AWD vs FWD how fast can you shift??

[slipstream808]

OK, I'm getting '91 TSi AWD manual. I test drove it. Very nice minus the lack of power steering. But I noticed that when I shifted at my normal rate, it grinded into gear. It went in, but it ground. The seller (an experienced DSMer with the AWD) said that the AWD's need a slower shift because they are AWD. I got used to it and the car was fine and all. But I was just curious.

BTW, my '98 has a short throw, shifter base bushings, shifter end cable bushings, a lightweight flywheel and motormounts, so I think that accounts for stuff. But I just couldn't make out that it grinded but could go so easily into gear. My car when it grinds... it doesn't go at all. (not that it does it unless I screw up). Thanks!

 

[DROOPY209]

Sounds to me like those synchros in the tranny are starting to wear out....

 

[JaxTalonTSi]

OK, I'm getting '91 TSi AWD manual. I test drove it. Very nice minus the lack of power steering. But I noticed that when I shifted at my normal rate, it grinded into gear. It went in, but it ground. The seller (an experienced DSMer with the AWD) said that the AWD's need a slower shift because they are AWD. I got used to it and the car was fine and all. But I was just curious.

BTW, my '98 has a short throw, shifter base bushings, shifter end cable bushings, a lightweight flywheel and motormounts, so I think that accounts for stuff. But I just couldn't make out that it grinded but could go so easily into gear. My car when it grinds... it doesn't go at all. (not that it does it unless I screw up). Thanks!

The seller is full of shit. There is no such thing as having to shift "slower" depending on a drivetrain layout. The transmission probably needs synchros, or has some other transmission related issues. That problem will get worst as you drive the car, not better, and most likely will need replacement or a rebuild in the near future, especialy if the car will be modded and driven hard.

 

[Strm Trpr]

Ask him about tranny lube, what he used in the past, and how long ago since last changed.
Shifter cables need to be adjusted eventually, especially on a 91 Tsi AWD.
The clutch pedal assembly could be worn and not allowing the clutch to fully function as intended.
That's an easy search.

I know it would be really hard for me to pass up a 91 tsi awd....

Also, your 98 has quite an improved set-up vs. his 15 year old awd trans and shifting system.

All of the mods you've done will only help shifting performance.

To me, if the price is right, and she's your next project car, take your time and look her over carefully, it may be what you're looking for.

 

[slipstream808]

Thanks, I was afraid of that. I just need the winter. Then I can delve into its inner workings and rebuild. I plan to do the same amount of work to the shifter assembly as I've done to my spyder. And I need to readjust that clutch for sure. I don't like the 2600's engagement point.

 

[Defiant]

I'm with Droop and Jax. Your "experienced" seller is wrong. More like the car was driven harder, by one of those who'll tell you double-clutching is a waste of time on a synchomesh transmission.
You may have some relief by switching to another transmission fluid, such as Pennzoil Synchromesh or B&G Synchroshift.

 

[slipstream808]

I'm sure I'd have more relief by buying the car... but that's not an option right now. Oh well.