Ran at the local 1/4 track tonight...

[1glaserturbo]

Not to bad since last time, first run clocked off a 15.107 @ 90mph. That was with a measly 10lbs of boost!

Second run was a little better, gave it a rather rough tune on 15lbs of boost, 14.52 @ 95mph. Getting there. Studied the log a bit, gave it a finer tune and went 14.32 @ 97mph before the car started to overheat (stuck thermostat). Shut her down and went to watch a few races after that.

60's could be a little better, was looking at 1.9x on all three runs. Still getting used to the 6puck act2600 and launching it. Consistancy is the key though.

I had about 5-6 counts of knock the last run, then the air cooled off but I decided against blowing the car up and took her home for the night.

A couple more lbs of boost, maybe some race gas and a solid tune and I'd of had 13's for sure!

 

[screwdgie]

you should be able to run a 13 without race gas. When I first got my car, it only had a 3" catback, and the bcs mod done. And I pulled a 13.8 @97 with a 1.8 60' on 93 octane. That was only my second time ever launching the car too haha. By the way, does your car have all the mods that are listed in your profile?

 

[1glaserturbo]

you should be able to run a 13 without race gas. When I first got my car, it only had a 3" catback, and the bcs mod done. And I pulled a 13.8 @97 with a 1.8 60' on 93 octane. That was only my second time ever launching the car too haha. By the way, does your car have all the mods that are listed in your profile?

Yes, they are.

 

[tstkl]

please tell me you didn't rev your 14b up to 8k. Im sure you could pick up another second or so by NOT doing that. Its probably not as bad at lower boosts, but when you start getting into the higher stuff (like dave....), you want to shift at nothing higher than 6800.

 

[rjclagett]

Something definitely isn't right. That 14b must really be holding you back. I ran a 13.6 with my fwd, with a whole lot less done, and I was only pulling 2.3 60fts. I was on pump at 14psi. Good job on knocking off a second in a few runs though. Im sure you'll hit 13's soon.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I hope you don't have ALL those mods that are in your profile! Guys have been running in the 12's for under $300.. I went 12.90's in an awd 1g with race gas an unbolted exhaust and a boost controller. Was it your first time ever at the track?

 

[illeffekt vr-4]

i ran a 14.3@94mph with a 1.9x 60ft first time out with my 91 gsx. only mods were an act2600, k&n filter, press bent 2.5" turboback exhaust going into a 2" muffer (thats how i purchased the car) and a set of bald nitto tires. i had no clue on how to launch the car since i was a honda boy before i got the dsm. you should be able to run some better time with all the mods you have listed in your profile.

 

[1glaserturbo]

Unfortunately I ran 14.7 stock as a rock with a slipping clutch and bald tires. I really don't know what it is, I shift below 6000 because I can watch my boost drop and my launches are solid. 60' could use some help though (1.9x) and maybe a really solid tune. I just need to get things down, I'm sure the car has a solid mid 13's in it with everything I have. It really isn't ALL that much in the profile, it's still basically stock.

 

[olmytsi]

You have to shift at 7k for 2nd and 6700 ish for the rest. Shifting below 6k will get you the times you are running.

 

[1glaserturbo]

^^ Really? Even running only 15-16 lbs on that small ass 14b? I mean, I can up the boost a little bit and try to tune it as well as I can, but won't the boost drop off pretty quickly? I'll give it a shot when I can get the car running up to where it'd be safe for racing, so we'll see!

 

[SBstar]

Yes you want to shift at 6800, especially since you have those cams which will help out nicely almost all the way to redline (stock redline that is). Being a religious 14b user, I've done alot of research on them. You honestly can be in the 12's with what you have there no questions asked. What you need is some good tuning, racing fuel, about 18-21 psi, and just experience at the track. I would suggest trying a few different shifting methods first though, try shifting at the 7000 1st to 2nd, and then 6700, then try to up it a little and see what happens, whether you lost some time or gained. With those cams I'm betting even if boost starts to drop off you'll get some gains shifting towards 7k. Let us know how it goes if you manage to get out again

 

[JOEY A]

I think its that Prono red intrior thats holding him back

 

[1glaserturbo]

I have the stock cams in the car, maybe your looking off my wish list?

That red interior is the hawtness, and you all know it!!! Haters

 

[SBstar]

I have the stock cams in the car, maybe your looking off my wish list?

That red interior is the hawtness, and you all know it!!! Haters

OOPS either way though shift a little higher and see what happens.

 

[beatshack]

Unfortunately I ran 14.7 stock as a rock with a slipping clutch and bald tires. I really don't know what it is, I shift below 6000 because I can watch my boost drop and my launches are solid. 60' could use some help though (1.9x) and maybe a really solid tune. I just need to get things down, I'm sure the car has a solid mid 13's in it with everything I have. It really isn't ALL that much in the profile, it's still basically stock.

hmmm done a boost leak test lately? boost shouldn't drop too much from 6 to 7k rpm.

 

[SBstar]

hmmm done a boost leak test lately? boost shouldn't drop too much from 6 to 7k rpm.

On the 14b when you have it set at a high boost level it will begin dropping. But now that you mention it, it probably shouldn't drop if you only have it set at 15-16 psi. It gets out of its efficiency range I would say anywhere beyond 18 psi, then you'll start seeing it dropping down. Although I know Joe Bucci said he had his hold 25 psi at one point.

 

[NosLaser]

Just as a basic guide, this is how we got two similar cars to perform many moons ago.

My Laser, with 3" exhaust, 3" downpipe, fuel pump, K&N air filter, like 17 pounds of boost, and all the 'free' mods went 13.6 at 106. (FWD)

My buddy's '93 GSX with the same mods as above with the exception of a centerforce clutch went 12.80 at 104.59.

You can use that as a litmus test if you'd like for what a proper running car with a good driver should be capable of.

Regards,

 

[1glaserturbo]

Oh my god, I just realized how much I suck at this

 

[NosLaser]

Take care of the running hot part, and get your tune worked out. IMO, I think putting the injectors back to stock, taking off the AFC, and using a stock MAS would make the car run faster with the mods you have. Something is getting futzed up with the MAS and the AFC I can almost assure you. You are trying to do too much with too little with just the stock turbo.

Without exhaust, just a K&N air filter, the 'free' mods, spark plugs, 180 degree thermostat, and 15 pounds of boost, my Laser (fwd) went 14.1 at almost 100, and my friend's 93 GSX went 13.9 at 96mph. There is definately something going on with your tune. With the stock injectors, no AFC, and a stock MAS, your car running properly should be a 12.70's at like 106ish car no problem with your other mods. Not saying you suck at this at all, you just have some issues to iron out.

Regards,

 

[1glaserturbo]

Well, the whole overheating issue is finished with. Warped the old head so I replaced that, new cometic 3 layer head gasket and some new ARP head studs. Car sits pretty between 170-180 on a HOT day (160* thermostat with switch activated fans).

Those runs were done with a STAGE II TMO chip without injector compensation, now I upgraded to the stage III chip with 550 compensation and hacked maf compensation. I can definatly feel a difference at a measly 11 lbs, then also at 17lbs with a rough tune and 0 counts of knock. I'm sure if I can get maybe 1-2 more degrees of timing out of my pulls I'd be in the mid-low 13's where I stand.

You also got to put into consideration your cars are running basically at sea-level, which is why your times are just a tad bit quicker than most.

 

[NosLaser]

You also got to put into consideration your cars are running basically at sea-level, which is why your times are just a tad bit quicker than most.

This is very true. Good luck with your setup, and let us know how you do.

Regards,

 

[tstkl]

^^ Really? Even running only 15-16 lbs on that small ass 14b? I mean, I can up the boost a little bit and try to tune it as well as I can, but won't the boost drop off pretty quickly? I'll give it a shot when I can get the car running up to where it'd be safe for racing, so we'll see!

my 14b holds 24 psi to redline, this ain't no t-25, so you don't have to worry about the boost fading closer to the redline.

 

[tstkl]

Just as a basic guide, this is how we got two similar cars to perform many moons ago.

My Laser, with 3" exhaust, 3" downpipe, fuel pump, K&N air filter, like 17 pounds of boost, and all the 'free' mods went 13.6 at 106. (FWD)

My buddy's '93 GSX with the same mods as above with the exception of a centerforce clutch went 12.80 at 104.59.

You can use that as a litmus test if you'd like for what a proper running car with a good driver should be capable of.

Regards,

my friend with a 2g mas, 3 inch exhaust, fpr, fuel pump, some aftermarket clutch I forget (not act), a fidanza flywheel, and a burnt chip ran an 11.9.

now THAT, my friend, is GOOD driving.




he also might have been on a pretty decent weight loss program with a built bottom end.

 

[SBstar]

my 14b holds 24 psi to redline, this ain't no t-25, so you don't have to worry about the boost fading closer to the redline.

gotten out to a track yet? And that 11.9 your talking about was with a 14b you say too eh?

 

[1glaserturbo]

Gah, you guys make me feel slower and slower everytime!