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Cesar 04-01-2004 09:09 PM

[RESOLVED] Transmissions (bar codes, serial numbers)
 
Well,
I performed a quick search and I was not satisfied with the results. I was wondering whether anyone would be interested in helping me out. You see I'm in the middle of performing a tranny swap, and I would like to know how to distinguish trannies through serial numbers or bar codes. This is what I got so far, but this is of the net so, I'm not sure whether it's correct.
89-90 w5m33-2 npzs awd turbo
91-94 w5m33-2-npxv awd turbo

If you would like to contribute, all you have to do is look under your hood, the dsm label with all your vehicle information on it (if it's still clear). Just post the model of the transmission , it's the third row. (assuming you haven't already performed a swap)(don't forget to post the vehicle info).
Unless you have a repair manual with all the numbers already in them, that would be alot easier.
Thanks for your time.

Defiant 04-02-2004 02:33 AM

Despite the hazards of the web, I think these specs are going to be as accurate as can be found (almost at the bottom of the page):

[url]http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q/answers-specifications.htm[/url]

Cesar 04-02-2004 04:42 AM

Yeah, I've already seen those....thanks
I was hoping on having it a little more accurate. I want to be able to tell the differences between the different w5m33 trannys. Specially the 2g.

Cesar 04-20-2004 09:27 PM

Transmission type is W5M33 (KM225) for the Evo 1 and W5M33-2-UPYE for the Evo 2 and Evo 3.

[url]http://www.lancerregister.com/art_evo1to3guide.php[/url]

Cesar 04-20-2004 09:29 PM

[url]http://www.hughdepayen.net/artman/publish/printer_evoIIspecs.shtml[/url]

Evo 2
Transmission

Gearbox Type: 5 Manual
Ratio : Final Drive: 5.433
Ratio : Reverse: 3.166
Ratio : 1st: 2.750
Ratio : 2nd: 1.684
Ratio : 3rd: 1.160
Ratio : 4th: 0.862
Ratio : 5th: 0.617

Think outside the box...

hamarabix 05-25-2004 10:49 PM

A more difinitive answer
 
All of this info has been copied and pasted from GalantVr4.org into this document. I take no responsibility for the accuracy of it. Sorry for the way its organized, but I wanted it to be the same way it was originally authored.


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Transmission model numbers that I know will interchange with my 1991
> Mitsubishi Galant VR4 AWD 5spd turbo:
>
> Model Comments
>
> W5M33-2-NQBK 91-2 Galant VR4 up to 4/92
> W5M33-2-NQBM 92 Galant VR4 mfg 5/92
> W5M33-2-NPXV 91-94 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 6/90-2/94
> W5M33-2-NNZT 95? Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94 [not sure about this
one]
> W5M33-2-NPZT 95-96 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94-6/96
>
> From my friends with a switchable 2WD->4WD JDM Galant trans that I
> would LOVE to get a hold of:
> C5OPH-EK1420 or
> C5JPF-FL8420
>
> See [url]http://www.vfaq.com/mods/Tranny-switchable.html[/url] for more
details.
>
>>
> FYI: Other Mitsu AWD M/T trans of note that WILL NOT interchange
> (supposedly):
>
> W5MG1-0-FNBR 3000GT 4WD w/ 4WS, 5spd mfg 4/90-5/92
> W5MG1-1-FNCR 3000GT 4WD w/ 4WS, 5spd mfg 11/91-5/92
> W5MG1-2-FNBR or FCNR 3000GT 4WD w/ 4WS, 5spd mfg 6/92-9/92
> W5MG1-3-FNBR or FCNR 3000GT 4WD w/ 4WS, 5spd mfg 10/92-5/93
> W6MG1-0-FNBR 3000GT 4WD w/ or w/o 4WS, 6spd mfg 6/93-end
>
> W5M33-2-NPZS 89-90 Eclipse AWD 5spd turbo mfg 3/89-6/90 [change
> shift linkage]
> W5M33-2-MUZT 97-99 Eclipse AWD 5spd turbo mfg 7/96-end
>
> W5M31-2-VQZH Galant GSX AWD non-turbo 5spd mfg 6/89-5/90
> W5M31-2-VQBK Galant GSX AWD non-turbo 5spd mfg 6/90-5/92
>
> W5M31-2-VNXL Expo-LRV 1.8 AWD non-turbo 5spd
> W5M33-2-NNXL Expo-LRV 2.4 AWD non-turbo 5spd
> W5M33-2-NNXL Expo 2.4 AWD non-turbo 5spd mfg 6/92-2/94
> W5M33-2-NNXZ Expo 2.4 AWD non-turbo 5spd mfg 5/91-5/92
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US TEL 1G 3/89 - 6/90 (shift link) -> w5m332npzs
US TEL 1G 6/90 - 2/94 -> w5m332npxv
US TEL 2G 3/94 - 6/96 -> w5m332npzt
US TEL 2G 7/96 and up -> w5m332muzt

US spec GVR4 to 4/92 -> w5m332nqbk
US spec GVR4 5/92 and up -> w5m332nqbm

US Galant GSX AWD non-turbo 6/89-5/90 -> w5m312vqzh
US Galant GSX AWD non-turbo 6/90-5/92 -> w5m312vqbk

US Expo 1G AWD -> w5m33_mn__??? (Anyone know?)
US Expo-LRV 1.8 AWD non-turbo 5spd -> w5m312vnxl
US Expo-LRV 2.4 AWD non-turbo 5spd -> w5m332nnxl
US Expo 2.4 AWD non-turbo 6/92-2/94 -> w5m332nnxl
US Expo 2.4 AWD non-turbo 5/91-5/92 -> w5m332nnxz

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w5m332 means they are for turbo AWD 4g63 powered 1G, GVR4 and evo 1-3 (don't know about evo iv and beyond, anyone?).

nq -> is for the GVR4 (US and JDM)
np -> if the the US 1G and some 2G cars (up to 96; in '97 MMC switched from np to mu for the 2G)
c50ph -> is the switchable tranny (2wd/4wd)
c51ph -> if for the 88-89 JDM VR4 (early GVR4s) and select foreign market (a specimen was reported in Australia for example) GVR4s

All of the above are compatible with the GVR4 3 bolt and the 1G 4 bolt rear diffs.

wq -> is for the GVR4 RS and the evo1
evo2 and evo3 -> trannies each have letters that are different from all of the above and from one another.

The wq and evo2 and evo3 trannies DO NOT work with the US GVR4 3 bolt nor the US 1G 4 bolt rear diffs. The above data was gathered from multiple lists over a period of two years. I have found no exceptions to date.


PS -- As an FYI there are some wierd ones, for which I cannot comment about their compatibility with US cars. I'd stay away from these. They are:

nr -> unknown
f5m332sp -> unknown
w5m33?nn -> unknown
w5m33?mn -> unknown


W5M31 is a non turbo galant gsx

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GSXeclipsePSI 04-08-2008 05:45 PM

what are the specs of the W5M33-2MMZL tranny? I got this in my car right now, tranny shop put it in 2yrs ago. had to change the shifter input shaft, the other one was shorter or something and they had to take the counter weight off. I have the serial number also if that helps.

Thanks,
Kendel

Model# W5M33-2MMZL
Serial# TV3638

Cesar 04-08-2008 08:28 PM

if its been in there for 2 years, why question it now?

the only way to know the ratios for sure is to crack it open.

GSXeclipsePSI 04-09-2008 03:58 AM

why not question it, if its wrong or could cause more of a problem, I can get rid of it while its on my work bench not in the car.

Plus I wanted to know more info about this model tranny since its not a normal tranny for this car.

Cesar 04-09-2008 03:52 PM

the only thing that could cause a problem is the front diff ratio not matching the the t case causing the front wheels to rotate at a different speed than the rear.

where did you get the tranny from? if you are sure its a jdm, then it could be anything.
the code you posted is nothing close to the others in this thread.


have you tried searching the WWW?

GSXeclipsePSI 04-09-2008 06:08 PM

yes tried searching the web, called magnus motorsports they couldn't help me. Now I have a email in to john at shepracing.com to help me figure this out.


I belive it to be a JDM tranny becuase someone has mentioned a EvoIII or RVR tranny in a few posts, but there are only 3 post about this model number.

Cesar 04-10-2008 04:37 PM

I've asked him before about jdm tranny's. he said they could be anything. he recommended finding a local one, that way you knew what you were getting. what is a RVR?


where did you find these posts?
mind posting links?
anyway, i don't know what that is....post anything that you find.

GSXeclipsePSI 04-10-2008 10:05 PM

[IMG]http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/punker462606/scan0004.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii115/punker462606/scan0005.jpg[/IMG]

Thats all the info I found from now from DSMTalk.com and the reason I said the mini-van tranny or evoIII tranny is because when I searched the model number of the tranny, someone had posted that as a answer on DSMTuner.com.

But thats still good info above.

:thumb:

Afroclipse 04-11-2008 03:02 PM

I called tigerjapanese and after a couple days they finally called Japan and the answer is MNZL= 96 Galant RVR which they claim shares the same drivetrain as an evo 3, but all in all now we know.

Cesar 04-12-2008 04:27 PM

wiki rvr
 
"The Mitsubishi RVR is a compact MPV produced by Mitsubishi Motors between February 1991 and 2000. It was known in Europe as the Mitsubishi Space Runner and Mitsubishi Expo LRV in the United States, while export markets in Asia and Oceania used the original Japanese name. The RVR had also been sold by Chrysler as the Dodge/Plymouth Colt Vista and Eagle Summit Wagon captive imports in North America.

The top models used the drivetrain of the first Mitsubishi Galant VR-4; a 4G63T 2.0 L 16V DOHC turbo mated to either a four-speed auto or a five speed manual. Open front and rear differentials were used. Power output is rated at 170 kW (230 PS)."

Afroclipse 05-07-2008 03:21 PM

I joined the evocrew.com forum and finally I found the truth about RVR and EVO's, the RVR is a beautiful cousin of the colt awd and shares the drivetrain. The MMZL is for the RVR and is the same as the evo 3, the early RVR's had no LSD in the rear but the newer gear sports has and lsd. So the diff between the two is LSD.

Cesar 05-11-2008 10:37 AM

GearBox Code Vehicle Front LSD Ratio
W5M33-2-NGRE Lancer gsr RS (1992, 1800cc) ?

W5M33-2-NNZT Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94 ?

W5M33-2-NPXV 91-94 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 6/90-2/94 ?

W5M33-2-NPZT 95-96 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94-6/96 ?

W5M33-2-NQBE Libero/Lancer Gsr, non lsd version of NRWE No 3.545

W5M33-2-NQBK 1991-92 to 4/92 VR4/ZR4 Galant ?

W5M33-2-NQBM 1992 Galant to 5/92 ?

W5M33-2-NRBE 92-95 Lancer GSR, lightweight synco's 2nd & 3rd No 3.545

W5M33-2-NRWE 92-95 Lancer GSR, stronger box, dbl syncro 2nd Yes 3.545

W5M33-2-NRXD 1990 Cyborg No 3.545

W5M33-2-UPFE Evo3 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909

W5M33-2-UPGE Evo3 GSR non LSD No 3.909

W5M33-2-UPWE Evo3 GSR with front LSD Yes 3.909

W5M33-2-UPYE Evo3 RS non LSD No 3.909

W5M33-2-WPFE Evo2 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909

W5M33-2-WPGE Evo2 GSR non LSD No 3.909

W5M33-2-WPVF Galant VR4 E84A ?

W5M33-2-WPWE Evo2 GSR with front LSD Yes 3.909

W5M33-2-WPYE Evo2 RS non LSD No 3.909

W5M33-2-WQFE Evo1 RS with front LSD Yes 3.909

W5M33-2-WQFK Galant VR4 evo ? ?

W5M33-2-WQGE Evo1 GSR non LSD No 3.909

W5M33-2-WQNK VR4 Evo, close ratio box ? No 3.909

W5M33-2-WQWE Evo1 GSR (and RS?) with front LSD Yes 3.909

W5M33-2-WQYE Evo1 RS non LSD No 3.909

found this in another thread

Cesar 05-11-2008 10:39 AM

[url]http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-drivetrain/283659-how-read-transmission-serial-numbers-codes.html[/url]

GRNDSM 09-05-2008 06:58 AM

I found an even better decoding information! Of all places, it was on Belarus Mitsu forum :) Fortunatley, they talk Russian, so I was able to translate it. Here is the original source:

[url=http://www.mitsubishi-club.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=87631]Mitsubishi Club Belarus :: Просмотр темы - На какой авто утанавливалась коробка W5M33-2?[/url]

There are still a lot of question marks, but this is the first time that I have seen it decoded letter by letter. I think that we should be able to complete this puzzle :)

Anyway, this is what they had to say:

Last 4 Letters on the transmission code:

1st letter – Final Drive Ratio

N = 3.545 ratio
W = 3.909 ratio

2nd letter – gear ratios

O = dunno ratio?
P = dunno ratio?
Q = close ratio?
R = wide ratio?

3rd Letter – Front Differential

B = open front diff
F = ?
G = ?
W = viscous front LSD
X = ?
Y = open
Z = ?

4th Letter – Type of car it was used on. (Mounting locations?)
D = CB Lancer
E = CC Lancer
K = HH/HJ Galant
M = Galant
S = 89-90 Eclipse AWD 5spd
T = DSM G2
V = 91-94 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 6/90-2/94


Front LSD uses a different crownwheel, and a longer drivers side inner
CV joint

A few examples:

_GearBox Code___Vehicle.................................. ................................... Front LSD.......... Ratio
W5M33-2-MUZT.....Eclipse AWD 5spd turbo mfg 7/96-end
W5M33-2-NGRE.....Lancer gsr RS (1992, 1800cc)
w5m33-2-NNXL.....Expo 2.4 AWD non-turbo 5spd mfg 6/92-2/94
w5m33-2-NNXZ.....Expo 2.4 AWD non-turbo 5spd mfg 5/91-5/92
W5M33-2-NNZT.....95? Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94 [not sure about this one]
W5M33-2-NOBE.....Lancer GSR 3.545 no LSD
W5M33-2-NPXV.....91-94 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 6/90-2/94
W5M33-2-NPZS.....89-90 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 1/89-6/90 [change shift linkage]
W5M33-2-NPZT.....95-96 Eclipse AWD 5spd mfg 3/94-6/96
W5M33-2-NQBE.....Libero/Lancer Gsr 1.8rs, non lsd version of NRWE........No................3.545
W5M33-2-NQBK.....1991-92 to 4/92 Galant VR4/Eterna ZR-4
W5M33-2-NQBM.....Eterna ZR-4 1990, Galant VR4 to 5/92
W5M33-2-NQXV.....Sheriot 4wd, 1990, 4G63t
W5M33-2-NQZS.....Eclipse GSR-4 (Japan) вып. 09/89-12/90, код MD995574
W5M33-2-NRBE......92-95 Lancer GSR, lightweight synco's 2nd & 3rd..........No................3.545
W5M33-2-NRWE.....92-95 Lancer GSR, stronger box, dbl syncro 2nd..........Yes...............3.545
W5M33-2-NRXD.....1990 Cyborg hatch (4WD) .............................................No... .............3.545
W5M33-2-UPFE......Evo3 RS with front LSD............................................... ...Yes................3.909
W5M33-2-UPGE......Evo3 GSR non LSD .................................................. ......No................3.909
W5M33-2-UPWE.....Evo3 GSR with front LSD ..............................................Yes. ..............3.909
W5M33-2-UPYE......Evo 2 и Evo 3 RS non LSD ..............................................No.. ..............3.909
W5M33-2-WNZT.....95-96 Eclipse AWD 5spd - ?
W5M33-2-WPBV.....Eclipse AWD АТМОСФЕРНЫЙ "европеец".
W5M33-2-WPFE.....Evo2 RS with front LSD .................................................Y es...............3.909
W5M33-2-WPGE....Evo2 GSR non LSD .................................................. .......No.................3.909
W5M33-2-WPVF.....Cordia GSR - 4WD (Galant VR4 E84A ? твин турбо).......No.................3.909
W5M33-2-WPWE....Evo2 GSR with front LSD ...............................................Yes ...............3.909
W5M33-2-WPYE.....Evo2 RS non LSD .................................................. .........No.................3.909
W5M33-2-WQFE.....Evo1 RS with front LSD............................................... ...Yes...............3.909
W5M33-2-WQFK....Galant VR4 evo ? ?
W5M33-2-WQGE....Evo1 GSR non LSD .................................................. .......No.................3.909
W5M33-2-WQNK....Galant VR4 Evo, close ratio box ? ..................................No.............. ...3.909
W5M33-2-WQWE...92-93 Evo1 GSR (and RS?) (viscous front LSD) (3.909)
W5M33-2-WQYE.....Evo1 RS non LSD .................................................. .........No.................3.909

W5M33 - C5TPH = 1988 Galant VR4, Open Front Diff, 3.545 Ratio
4G63 (DOHC 16v) + KM-206 Transmissions 89-92 Galant, Eagle 2000 GTX, 92 Colt Turbo

c50ph -> is the switchable tranny (2wd/4wd)
c51ph -> if for the 88-89 JDM VR4 (early GVR4s) and select foreign market (a specimen was reported in Australia for example) GVR4s
From my friends with a switchable 2WD->4WD JDM Galant trans that I would LOVE to get a hold of:
C5OPH-EK1420 or C5JPF-FL8420
See [url=http://www.vfaq.com/mods/Tranny-switchable.html]JDM FWD/AWD Switchable Tranny[/url] for more details.

W5M33 2NQBK and under that it reads KD6377 -1990 Mitsubishi Eterna ZR-4

Afroclipse 04-23-2010 08:50 PM

[url=http://4gtuner.com/site/archive/index.php/t-8906.html]gear box code w5m332mmzl [Archive] - 4GTuner[/url]

redrvr27-11-2008, 12:11 PM
I know this is an old thread but thought I could finish it.

I have this box in my 94 turbo ssg rvr. Its 3.545 final drive


This guy confirmed that the final drive is a 3.5 for the MMZL model.


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