. Until the car is set up to oversteer in a controllable way, it can't be drifted. And even if you do have your FWD DSM set up to oversteer, you still can't drift in the usual way, since the rear wheels are not powered.

As someone (somewhere) pointed out, the key issue is whether the car can be steered with the throttle. If the answer is yes and you can get the car sideways without spinning (and keep it that way), then you can drift.

As to the idea that you can leave the corner faster than you entered ... of course you can. You do this by starting with the car motionless at corner entry. The question is whether controlled oversteer is going to let you exit the corner faster than when you came in when you entered the corner at speed. The usual answer is no.

- Jtoby

ps. Very few AWD cars come with three LSDs, the new Evo and the STi being two of the rare exceptions. The reason that you can drift an STi is that you can set the center diff to 35/65, over-cook the rears, and get controllable oversteer. An Evo8 is much harder to drift (on pavement).

 

[tjstoner]

Originally posted by jtmcinder
It's actually even simpler (and more general). The reason that you can't drift a FWD DSM is that the car is an understeering pig. This is also why it's hard to drift an AWD DSM, as these car have almost as much understeer (stock) as the FWDs. Drifting is controlled oversteer. That you can snap-spin a FWD or an AWD is irrelevant. Again, drifting is controlled oversteer. Until the car is set up to oversteer in a controllable way, it can't be drifted. And even if you do have your FWD DSM set up to oversteer, you still can't drift in the usual way, since the rear wheels are not powered.

As someone (somewhere) pointed out, the key issue is whether the car can be steered with the throttle. If the answer is yes and you can get the car sideways without spinning (and keep it that way), then you can drift.

As to the idea that you can leave the corner faster than you entered ... of course you can. You do this by starting with the car motionless at corner entry. The question is whether controlled oversteer is going to let you exit the corner faster than when you came in when you entered the corner at speed. The usual answer is no.

- Jtoby

ps. Very few AWD cars come with three LSDs, the new Evo and the STi being two of the rare exceptions. The reason that you can drift an STi is that you can set the center diff to 35/65, over-cook the rears, and get controllable oversteer. An Evo8 is much harder to drift (on pavement).

that pretty much is what i said, but a longer version of it, and my LSD statement was directed to the ones we find that are worth discussing, EVO , WRX..

 

[Topple]

Originally posted by my95tsi
Thats only if i had AWD slowing me down.

I'm N/A..... no need to wait on a turbo to push me through the corners.

 

[my95tsi]

what are you talking about??

Originally posted by Topple
I'm N/A..... no need to wait on a turbo to push me through the corners.

 

[Topple]

Forget it... you must not do a lot of mountain runs.

 

[3literpwr]

YES a fwd car can have a controled drift! I have doen it hundreds of times!! Its called LEFT FOOT BREAKING..... Rally drivers have been using this tecnique for many many years to get fwd car set up for corners.... It can be done on any surface, but takes MUCH practice to master (get to work) You are effectivly changing the balance of the car whilst entering a corner..... Whilst you approche a corner you would be in lets say in 3rd gear carrying a good deal of speed.... then you would heal/toe shift into 2nd gear then right before you start your turn it you need to give the car a bit of a "flick" (turning out before turning in) then you will apply a very light amount of brake preassure WHILE STILL ON THE GAS!!! (almost full) then you balance the car with the amount of left foot brake and gas you give the car... more left foot will stick the ass out futther and more gas will pull it straight.....

It also helps to have proper spring rates and sway bars so the car by nature does not wanna understeer like a pig.....


It took me just stoping my street car (old nasty ford cougar or e150 van)
for a few months before I was confidant enough to use the left foot in compitition and be usefull.... The problem is many people STAB at the brake and overslow the car.....REMEBER you are not slowing the car down just changing the balance...thats how little effort you apply to the pedal....

I suggest starting on a few dirt roads......

In alot of rally vids with fwd car you offten will notice the brake lights on in a corner while you hear the revs go UP!

Best of luck

Larry Parker
#622 SCCA CLUB RALLY

 

[xXeclipstasyXx]

bullshit Ebraking is not drifting, go watch some initial d.... toyota trueno takes on a EG6 (civic hatch)... for FWD cars E braking is considered drifting in Japan, since its your only option. It's just a different style... In a RWD car you control a drift with the throttle, giving it gas and backing off when you need to... in an AWD car you have the throttle fully open and control with the wheel.... and AWD car has to have the throttle open in order to get all 4 wheels to slide, as i FWD car has to use the ebrake to get the back tires to slide.