gst vs. stang gt

[m_eclipse_96]

hey whats up guys? ok heres the deal one of my budie just got a new car, its a 2000 mustang gt i think its rated at 260 hp and runs 14's in the 1/4 stock, and my car is a gst with turbo xs bov and filter and i just want to know what u guys think what would happin if we raced and we will end up racing soon but just want to know what u guys think will happin, and also what times do u think i can expect in the 1/4 in my gst

 

[Antilles]

you will lose, especially bad from a stop. the bov does nothing and the filter aint much.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

you will actually win...I just ate a gt with only free mods and an air filter. he even had full exhaust, and he wasnt a slouch in driving either. Dont expect to beat the sh## out of him but if you can drive you will walk him.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention..I am only running 9 psi at wot.

 

[abrxy3]

um if you beat a mustang GT it was most likely an older model with the 225 hp. my friend with a bone stock 00 GT mustang ran a 14.0 in san antonio (not sure about elevation). you will get beaten stop and roll, especially if you dont even have a boost controller. stock GSTs are supposed to run low 15s depending on driver. a whole second is a lotta car lengths

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

I don't know why everyone thinks that the eclipse is a low 15 second car. It is a mid to high 14 second car stock, depending on your driving skill... It's only 15 seconds if you can't drive or you have an engine problem. And yes I have beat them from a stand still and on the highway and it was a 2002 mustang GT. I hate how everyone downs the eclipse and says it can't do what it really can do stock.

 

[m_eclipse_96]

ok guys, u guys were right, i got stomped bad, we went from a stop and and ran a 1/4 that we had marked, and let me tell ya, i thought i would at least get him off the line but that never happin, over all he beat me by about 3 cars, but its ok, its just for fun

thanks for your posts and opinions

and just to let u guys know my car is an automatic

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

How was your launch? Did you spin anything?

 

[m_eclipse_96]

my launch was ok, i probobly could of had a better reaction time but i barly spun my tires at all, i cought traction right away and he had me the whole time

 

[Antilles]

DSMeclipse4g63:

Have you ever been to the track? do you base your "track times" on cars you beat on the street?

a stock DSM, especially a FWD one, will not run 14's stock. especially mid 14's. this is based on trap speed. its nearly impossible to run a mid 14 with a stock FWD DSM at the trap speeds they run. a 14.9 is POSSIBLE with a great driver, perfect launch, and beating the shit out of the transmission. otherwise, forget it.

most people that go to the track for the first time are in for a rude awakening as far as thier car's abilities and thier personal driving abilities go. if you have never actually run at a 1/4 track I have a hard time believing what you are telling me.

 

[m_eclipse_96]

wow

 

[GSX2HOT4U]

Originally posted by Antilles
DSMeclipse4g63:

Have you ever been to the track? do you base your "track times" on cars you beat on the street?

a stock DSM, especially a FWD one, will not run 14's stock. especially mid 14's. this is based on trap speed. its nearly impossible to run a mid 14 with a stock FWD DSM at the trap speeds they run. a 14.9 is POSSIBLE with a great driver, perfect launch, and beating the shit out of the transmission. otherwise, forget it.

most people that go to the track for the first time are in for a rude awakening as far as thier car's abilities and thier personal driving abilities go. if you have never actually run at a 1/4 track I have a hard time believing what you are telling me.

he is soo right, i went to the track when i first got my gsx and had only a centerforce dual friction clutch and tubro xs bov, and ran 15.4, i ranm it almost to redline everyitme... bad idea.. and then went about two weeks later and ran it knowing my car better and driving it better and never shifted aboe 6 grand and ran 15.0, i know thats still slow for my car and my mph was only 87, something might not be right wit my car but driving your cara nd knowin your car makes a world of difference

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

ok...you will believe what you will and I will believe what I will.
also he had an auto....so he did very well but if he had a manual he would have walked him not beat the sh## out of him.

 

[abrxy3]

Originally posted by DSMeclipse4G63
ok...you will believe what you will and I will believe what I will.
also he had an auto....so he did very well but if he had a manual he would have walked him not beat the sh## out of him.

this isnt as issue of believing anything, its straight facts. antilles is right, even high 14s, as in 14.9 is not easy to get on a stock fwd DSM. on average the people on this forum have run low 15s, a few high 14s and a few mid 15s. mid 14s is gonna be a longshot. even with a mbc set at 15 with eveyrthing else stock hitting mid 14s is hard. magazine times are bullsh*t as well. road and track listed the 2002 GT mustang at running a 14.7. this is complete crap as i have witness several low 14 runs on stock mustang GTs as well as a few high 13 runs. road and track also listed the 2002 WRX as running a 14.4. you said that a stock GST can run mid 14s...are you saying a stock GST can run with a stock WRX? i dont think so. bench times and actual 1/4 times are very different.

 

[iroibeirt]

ive raced a GT on the roll, if you see my list of mods, you can see that i've spent a decent amount of money, freed up a couple psi through the intercooler and upper pipe, i barely beat a GT on the ROLL

so, have fun off the start -_-, in my opinion you will lose, but who knows

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

ok so your saying that mustang gts run better than the mags say...but dsm run worse?....

oh yeah I forgot to say...if dsm's were suppsoed to run low to mid 15s they why dont people just save thier money and buy a honda cause thats what gsr run. I just dont see them as being 15 sec cars...if they were then I wouldnt have bought a dsm until I had enough money to make it faster.

 

[GSX2HOT4U]

the reason they don't buy hondas is cause if u put 1000 dollars in a honda, u only gain about .5 at the track, on the other hand you spen that much on dsm and i guarentee u u will gain pretty damn clost to 2 seconds in the 1/4, if you can drive u're shit, and if you pick u're mods correctly!! the only hondas i like are supercharged si's thats it!!!

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

I just got rid of a honda civic...and it was a 16 sec car....now I know my dsm isnt only a half a sec faster than my sohc civic.

 

[Antilles]

good basis for deciding how fast your car is....comparing the bench racing numbers of a honda civic to the butt dyno on your DSM to come up with a quarter mile ET. brilliant. why didnt i think of that?

 

[iroibeirt]

for our FWD cars, traction and driving skills are the most important factors when racing, just make sure you hvae some fat sticky tires strapped when you're racing

 

[m_eclipse_96]

wow, your guys a great help, even tho i lost the race i have some things to think about b4 my next race

 

[dsm_dan]

Originally posted by abrxy3


this isnt as issue of believing anything, its straight facts. antilles is right, even high 14s, as in 14.9 is not easy to get on a stock fwd DSM. on average the people on this forum have run low 15s, a few high 14s and a few mid 15s. mid 14s is gonna be a longshot.

I dont know what kinda drivers you are... but you should take some lessons maybe. On a few trips to Eggharbor for some races, my friend Dante(1gTurd on here) has a 90 Laser RS-T 5spd he had the modified airbox, 13psi, and THAT IS IT. Now my other buddy at the time had his 88(i think) Mustang LX 5.0 automatic. This Mustang ran 14.1-14.3 several time slips to prove that. The Laser handed the Stang his ass 8 times out of 10. Not BADLY but atleast 2-4 cars each time. When he did lose he was at 19psi(shitty Dejon MBC) and it was still only by a car or two..

Now think this is BS, raise the BS flag all you want. I am shitting you not.

Later,
[Edit->] I forgot to mention the Mustang wasnt Stock... I dont knowm uch about mustang performance so I cant tell you what it had done to it. Ask 1gTurd if you really care.

And yes I do know they get more traction at the track... The Laser had more traction issues then the stang, so he(the LayZur) would get even MORE traction at the track.

 

[abrxy3]

ok...so yer saying a 13 psi fwd turbo runs low 14s/high 13s? i know that the 14b is better than the t25 but that is something ill hafta see to believe. im doubtful that a stock dsm will be able to hang with a stock wrx in the 1/4

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

I have raced a wrx...yeah he pulled me a bit, but he didnt beat me by more than his nose. Yes if you can drive 14s are possible.

 

[nutshot]

Best thread EVAR!!!1

 

[iroibeirt]

i've beaten a stock WRX off the line, so, say what you want, but i have no boost controller, stock t25, and bald ass tires, i still beat him by the time i reached high 3rd gear,

but since i have fmic and piping i would have to say i think ive freed up a couple psi,