Looking for a good mid 13s setup

[93TSI_DSM]

Ok First ill let you know that i drive a 1993 Eagle Talon TSi FWD Turbo, I havent done much to it in the past 6months of my ownership. Ive Replaced the Clutch with an ACT 2600 Clutch Kit(without Flywheel), 2g MAF, Type H RFL BOV, New Alternator, New Passenger side Axle, and added a boost gauge/boost controller. Im looking for mid 13s setup for the track. Ive ran at the track to prior times, a 17.3 (first run, bogged out) and a 15.8 (second run, wheel hop like crazy) Im thinking that ima need the following mods to get into the mid 13s.....

8.5Lb. Flywheel, Walbro 255hp Fuel pump, 550 or 650 injectors, motor mounts, Big FMIC, Drag Slicks/Radials, HKS 272/264s(i think those are the correct numbers), Some kind of suspension system, SAFC 2/DSMLink, 94 Octane Pump gas, Hard Piping, and a 3in turboback exaust. LMK what you think. Ohh and BTW this is on a 7 Bolt Motor, im not scared of Crankwalk ### my motor has 150,xxx miles on it and i dout ill be pushing over 350hp so my crank shouldnt be walking if i keep the oil changes frequent(1500-2000miles if that). So yea lmk if you think im on the right track, or that im crazy.

 

[Gregory]

You will need DSMLink (like you stated) or a logger and preferably a wideband. You are also missing a couple other things from your list like a fuel pressure regulator.

The slicks will help you A LOT.

Besides that, all those mods come down to how much boost you can support. So, if you've got the right setup and knock doesn't seem to be occurring, keep cranking it up until it does and then back it off some.

In general with that setup and slicks, I'd say yes, 13's are attainable.

Good luck.

 

[viperlp01]

You will not walk. Why does everyone say this. It rarely happens.

You should get a 16g at least, 190 fuel pump will work and you don't have to get a afpr, atleast 550s. Im going with 680s for my set up, FMIC would help, Yes DSMLink would make this alot easier. V3 is on it way into the market so that is what im getting when it comes out, Full exhaust would help.

Doing free mods here and there will help as well. Like porting your manifold and your o2 housing help alot. If you do a good port job you will notice significant gains. Going thorugh everything and finding dumb vac/boost leaks will help you so much. Read alot on tuning and try to learn what A/F's you want and boost levels.

 

[Gamble97]

Mid 13s is a cake walk.
Stick with the stock 14b turbo. Just get a 7cm housing and one with a 34mm flapper will help if you want.
Boost controller
Boost gauge
Walbro 190 fuel pump
Get rid of the POS bov you have and get something good like a stock crushed 1g bov, or tial, or greddy type s.
Port the 2g manifold.
Get a better o2 housing, ported 2g one or evo3 one.
Turbo back exhaust
550 injectors should do it, but I would personally go 650.
Safc1 or 2
Hard pipes
Stock sidemount will be fine, or Supra sidemount, or 2g sidmount.
2g Throttle body elbow
Wideband.
And about 18psi should do it.

 

[viperlp01]

2g side mount is smaller than a 1g...

 

[Gamble97]

Hmm, I thought the 2g side mount cools better than the 1g one.

 

[viperlp01]

Well i know that the 1g is alot bigger and i thought when i was reading the vfaq on them they said the side mount was more effiecent. Either way i would not go with a side mount unless it was a supra smic. +1 on the looks of a front mount as well.

 

[habitatguy187]

You could run 13s with nothing but a 3in turbo back and more boost. I've heard of people turning up on the boost to 15psi on stock cars and running high 13s. You won't need slicks or cams . And the 14b is great if all you want is 13s. Def. do the motor mounts though as it will help with wheel hop.

 

[viperlp01]

Ya but mid 13s is alittle harder. These mods we tell you will make your job easier. ya you can take your car now with a sick driver and he might beable to get it into the 13s. But we all aren't sick.

 

[habitatguy187]

To OP, you said you have a 2g maf? With no safc or dsmlink? You either need to get something to adjust your fuel or buy some 550s cause your car's probably running like crap.

 

[Gamble97]

You could run 13s with nothing but a 3in turbo back and more boost. I've heard of people turning up on the boost to 15psi on stock cars and running high 13s. You won't need slicks or cams . And the 14b is great if all you want is 13s. Def. do the motor mounts though as it will help with wheel hop.

I'm sure running 13s on stock injectors would put you up in the 90% IDC area which is not good.

 

[habitatguy187]

I'm sure running 13s on stock injectors would put you up in the 90% IDC area which is not good.

Vfaq.com says you can run 450s at 18psi on a 14b with nothing but a fuel pump upgrade and 93 octane.

 

[93TSI_DSM]

To OP, you said you have a 2g maf? With no safc or dsmlink? You either need to get something to adjust your fuel or buy some 550s cause your car's probably running like crap.

Ya i got the 2g Maf on the car right now runs the same if you ask me from the 1g, but it ###### does need to be tuned or something.

 

[v8killer]

K&n air filter, cat delete,190 fp, 16-18 psi, slicks= 13's maybe 12's with good driving !

 

[Phil1320]

Just for comparisons' sake:

With K&N, MAF mods, Boost at 17psi, hollow cat running through all stock exhaust including muffler, no other mods, my '90 Laser RS ran 14.00@102 with a 2.37 60' on run of the mill street tires.

You should be able to run mid 13's with minimal mods and some seat time.

Good luck!

Phil

 

[Dserge]

Getting a 1g into the 13s is fairly easy assuming the car is running 100 % when you start modding.
I think I could crack off a 13 in my car, it pulls like a mofo. Though I have never had my car to any sort of track and we all know how bench racing goes.

 

[93TSI_DSM]

I forgot to say that i plan on gettin a Ported Evo 3 Turbo manifold with the big evo 3 16g Turbo, and right now ive got the boost up to 14psi. Also ive got o2 Housing with External Dump, and 2.5" Turbo Back exaust, no cat, 3" Res. , and a Muffler. Also i want side exit 3in turbo back, i should be able to shoot flames right?

 

[FonZ454]

My old car went 13.6 @ 94mph with a k and n filter, boost at 15psi dropping to 13, a dejon tool UICP and a ported 2g manifold and o2 housing. That's it.

Put a turboback on it and a little more boost and a fuel pump, it would of been lower 13's for sure.

I miss those days.

 

[CJTurbo]

Invest in suspension, especially if you have wheel hop. I have the front sway bar from suspension techniques, it helped alot. With FWD you need to cut a good light and your 60 foot will tell you alot. A 16G with 550 injectors and AFC, high flow pump, exhaust open air intake, MBC, you should be fine.
Good luck

 

[Lonnie gandee]

A 16g would be real helpful, but not necessary...


550/650 injectors
pump
MAf-t
A cheap front mount...
boost controller
3" exhaust
Good tires.


13's all day

 

[Gamble97]

A 16g would be real helpful, but not necessary...
MAf-t
A cheap front mount...
13's all day

These are sooo not needed.

 

[moparismylife]

Again for some comparisons.

k n N, Full exhuast at 19lbs 13.7 3rd pass ever in my life in my laser. But then again some say my car is a freak of nature. My brother did a 13.4 at 19lbs w/ no effort at all. Heres what Ive found out. Get her running at 100% and learn what your car likes. I had the stock clutch when I did my 13.7 and I let the clutch go and mashed on it just like my bro did. (clutch was going anyways). Then when I put my act 2600. It didnt like that I had to ease into it and when I started to spool, I punched it and now I hit on average w/ the same mods 13.3. Then a best of 13.1 with my weight reduct. Cars are all different. Main thing LEARN WHAT YOUR CAR LIKES @1OO%. These were done on awesome weather in the mid 70's.

Cory

 

[Lonnie gandee]

We are still talking about a fwd right.... This isnt a ,,, How big is your dick thread....




Sure, someone can get lucky and bust some 13's , but for the majority, they are gonna need a few more parts....


I'm running 12.30's with my 14b... On a sidemount..... DO you see me swinging my dick....

 

[->PrOjEcTGS<-]

DO you see me swinging my dick....

You just did...

I'm running 12.30's with my 14b... On a sidemount.....

 

[dsm-onster]

The 14b is plenty.

Fuel upgrades are always good. More boost makes up for a lack of seat time.

A 14b with an ebay fmic and 550s with an safc/2gmaf with a fuel pump upgrade should be all you need. You really, really, really need to focus on getting a sub 2.2 60ft. I've noticed that this makes a huge difference on final ET and this is what hinders the FWD the most. A poor et comes from a lack of traction, getting antsi, and flooring it. Proper throttle control comes from seat time.

If you need more turbo (because you just can't get the 60ft down pat and need to catch up), then you can just swap in a 7cm^2 turbine housing from a 16g turbo. This really opens up the 14b up top at 18+ psi. It will be a different animal.