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Set a new personal best on the 14b

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Caithness

15+ Year Contributor
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Nov 2, 2003
Tampa, Florida
It was a frustrating night with a lot of breakage at Bradenton Motorsports Park, including one engine blow/wall tap that shut the track down for an hour and a half. I only managed to get two runs in, but on the second run I set a new personal best of [email protected] on the 14b.

I got there late because prepping for the track took longer than I thought it would. After filling up with 110, lowering tire pressure, taking out the passenger headlight, leaning out AFR and raising boost I got in line for my first run. With just a few cars left before it was my turn to run the aforementioned crash shut the track down from 8:00 until almost 9:30. I had set up a race with the guy behind me in an FP3052 95 GST, but when traffic started moving and I got up there the track officials waved me in with Joe in Project Goodwill. I promptly waited too long and blew my r/t, and released the clutch too quickly and blew my launch- not that it mattered running against that beast of a car.

After getting a good view of what a low 10 second car looks like as it puts 5 buslengths on you, I got back in line and added a few degrees of timing in for a peak of 23 degrees. I lined up against some old Saturn but as we were pulling up to the line, a 2g GST snapped an axle on the line. Fortunately cleanup for this breakage only took a few minutes. The Saturn rushed right to the second staging light before I could even get through the cones, no courtesy staging here. I prestaged, bumped the stutter, bumped the clutch out to stage, and then went WOT on the 5k rpm stutter. And stayed that way as I waited, and waited, and waited for the tree to flash down. For some reason the guy running the tree decided to make me sit on my 2 step for a good 15 seconds before he decided to press the button to start the race :rolleyes: . When the tree finally flashed down I came out of the hole hard, slipping the clutch out properly, and as I banged it into second I knew the run was made. Pulling up to the timeslip shed with the Saturn presumably somewhere past the 1/8th mile marker I was elated to see a new personal best by almost four tenths. It really made all of the frustration of the night just fade away.

In the second run I determined that cranking the boost controller down had only resulted in 21 psi boost, so my friend Kris cranked it down until it couldn't go down any farther and I added in timing to a peak of 26 degrees. I was ready to go better my time but yet another car broke at the top end of the track and the event was over early. I fully intend to go back to the track in three weeks and try for an even better time on the 14b before switching to an Evo 16g. I'm going to try to get a drag bucket to drop another 30 pounds to go along with open wastegate and a higher 2-step rpm. In the mean time, I should have video of my two runs up sometime tomorrow.
 
Good job! I wouldn't recommend staying on the 2-step for that long...maybe the guy controlling the tree wanted you to break at the line. Good job nonetheless and good luck on your next runs.
 
Thanks. Yeah, after the first three or four seconds I wanted to let off, but I felt that as soon as I did the guy was going to press the button and I wouldn't have time to build boost back up before the green. I could have just given the r/t to the Saturn but I really had no intention of losing to that thing. I had no idea he was going to make it go on for 15 seconds. Maybe he was friends with the guy in the Saturn? LOL
 
Congrats on the 12.3 pass! The 12 second 14b club has grown dramatically. I've owned my DSM for more than a decade now.....and nothing impresses me as much these cars.

Good luck!

Phil Beers
 
Congrats on the 12.3 pass! The 12 second 14b club has grown dramatically. I've owned my DSM for more than a decade now.....and nothing impresses me as much these cars.

Good luck!

Phil Beers

Thanks. It means a lot coming from one of the pioneers of going fast on the 14b.



It was just posted on the local .org that the headwind was 28 mph, directly parallel to the track. I had no idea it was that stiff; it would help explain why my MPH wasn't any higher than on my previous best 12.75. I'm now eagerly anticipating the 22nd. I'm convinced she has more in her.

Also, hopefully my friend who took the vids should be able to upload them in the next day or two. I'll post links when I get them.
 
You guys with the 14B's AMAZE me!

Thats an awesome time man. You know how many mustangs you must have just pissed off... ROFL "You know... Stock turbo and some mods..." hahaha!

Great Job Man!!! 11s or BREAK! You can do it.

Jake
 
Nice job Jordan. There is more there. We know that. I wish I had more Time when I'm at the track to look at your setup more and offer advice. I'll get a chance.
 
Thanks. It means a lot coming from one of the pioneers of going fast on the 14b.



It was just posted on the local .org that the headwind was 28 mph, directly parallel to the track. I had no idea it was that stiff; it would help explain why my MPH wasn't any higher than on my previous best 12.75. I'm now eagerly anticipating the 22nd. I'm convinced she has more in her.

Also, hopefully my friend who took the vids should be able to upload them in the next day or two. I'll post links when I get them.

No sweat.......running sub 12.5 passes is moving for anyone on a 14b:thumb: Under this mark is where you really have to think about how to go quicker. Good luck with it!


Phil
 
Nice job. There are times I still miss my stock appearing setup, definitely the best bang for the buck I've ever experienced with a DSM. From you mod list, I'd say you definitely have more in it considering the weight of the car and the fact that you're running a FMIC. I'm assuming you have stock cams and a 6cm housing? I always thought the 272s hurt me down low more than they helped up top, but at the RPM range you're in on the track that's probably irrelevant. Have you considered throwing a set of FP1/264s in there?

Phil, your setup is nearly identical to mine but you're much lighter. Again, I'm guessing you're still on stock cams. This further backs up the theory that even on the 14b they'd help out. How much timing are you seeing? Do you have heat soak/knock issues in the higher gears?
 
Cams DO help, even on a 14b. You will see a lower boost level on your gauge, but that doesn't mean much. I went from 11.8 to 11.5 by adding Crower 413s to my 14b setup. Then, when I figured out how to get the boost back up, I got down to 11.2 on that setup.
 
Drag bucket should be installed tomorrow afternoon. The seat only cost me 45 bucks at the local speed shop but I've spent almost that much in 1" box steel and fasteners to install it LOL.

I'm still on stock cams and a 6cm housing (heavily ported but there's no porting a scroll). I'm sure cams would help- in compressor map terms the cams should push you down to a lower max pressure ratio but at the same time over to the right into higher lb/min flow capability. I shift at around 6200 so FP1s would probably complement the car perfectly, but I'm a poor college student so there's not going to be a cam upgrade on this turbo. I'm going to pick up my friend Kris's 101200s when he upgrades, probably next fall. I'll long since have switched to his Evo 16g.

As for running 11's on the 14b, I'll cross that bridge when I get there. I know I've got maybe two tenths just in the wind, the extra boost, and the extra timing, but anything more will be 60', driving, and a bit of good fortune.
 
Nice to see you still have that Beautiful Car Phil.


I appreciate it. Where and when did you see it last? I should get some pics up here soon, but, believe it or not, I am not so computer savvy with all that posting of pics and the like. I really suck at computer knowledge. :notgood:


Phil1320
 
Nice job. There are times I still miss my stock appearing setup, definitely the best bang for the buck I've ever experienced with a DSM. From you mod list, I'd say you definitely have more in it considering the weight of the car and the fact that you're running a FMIC. I'm assuming you have stock cams and a 6cm housing? I always thought the 272s hurt me down low more than they helped up top, but at the RPM range you're in on the track that's probably irrelevant. Have you considered throwing a set of FP1/264s in there?

Phil, your setup is nearly identical to mine but you're much lighter. Again, I'm guessing you're still on stock cams. This further backs up the theory that even on the 14b they'd help out. How much timing are you seeing? Do you have heat soak/knock issues in the higher gears?

and untouched motor. My coolant and oil lines for the turbo have never been disconnected! I just installed an EVO FMIC but have not run on it yet. All my times are on SMIC. Heat soak? YES. Last dyno I remember checking outside temp on my SMIC and it was at ambient 70 degrees, half way through the dyno pull it was up over 215 degrees, not to mention I can actually feel the cars power taper at the top of third gear and through 4th, so the FMIC should at least let me retain the power I do make. I think I lose about 60 wheel HP from the first 1/8 to the second 1/8....about 240 at the wheels. Believe it or not, I have never datalogged a run, ever. I can tell you that I generally set base timing at 10 ATDC...any more and power is lost. As of late I have only been dynoing on the Dynapacks, not on rollers....last time was 304HP@5950rpm and 308TQ@3450rpm. The only time I was on the jets was years ago at Altered Atmosphere when the car had no fuel control, stock I/C, piping MAF, basically porting of manifold and turbine, 2.5"DP, 3"cat-back, boost at 21psi, and a fuel pump and made 266AWHP and 282TQ with A/F in the 10.8 area:D and I had no AFC to pull fuel! They were as bent as I was!! Ha! You guys are gonna make me do cams!!! Cut it out!

Phil1320
 
All my times are on SMIC. Heat soak? YES. Last dyno I remember checking outside temp on my SMIC and it was at ambient 70 degrees, half way through the dyno pull it was up over 215 degrees, not to mention I can actually feel the cars power taper at the top of third gear and through 4th, so the FMIC should at least let me retain the power I do make.

I ran 12.4 @ 109.7 on the stock SMIC, then switched to the Dejon big-ass SMIC and ran the 12.1 @ 112.1. My charge temps dropped from 220F to 160F as well. Knock was still present in 3rd and 4th, but it went from like 17 counts to like 5-6. HUGE top end gain. You should definitely pick up some MPH with a FMIC.
 
I ran 12.4 @ 109.7 on the stock SMIC, then switched to the Dejon big-ass SMIC and ran the 12.1 @ 112.1. My charge temps dropped from 220F to 160F as well. Knock was still present in 3rd and 4th, but it went from like 17 counts to like 5-6. HUGE top end gain. You should definitely pick up some MPH with a FMIC.

Thats a pretty big gain....I went from stock to stock with 2.25" inlet/outlet and piping and it made only a marginal difference, I guess your larger core is the key.......I would hope a gain is in order!!!!!! Thanks for the info!!!



Phil1320
 
Thats a pretty big gain....I went from stock to stock with 2.25" inlet/outlet and piping and it made only a marginal difference, I guess your larger core is the key.......I would hope a gain is in order!!!!!! Thanks for the info!!!



Phil1320

I didn't mention that my pre-IC charge temps were as high as 390F. With cams and the FMIC you should be able to give Leon's AWD no-nitrous record a run for the money. :rocks:

I loved the 14b setup but it has it's limits with a mostly full weight car. It's up to you lighter guys to put more 14b setups in the 11s :thumb:
 
I didn't mention that my pre-IC charge temps were as high as 390F. With cams and the FMIC you should be able to give Leon's AWD no-nitrous record a run for the money. :rocks:

I loved the 14b setup but it has it's limits with a mostly full weight car. It's up to you lighter guys to put more 14b setups in the 11s :thumb:


I will look into the cams......but, most likely the first trip to the track will be without them. I really didn't want to touch anything internally. I agree the limits are there with the 14b when you run full weight, but when you are light, wow the cars really boogie, but, the power band is still the same. I had an FP Green, sold it. Had a Big 16g, sold it. I guess that tells me I'm not done on the 14b yet. Next turbo will be EVO 3 16g. After that, I may just pull the 20g off my friends 2g that I store for when he's out of the country and give that a shot.

Anyway....everyone vote please--should I do cams??????

And if so, which ones?


Phil1320
 
Red Lasers Rule. ;)

Red Talons Rule!!:D

Go figure, I had two '90 FWD Lasers......one was in very good condition.....sold em.

Guess that means I'm destined to run AWD.

Peace Joe:thumb:

Phil1320
 
I will look into the cams......but, most likely the first trip to the track will be without them. I really didn't want to touch anything internally. I agree the limits are there with the 14b when you run full weight, but when you are light, wow the cars really boogie, but, the power band is still the same. I had an FP Green, sold it. Had a Big 16g, sold it. I guess that tells me I'm not done on the 14b yet. Next turbo will be EVO 3 16g. After that, I may just pull the 20g off my friends 2g that I store for when he's out of the country and give that a shot.

Anyway....everyone vote please--should I do cams??????

And if so, which ones?


Phil1320


I vote for something like an FP1 or HKS 264 that'll work with the 14b's powerband. :D

I've been down the same road, had a 16g, Frank2, Green, then sold the car to buy a house. 2 years later, I was in the process of building a light '92 Laser to do a stock appearing setup. My goal was to take down Leon's record. Then fate stepped in and the guy who bought my Talon blew the engine so I bought it back and dropped a 6 bolt in it. I sold off the Laser and continued with my stock appearing plan, but as I said I reached the limit of what I could do with a 3100lb car. I even switched to a 20g in a TD05H compressor cover and gained 3mph in the 1/8th, but top end fell off a cliff because the IC heat soaked even faster. I can say from personal experience that the TD05H housing KILLS efficiency on a 20g. I decided to give up for now and I'm running an S256. There plenty of days where I wonder where I'd be if I'd kept the Laser though. Stick with it, you've got 11s in your future (both of you) :thumb:
 
Steve--I would probably go with the HKS 264, or maybe 1 and 1 at best. I do plan to run the car on the road course so I wouldn't want anything too crazy. But, I think I will hit the strip first with the upgrades that I have now over my last set-up and based on what happens there I may check into the cams, of course there's another $500-$600 into the mix again!

I hope to hit 11's this year for sure, and wherever I land will pretty much be it. I do not plan to bring the car to the strip ever again after 2007. SO, it's do or die this year!

Thanks for the help on the combo to run though, I appreciate it!

Phil1320
 
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