PLZ Help! Questions about auto to manual conversion!

[GSX-2NV]

I know a good place in Ottawa, Ontario that has several automatic eclipses (2g) and I want a 5spd, the thing is eclipse's are extremely price'y and hard to find in Ottawa especially turbo. (Eclipse owners in Ontario im sure you know)

I was wondering the following...

For people who have done this conversion;
About how much did it cost?
How long did it take?
And are there any pros or cons to this?
and anything else that would be helpfull to me

PLz help, thanks
Adam

 

[mrJDMrickard]

Im just about done with my conversion now. Im doing it on a 97 GSX and the conversion itself is not really that hard. The only really hard part that Ive come across is finding all the parts. That alone took me over 3 months. I got all of my parts out of a wrecked 98 GSX w/50k miles for $1000. That includes axles, drive shaft, transmission, t-case, rear end, pedals, shifter, shifter cables, and all of the other little stuff that I needed. The only other things that I had to buy separate was the flywheel and a clutch kit. Now the only thing holding me back from completion is the clutch kit, I have every thing but that. Im sure its going to be worth the hassle and money after its finished. And for a total cost, I would say between $1600 to $1800. I really dont know what a mechanic would charge to do this swap but I would say around $500. I got a buddy that is helping me so its saving me a few pennies there.

 

[husterka]

Im just about done with my conversion now. Im doing it on a 97 GSX and the conversion itself is not really that hard. The only really hard part that Ive come across is finding all the parts. That alone took me over 3 months. I got all of my parts out of a wrecked 98 GSX w/50k miles for $1000. That includes axles, drive shaft, transmission, t-case, rear end, pedals, shifter, shifter cables, and all of the other little stuff that I needed. The only other things that I had to buy separate was the flywheel and a clutch kit. Now the only thing holding me back from completion is the clutch kit, I have every thing but that. Im sure its going to be worth the hassle and money after its finished. And for a total cost, I would say between $1600 to $1800. I really dont know what a mechanic would charge to do this swap but I would say around $500. I got a buddy that is helping me so its saving me a few pennies there.

This has been a largely discussed topic. Could you document the procedure and parts list needed for the swap and post it? It would be much appreciated by myself and the rest of the 2g DSM community.

 

[irn__man]

I just completed the swap on my 99GSX, well worth the $$$, time and effort. Cost me about $1300 to do the swap shopping around for the parts. Everything works fine except Cruise Control, which I do not use anyway.

Just do some research, and searches all info is accessible and it is not a hard job to do. The hardest part is getting the car high enough off the ground (16") in my case.

frank

 

[mrJDMrickard]

Yeah, its well worth the cash!! I will try to get back in a few days with the parts list. I had it printed out somewhere and I lost it No big deal though, I will find it somewhere.

J. Rickard

 

[husterka]

Thanks man!!! I have been wanting to do this ever since I bought my DSM two years ago. The parts list will really come in handy. Do you have any documentation on the procedure and/or what did you use to complete your install?

 

[irn__man]

2G AWD
1.) Transmission AWD(W5M33), 95-96 or 97-99 Tranny, Transfer and Rear End must either be from 95-96 or 97-99. You cannot mix between 95-96 with 97-99.
2.) Transfer Case, 95-96 or 97-99 Tranny, Transfer and Rear End must either be from 95-96 or 97-99. You cannot mix between 95-96 with 97-99.
3.) Rear end (pumpkin, diff, whatever), 95-96 or 97-99 Tranny, Transfer and Rear End must either be from 95-96 or 97-99. You cannot mix between 95-96 with 97-99.
4.) Top trans mount "shoe" (cast aluminum piece), with nuts & bolts
5.) Rear trans bracket, nuts & bolts
6.) Flywheel (must be a AWD Flywheel)
7.) Flywheel bolts
8.) Clutch
9.) Pressure plate bolts
10.) Engine/trans separator plate with bolts
11.) Clutch Slave Cylinder
12.) Clutch Slave Cylinder Bolts
13.) Clutch Line (if you can be provided), ordered RRE’s Stainless Braided Clutch Line
14.) Clutch Master Cylinder with nuts & bolts
15.) Clutch Master Cylinder Resevoir Cup
16.) Clutch Pedal Assembly (with all switches and springs), with nuts & bolts
17.) Brake Pedal Assembly (with all switches and springs), with nuts & bolts
18.) Shifter Cables (with boot for firewall)
19.) Shifter Assembly
20.) Shift Boot
21.) Shift Knob
22.) Front Axles
23.) Backup light harness plug
24.) Speed Sensor
25.) MT Starter
26.) Flywheel Inspection Cover

That is about most of it.

frank

 

[mrJDMrickard]

Damn, irn_man hit that one right in the head. I didnt really document it but I can tell you that it is not all that hard. The only thing you really need is a good place to work with good tools and a good source to get the car as high in the air as you can. Makes it a little easier and makes the process much faster. I also had a good friend who is a great mechanic helping me through most of the work. And another thing, make sure you get all of the parts listed before you even think about starting. You dont want to go what I went through (wrong axles 4 different times). That said, good luck and keep us posted.

-RICKARD-

 

[husterka]

If any of you guys have part numbers along with the parts list it would be greatly appreciated. It would definitely speed up my time. I have been looking through my Haynes manual and shop manual and it looks like something myself and my mechanic buddy are capable of doing. Looks like I have a new project for this winter!!!

 

[irn__man]

Found it the Yahoo A/T DSM Group in the Files area. here is the spreasheet:

PART NAME (PNC) REPLACEMENT PART # PRICE Quantity TOTAL

Transmission Assymbly Core MD972017 $1,437.50 1 $1,437.50
Flywheel (JUN Chromoly) EXM1925 $425.00 1 $425.00
Flywheel to Crankshaft Bolts, 12x21.2 Flange 03797 MD302074 $1.63 7 $11.41
Clutch Release Bearing 20430 MD749998 $16.79 1 $16.79
Clutch Assymbly (ACT 2600lb Xtreme) EXM0514 $350.00 1 $350.00
Slave Cylinder 20400A MD749823 $22.94 1 $22.94
Clutch Release Cylinder Tube 20464 MD746084 $5.33 1 $5.33
Bolt for Clutch Release Cylinder Tube 20961YE MF241252 $0.50 1 $0.50
Clutch Fluid Chamber 20428 MD749915 $29.88 1 $29.88
Clutch Release Cylinder Tube 20464P MD745644 $3.88 1 $3.88
Clutch Hose Clip 20957 MA431825 $0.79 2 $1.58
Clutch Hose 20425 MR151524 $8.09 1 $8.09
Clutch Hose Clip 20957 MA431825 $0.79 1 $0.79
Clutch Pipe 20157 MB910583 $11.00 1 $11.00
Clutch Pipe Mounting Clip 20194B MB864569 $0.88 2 $1.76
Clutch Pipe Mounting Clip's Bolt 20197C MF243649 $0.50 3 $1.50
Clutch Pipe Mounting Clip 20194B MB864569 $0.88 1 $0.88
+Master Cylinder 20100A MB910562 $62.64 1 $62.64
+Fluid Resovoir 1
- Hose Clip 20194C MB058362 $0.50 2 $1.00
- Hose 20025 MB082024 $4.54 1 $4.54
- Hose Clip 20194C MB058362 $0.50 1 $0.50
- Resovoir Cap 20015 MB555135 $4.23 1 $4.23
- Fluid Container 20036 MB911648 $2.33 1 $2.33
- Mounting Bracket 20007 MB910567 $3.27 1 $3.27
- Bracket Bolts 20197 NO DATA 2
- Container Holder Adj. Screm 20197B MF243623 $0.79 1 $0.79
+FireWall Side (Pedal Connections)
- Master Cylinder Mounting Bolt 20186 MS440503 $0.23 2 $0.46
- Clevis Pin 20193C MF473492 $0.50 1 $0.50
- Spacer 20178 MF451105 $0.23 1 $0.23
- Washer 20920 MF520006 $0.23 1 $0.23
- Clip Pin 20193B MF472042 $0.06 1 $0.06
- Firewall Gasket? 20144 MB555016 $0.68 1 $0.68
Clutch Pedal Assymbly (Pull From JunkYard) 1
Brake Pedal Assymbly (Pull From JunkYard) 1
Shifter Assymbly (Pull from JunkYard) 1
+ Gearshift Cable 24906 MD770677 $55.45 1 $55.45
- Select Cable Spacer Tranny Side 24588B MF450154 $0.23 4 $0.92
- Select Cable Lock Clip Tranny Side 24579B MF472040 $0.06 4 $0.24
- Select Cable Mounting Clip Tranny Side 24589B MB367526 $2.04 2 $4.08
- Shift Cable Spacer Tranny Side 24588B MF450154 $0.23 1 $0.23
- Shift Cable Lock Clip Tranny Side 24579B MF472040 $0.06 1 $0.06
- Shift Cable Mounting Clip Tranny Side 24589B MB367526 $2.04 1 $2.04
- Gearshift Cable Firewall Grommet Mounting Nuts 24582B MS440503 $0.23 4 $0.92
- Shift Cable to Shifter Assymbly Spacer 24594E MB949743 $0.99 1 $0.99
- Shift Cable to Shifter Assymbly Lock Clip 24579B MF472040 $0.06 1 $0.06
- Shift Cable Mounting Clip Shifter Assymbly Side 24589C MB307554 $1.17 2 $2.34
- Select Cable to Shifter Assymbly Lock Clip 24579B MF472040 $0.06 1 $0.06
- Select Cable Mounting Clip Shifter Assymbly Side 24589C MB307554 $1.17 1 $1.17
Center Console (Pull From JunkYard) 1
Black Shift Boot 24021 MR330546 $18.74 1 $18.74
DSM club Prices ------------------------------------ TOTAL $2,497.59
fwm

 

[Grimis]

I got one question, besides that, this is what ive been looking for, besides on how to do all this, my question is, whats with the rear end? i've seen some list it and some don't, I mean, is there a diffrence from the AT rear and the MT rear? and the axles i can figure, just thought id ask, and has any one made a insturctions on what to do and how? or is the instructions for the fwd swap the same? Thanks