anybody with WS6 Pontiac vs 97 gst eclipse, spyder, Knowledge

[miguels3000]

Okay here’s the deal there’s this guy talking all this smack, 4 cylinder turbo NO WAY he can take my car, ws6 Pontiac, I want to prove him wrong and embarrass him at the track. What else would you guys recommend for me to do with low cost. If you check out my mods, I think I can get pretty close. He talks all this B.S. that his car can do 13 in the ¼ mile Stock, I’m thinking of the fuel pump rewire kit and the grounding kit to ground all the components in my engine bay. What do you guys thinks? Remember my car is a convertible so I don’t have the weight advantage. What else do you guys think I should get to be able to whoop some ws6 a**.

Thanks….

 

[nineD5_GS-T]

A WS-6 is gonna run low 13's. Like 13.2-13.3

Unless you have alotta mods, especially for a fwd spyder, ur gonna get raped

edit: just checked ur profile. You have decent mods, but i still dont think its enough, if you want some more power, get a dyno tuning session, best money you can spend.

 

[boostineklipz]

Race gas and 22psi, and it will be a close race. I bet you trap higher then he does but he has that RWD advantage over FWD (WWD). You should be good for low to mid 13s with good or any traction. Might be a good race.

 

[QuickerDSM]

Originally posted by miguels3000
Okay here’s the deal there’s this guy talking all this smack, 4 cylinder turbo NO WAY he can take my car, ws6 Pontiac, I want to prove him wrong and embarrass him at the track. What else would you guys recommend for me to do with low cost. If you check out my mods, I think I can get pretty close. He talks all this B.S. that his car can do 13 in the ¼ mile Stock, I’m thinking of the fuel pump rewire kit and the grounding kit to ground all the components in my engine bay. What do you guys thinks? Remember my car is a convertible so I don’t have the weight advantage. What else do you guys think I should get to be able to whoop some ws6 a**.

Thanks….

What year is the WS6? That will have a lot to do with how fast it is. If it's an LS1 it'll run hard bone stock. If it's an LT1 (pre-98) you'll have a better chance unless he's modded. My other car is a 97 Z28 (LT1) which is modded and I run low 12's/115mph all day long with DR's.

Of course I shouldn't have to say this, but driver will play a BIG role in the overall outcome.

Mike

 

[miguels3000]

Alright thanks people, that gives me a lot of encouragement, especially since this guy does nothing to his car himself, he used to talk about getting an exhaust and intake online then taking it to a shop to get it installed, I am not sure if he has gotten it. Being a guy that has done everything to his car himself in his driveway putting a lot of sweet, blood, tears and countless midnight hours into my car, last thing I want is for him to come out smiling.
Some girl at work he’s trying to get asked him who would win, and of course of he went “I can whoop him anytime just name the day and time. He cant be serious and think a 4 cylinder turbo can beat my car.” Whatever I’m going to get the rewire and grounding kit, try to schedule a dyno session, Race gas, 22 psi and a video camera.

 

[miguels3000]

Forgot to mention I know his car is automatic, once we ran into each other after work at a light, so naturally we went at the green for a very short block since there was traffic, he just spun tires. And I don’t think he’s ever been to a racetrack. Which reminds me I am going to try to go today and get some more practice in.

Anymore tips??
ill ask him what year it is and get back to you guys.

 

[boostineklipz]

For a better lauch, lower your front tire pressure to like 20-25 psi. If you have adjustable shocks, set them to the hardest setting in the back. Take the spare tire and jack out for weight saving. And finally good luck.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

you have lsd and upgraded turbo...with fuel pump and about 18+ psi you should beat him(tires willing) ws6 run low 13s with good driver all in all mid 13s or high if he sucks as bad as you say. You should win, not raping him but you should win.

 

[diambo4life]

Mid high 13's stock. low 13's if it's a good driver. I've taken out a few with the stock turbo. They are not untouchable to a mildly modified dsm.

 

[Blktsi_awd_961]

I wouldn't waist your money on the ground kit, just get the fuel pump, turn up the boost 2 or 3 psi and with a good launch and a little luck, you should get him in the quarter. Anything longer and he'll deffinently catch you. There are a few guys out here with ws-6's and i stomp on them all the time, but i have awd. Anyways, good luck!

 

[VaB90gsx]

I ran a newer model ws6 at the track one time.. even though i hit my best time ever 13.3 at 103mph he murdered me... he ran a 12.3 at 112.. his mods were as follows

-dr's
-chip
-exhuast

make sure u know what he has... or you might be very upset

 

[f4st]

You need to find out what year it is to see if it has an lt1 or ls1 engine. A friend of mine ran high 11s with his ls1 and nothing but bolt ons. Hope he has the lt1. and turn up the boost.

 

[miguels3000]

Thanks everyone for the replie's

I just asked him, its a 2000. I just re-ran my greddy boost controller vacume lines, I went to greddys techincal page and found out they posted a pictorial of how to install the greddy profec b on diffrent cars and noticed mines was wrong. I got the list of parts i need for the fuel pump re-wire kit and to do the grounding, if the grounding is not more than 40 bucks im going to buy the parts today, Ive been practicing on my launching, this wednesday or friday im going to the track and see what i get, ill post my time slip. thanks again for the replies.. and tips..

Miguel

 

[f4st]

The 2000 is an ls1. Hope he doesnt have drag radials and good luck!

 

[13secGST]

damn..man thats gonna be a tuff race..where in CA do you live? Cause if you don't beat him maybe I'll come over and spank him. I don't think that guy has drag radials if he spun the tires on the street. The reason I think it is going to be hard for you is because you have no kind of tuning system like an AFC or DSMLink. If you try to run high psi you are going to fuel cut without a doubt. Before I had my DSMLink and some other stuff I went to the track and dumped in some 110 leaded and tried turning my boost up but I hit fuel cut about 5 times in one pass...that sucked...so the rest of the time I had to run low boost. Thats the reason I would see you loosing. And you still have stock fuel pump!!! That is bad...especially with a 16g, when I first installed my big16g with stock fuel pump and injectors, I did a pull at 15psi, then I looked at my EGT gauge...its was well past 1600 if gauge permited it would have been close to 2000 F!!! I'm sorry bro, but your car just isn't ready to really take on a WS6 yet...you need some more fuel mods and something to tune with.

But again...if your within 2hours, maybe I'll come over and spank him for you. and I'll have my friend Matt SBDSM smoke him too.

 

[miguels3000]

I live in los angeles, we usually go to lacr in palmdale. If thats not to far we can all meet there, make it a dsm meet at the track. that be cool.

nah he doesnt have drag radials, at least not yet, he was saying yesterday he needed to get some tires before raining season.
hey well I did the fuel pump re-wire last night, a total cost of 30 dollars, including everything. and if i may add WOW, I should have done it along time ago, what a difference. , almost like when i didnt have a cat on my car.

Im trying to pass smog but something is wrong where the computer is not setting. check out my other post if you can help me.

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=82500

Im still going to try to go to the track this week, and like i said ill post the time slip,
thanks again

 

[skier_du]

do you have drag radials? or can you borrow some to race this guy? wit hthat you should be able to hook up better and greatly improve your chances of winning. I don't know how many races I've seen or been in wher eI see the slower car win because they got the better launch.

 

[13secGST]

Yeh...we'll go there sometime. Show that guy a thing or two. haha

And about passing smog...I hear a lot of people use xylene (paint thiner 117 octane) and add like 1 gallon to 5 gallons of gas to pass smog...seems to clean everything up nicely. But this isn't personal experience.

 

[miguels3000]

Damn it guys, very dissapointing, I went to the track last last friday and man do i need more practice, I ran a 14.5, ill post up exactly what the slip said in 15 min. but i had dropped my fronts to 20 psi and raised the rears to 50, then we added 114 racing gas my buddy gave me. on the way there we ran out of gas and had to stop buy a gas station like 2 miles away to buy 1 gallon then again barely made it there, we put in a little more than a gallon of the racing gas, well it brought it from below empty to in beetween the 1/4 and empty.

I wasnt used to the tires grabbing with the 22 psi in the front and the car on all 4 runs, bogged in first, once i launched i tought it was going to slip so i let off the gas a little but then i caught myself having to rev the engine back up, that sucked, Im occasionally dropping the front tires to 22 on the streets so i can practice just the take of. but damn it felt good showing of the lsd quiafe, the burn out was amazing.....

 

[miguels3000]

here we go

1st run / 2nd run / 3rd run / 4th run

I1= 2.806 / 2.402 / 2.498 / 2.486
I2= 6.715 / blanck / blanck / blanck
I3= 9.916 / 9.567 / 9.589 / 9.549

e.t.= 14.914 / 14.552 / 14.548 / 14.526
mph= 98.560 / 99.003 / 98.908 / 99.292

 

[miguels3000]

Okay im open to all critisism, I know im not even using my lsd to its fulest potentialm 16g turbo what, fmic etc etc. remeber this was at palmdale high altittude they have a formula to calculate actual time, but i did not use it. every run was with the car kinda bogging in first.

thanks all for youre critizism.

 

[miguels3000]

I started a new thread, if you want to leave any coments, THANKS.

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=92195

 

[1fast97gsx]

damn man you got quite a few mods. Basically what I had last summer only I didn't have the intercooler, but I did have awd. My best pass was a 12.8 @ 104 due to knock at the top of 3rd ( damn intercooler ) ... I know you won't launch as hard as I did but I ran at 17 - 18 psi so with 20 psi, some tuning and a good launch you should hit low 13s for sure. My friends WS6 convertable ( 99 ) ran a 13.1 with mufflers and K&N. Those cars are fast, especially up top. His was also auto, but 1/4 mile wasn't enough for him to catch me

 

[mach1one]

I love my talon, but the ls1 has awesome power for stock My fiance got one a few months ago. 99 T/A auto, and w/ no mods it went [email protected].

 

[Flybiyou]

I raced one on the street in a 1/4 mile. I have filter--mbc--gutted cat--turbo-x bov-- 3in muffler only and a 40 shot. He beat me by 2 to 2 1/2 cars I missed 2nd to 3rd though I was still getting use to the bottle(2nd gear rpms shoot up real quick on a t25 and a shot. With your mods with some good tunning and launch you should be able to stay with him or beat him by maybe a few tenths.