1G NA Tranny On Turbo DSM!

[joseph]

I have NA tranny on my turbo DSM (1990 Plymouth Laser fwd), I found this out when I had to replace the clutch on my car because I had to buy a 2.0 NA clutch kit. Anyways, I thought this would hurt me against other turbo DSM's with the right tranny, but I guess I was wrong.

My other two friends have DSM's also and the exact same mods as me. When went from a 1st gear roll I beat them both by a length and half. When we went from a 2nd gear roll I put like three lengths on them! I even did this to my other friend who had 18g! I don't know if the gear ratios are diff or how diff but i Think it makes a big difference!

If anybody has any info or comments on this subject please let me know!

We all had the same mods (hacked air can w/K&N, BCS mod, and dumped exhaust)

 

[984G634LIFE]

We all have the same exact tranny I believe dude. I'm not sure of the tranny code but I'm almost positive its the same. And on top of that if you all three were rolling its impossible for you to all be going the same speed especially if you all are driving manuals. And who said "go" did you have a flagger or did two of them look at the third? Concentration could have been depleted and your consistency was undetermined. I believe it to be pure luck or a freak accident. I find it very hard to believe that you'd beat my GST if i had the same mods even on a roll....and were your friends cars AWD or FWD?Were any of the three lighter?

 

[joseph]

first off thats why i hate posting threads because theirs always a smart ass like yourself who has to put their smart ass comments up.But if this makes you happy ...We didn't all race at the same time we raced eached other 1 on 1 and beleive me it just wasn't one race this happed about at least 7 to 10 times. Since you never have heard about racing from a role, then let me break it down for your dunb a**. You start driving in 1st gear until you are both goning at th esame speed or right next to each other, then one of you honks three times and you go on the third honk! IT'S REALLY SIMPLE! unless your a retard as yourself.And there where plenty of times they jumped the gun and I still sucked them up and started pulling from them , so maybe next time you might want to be more of grown up then a little kid!

 

[McGruffAWD]

Woah woah woah now there. Settle down tiger.

He never said he didn't know what starting from a roll was and he nearly pointed out the possiblites why you could of won. You didn't give us what cars everyone was driving. If they are both AWD and your a FWD then that explains a lot.

Sorry about drifting away from your question but I do believe you need to calm down. I don't think it has anything to do with the tranny. If anything I would think a N/A tranny would suck more. Anyways I think it has to do with the drivers.

How about we stop double posting eh?

 

[mavisky]

the 1g 2.0 fwd nt has lower ratios 1-4 as compared to the 1g fwd turbo. i have this tranny on my car and i agree with you it's a monster of a change. the gearing works out to be the same as the awd cars but with less weight. i also believe the awd's hae a lower 5th gear than all of them.

 

[got traction?]

the gear ratios are completely different,, so I dont see how you could even pull on a honduh

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by got traction?
the gear ratios are completely different,, so I dont see how you could even pull on a honduh

what the hell are you talking about??

the gear ratios in the nt are shorter, therefore giving the car better acceleration in the first four gears, but 5th gear works out to almost the exact same gearing. they did this to make the car "feel" quicker in the first four gears, but still get monster gas mileage when highway cruising in 5th.

 

[984G634LIFE]

OK, I read it. WHAT THE #@%#@%#@%#@% IS YOUR POINT?

What are the other two cars? Do you all have manuals or autos or a mix? Are you all AWD or FWD or a mix? What years are the vehicles? You said DSM's so they could be one of four cars in a gap of 10 years come on man. Answer these questions and I will explain exactly why you won most of the races or why you are bullshitting a veteran racer.

This is my reply to Joseph PM'ing me and telling me to read this thread after your responses have all been posted.

Somebody PLEASE back me up here and encourage this kid to answer my Q's.

 

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by McGruffAWD
how about we stop double posting eh?

eh

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by 984G634LIFE
OK, I read it. WHAT THE #@%#@%#@%#@% IS YOUR POINT?

What are the other two cars? Do you all have manuals or autos or a mix? Are you all AWD or FWD or a mix? What years are the vehicles? You said DSM's so they could be one of four cars in a gap of 10 years come on man. Answer these questions and I will explain exactly why you won most of the races or why you are bullshitting a veteran racer.

This is my reply to Joseph PM'ing me and telling me to read this thread after your responses have all been posted.

Somebody PLEASE back me up here and encourage this kid to answer my Q's.

The point is that regardless of what cars they had, with equal mods his car will be faster.

If they're awd they'll weigh more and struggle from a roll for that reason

if they're fwd they'll have the higher gear ratios of the fwd turbo cars, and be slower than his with the nt tranny.

if they're automatics, they'll just plain struggle.

 

[buclao2]

would a 2g nt tranny ... be faster than a 2g turbo tranny?

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by buclao2
would a 2g nt tranny ... be faster than a 2g turbo tranny?

dear god tell me you're kiding.

first off your car is a gsx, ever seen an awd nt?? nope me either.

secondly if can get that chrysler tranny (that sits on the driver's side) to mount up to the 4g63 (on the passenger side) i'd be impressed, that is until you displayed your new found prowes by having 5 reverse gears.:laugh:

 

[984G634LIFE]

the point is that regardless of what cars they had, with equal mods his car will be faster. if they're awd they'll weigh more and struglle from a roll for that reason if they're fwd they'll have the higher gear ratios of the fwd turbo cars, and be slower than his with the nt tranny.
if they're automatics, they'll just plain struggle.
-Mavisky

Alright that made sense but gave me no explanation what so ever. If the cars were AWD then yes they would be heavier, FWD lighter, 1st gen and 2nd gen weight differences, manifold differences,torque converters, not to mention even though they were going the same speed if one had an auto and the other a manual, going the same speed consists of two different RPM's which to us people who have a brain means TORQUE! And not to mention the fact that unless your at WOT an auto would shift out of first gear before two people could co-inside and then honk! So if the manual is in first and the auto in second guess what, the manual wins. And as for an auto PLAIN STRUGGLING.....if your racing a car on a roll and you have an auto you have longer gear ratios, turbo never stops spinning and you shift faster than any human could in a manual. All i know is that my GST has never "struggled". If the facts are revealed then I will have a perfect explanation as to why most of the races were won by JOSEPH.

 

[mavisky]

what are you rambling about??

its this simple - assuming all the cars have equal mods

joseph' car - turbo power, light weight of fwd, shorter ratios that will greatly increase acceleration in the first 4 gears

friend's turbo fwd's - turbo power, light weight of fwd's (slightly higher in 2g's), taller ratio's of fwd that will decrease acceleration as compared to nt tranny

friend's awd's - turbo power, heavy weight of awd system, shorter gearing of awd doesn't make up for the weight when on the roll though.

fwd auto's - turbo power, most likely would have to wait on a downshift before acceleration, no high stall converter, if 2g small t25, if 1g small 13g, low power compared to 1g fwd manual, weight of fwd advantage

awd auto's - turbo power, downshift wait, no high stall converter, extra weight of awd advantage, t25 on 2g, 13g on 1g, weight of awd, both low on power compared to 1g fwd manual

asuuming most cars are stock, or slightly modified (mbc, maybe exhaust) the 1g fwd with a non-turbo tranny will pull on all of these cars regardless of what speed they're in. the only car that would stay close with it would be a 1g fwd turbo with the turbo tranny and that's only if the cars stay in 5th gear since 5th is nearly the same overall ratios.

with my 1g fwd 14b at 16 psi i was able to outpull my friend's 1g awd with a smal 16g at 15 psi easily. all a matter of weight and gearing.

if you still don't understand i'd love to hear why because i can't for the life of me understand how you couldn't after thoroughly reading this. if you don't however i'll gladly help you understand this better.

 

[984G634LIFE]

I understand your view point and the THEORY of it all especially after you posted it and after doing research and retaining my own knowledge. Everything you posted makes perfect sense to me, but if what we are establising here is that this kids turbo car with a nt tranny in it is the best combination because he beat some of his friends on a roll, and in your theory you included all possible combos such as 1st gen,2nd gen auto and manual, then why dont all of us dump a f*ckin nt tranny in our turbo cars? I still DO understand you're post trust me i'm not incompetent but i'm saying they all could have not had the same amount of torque, HP, and gearing and start at the same RPM and speed and so in consequence it maybe that it was luck for him to win so many times or its a hint that all of us turbo owners need a nt tranny. Which is it?