First time down with 3065

[Nos~4G63]

I made two passes tonight. The first pass was a 13.6 at 97 missing 4th gear. The second was a 13.3 at 109 with a 2.3 60'. The car bogs bad out the hole but I am on the 3-bolt rear and stock center diff so I am afraid to launch it. Holding the rpm's at 5k and slipping the clutch resulted in this 2.3 60'. When I got back from the track I hooked up the clutch wire and want to go back to the track tomorrow with the stutterbox and no lift to shift to see if that helps with the lag. Leaving the track I beat an LS1 from a 3rd gear roll, the LS1 had just ran a couple 112mph passes. Im currently on 22psi and pump gas with a 20min tune on the car. I have the eprom for 850's, MAF translator set to stock and AFC set to -10 across the board on the high setting. The car gets 2-3 counts of knock in the upper rpm's and gets 18 degrees advance. The car weighs 2,950 and I am about 150lbs. Keep in mind I'm still on a stock downpipe and stock cams. RNR 3'' exhaust is in the mail and I am looking for a set of 272's.
ENGINE:
stock throttlebody
magnus intake
ported head with 5angle valve job
crower valvesprings
arp head studs
cometic gasket
wiseco 8.5-1 86mm pistons
eagle rods
align honed
bored 1mmover
arp rod bolts
arp main studs
FUEL:
walbro 255hp
aem rail
spoolin afpr
FIC 850cc injectors
ELECTRONICS/GAUGES:
SAFC
MAF translator
AEM wideband 02
Boost gauge
palmV w/ pocketlogger
Keydiver chip w/ stage3 mods
INDUCTION:
4'' K&N
Forced performance cast intake pipe
FP3065
28''x10''x3'' front mount w/ 2.5'' piping
EXHAUST:
ported 2g exhaust manifold
2.5'' 02housing
tial 40mm dumped to atm.
DRIVETRAIN:
ACT 2600 clutch kit
Fidanza flywheel

 

[saxrulez]

I made two passes tonight. The first pass was a 13.6 at 97 missing 4th gear. The second was a 13.3 at 109 with a 2.3 60'. The car bogs bad out the hole but I am on the 3-bolt rear and stock center diff so I am afraid to launch it. Holding the rpm's at 5k and slipping the clutch resulted in this 2.3 60'. When I got back from the track I hooked up the clutch wire and want to go back to the track tomorrow with the stutterbox and no lift to shift to see if that helps with the lag. Leaving the track I beat an LS1 from a 3rd gear roll, the LS1 had just ran a couple 112mph passes. Im currently on 22psi and pump gas with a 20min tune on the car. I have the eprom for 850's, MAF translator set to stock and AFC set to -10 across the board on the high setting. The car gets 2-3 counts of knock in the upper rpm's and gets 18 degrees advance. The car weighs 2,950 and I am about 150lbs. Keep in mind I'm still on a stock downpipe and stock cams. RNR 3'' exhaust is in the mail and I am looking for a set of 272's.
ENGINE:
stock throttlebody
magnus intake
ported head with 5angle valve job
crower valvesprings
arp head studs
cometic gasket
wiseco 8.5-1 86mm pistons
eagle rods
align honed
bored 1mmover
arp rod bolts
arp main studs
FUEL:
walbro 255hp
aem rail
spoolin afpr
FIC 850cc injectors
ELECTRONICS/GAUGES:
SAFC
MAF translator
AEM wideband 02
Boost gauge
palmV w/ pocketlogger
Keydiver chip w/ stage3 mods
INDUCTION:
4'' K&N
Forced performance cast intake pipe
FP3065
28''x10''x3'' front mount w/ 2.5'' piping
EXHAUST:
ported 2g exhaust manifold
2.5'' 02housing
tial 40mm dumped to atm.
DRIVETRAIN:
ACT 2600 clutch kit
Fidanza flywheel

I'm responding to your post respond to mine.

Quit babying that thing. Redline it and dump it I've got an LS1 in my post too But I'm far less modded!

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

you're probably used to launching smaller turbos.. it'll take some practice, you'll have to really slip the hell out of theclutch to get off the line good with a big turbo like that, i personally just prefer a stutterbox with a quick slip, i usually launch from 5000 or so. 109 is a pretty good trap for pump gas, good for a low 12, those cams should wake up your car pretty good too

 

[Nos~4G63]

I will definately slip the clutch but I dont want to break parts. How fast can I sixty foot with an anemic three bolt and stock center diff?
Im going back to the track tonight, they are open till 2am for Midnight Madness. My friend is bringing a trailer so Im not as afraid to break parts cause he will tow me back.
Anyone selling 272's

 

[Nos~4G63]

Went up to the track again tonight and I couldn't pass tech as I do not have a battery box. They let me run last night and now they tell me to get a box. I should be able to make it up to the track on wednesday. With the no lift to shift and stutterbox I think I will be able to get a mid 12 @ 112 or so. Maybe my exhaust will get here by then also.
I will keep everyone updated!

 

[nineD5_GS-T]

In the meantime, just take off the exhaust from the downpipe. Its loud as hell, but effective.

 

[Nos~4G63]

Im not on totally stock exhaust. I have the stock downpipe neck down and once it straightens out it is flared to 2.5''. This is the exhaust that was on the car when I bought it. I chopped off the rear section just before the rear-end, so there is no muffler and it's loud as hell now.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

I don't wanna rain on your parade, but those #'s downright suck. It's people like you that create the 4 wk backlog for an order for someone that legitamately could use on. The time you just posted, I did that with $750 in mods on my gsx, with no 2nd gear. And 109 is NOT a good trap speed for pump gas,especially at 22psi.

Quit sugarcoating shit and tell these people how it is. Get rid of the damn choking downpipe, tune the car the way it is supposed to be tuned, then post decent #'s. Until then, people read this, think "wow, that's all the 3065 can do?" and then move on to something like a Mutt turbo. I honestly think people should max out their current set up before moving to something bigger. But hey, what do I know?

 

[Nos~4G63]

I don't wanna rain on your parade, but those #'s downright suck. It's people like you that create the 4 wk backlog for an order for someone that legitamately could use on. The time you just posted, I did that with $750 in mods on my gsx, with no 2nd gear. And 109 is NOT a good trap speed for pump gas,especially at 22psi.
Quit sugarcoating shit and tell these people how it is. Get rid of the damn choking downpipe, tune the car the way it is supposed to be tuned, then post decent #'s. Until then, people read this, think "wow, that's all the 3065 can do?" and then move on to something like a Mutt turbo. I honestly think people should max out their current set up before moving to something bigger. But hey, what do I know?

I could not agree with you more. This car sucks ass. I have invested $12k since January and I'm running 13's. I bought this car in Jan for $3k and the head gasket went 3 days later. When I pulled the head I found a ####ed up piston. I have been nothing but screwed with these damn cars. I have another 90' AWD at the shop that I bought for $1,700 and it ran for 9 god damn hours and the motor went.
I would have "maxed out my current setup" but one thing lead to another while I was building the motor and next thing I know I'm building a 10second car. I definately built the car right I have all the big parts now I need a few minor things. Im not an idiot I know I need cams and the exhaust is in the mail. The car pulls like a beast from 5-6k rpm and then it falls off. The car does not make 20psi until 5k rpm. Im guessing it stops pulling hard at 6 because the stock cams. I contribute the lag to be what is making my car so slow. With the stutterbox and no lift to shift hooked up I bet I could run mid 12s no problem with mid teens in the mph. I have also found a problem with my fuel pressure regulator. It was vibrating and adding more fuel so I adjusted the locking bolt and set the fuel pressure back to 40. My settings on the trans are no zero'd out with +2 across the board on the AFC. I plan on doing some more tuning so when I go to the track wednesday I can get some decent times out of this shitbox. In the mean time if you want to see how capable this turbo is then check out evil eagles thread on it. I believe he went 12.0 @ 117mph his first time out, thats what this turbo is all about.

Im sorry to dissapoint you NOSLO2PT0 but I am truely doing my best. The car would have had cams if I wouldnt be some damn picky and insist on 272's. I think I will go grab a set of 264's when I get my pay check as my local performance shop has them in stock, I know I will be sacrificing big power but this backorder shit blows. I have waited alot longer than 4wks for many of my parts, I did not just buy a turbo I built a whole damn car. It took a month just to get valvesprings for damn sake.

This car WILL go 10's on this setup. I know I have to replace pretty much everything in the drivetrain but I have the motor, turbo, and enough nitrous capable of getting me there.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

I bought this car in Jan for $3k and the head gasket went 3 days later. When I pulled the head I found a ####ed up piston.

sounds like YOU did the damage. I highly doubt the car would have ran right, if it all, with a blown HG AND a bad piston (whatever that is). If you bought a car with a blown hg and bad piston for $3k, then shame on you.

I have been nothing but screwed with these damn cars. I have another 90' AWD at the shop that I bought for $1,700 and it ran for 9 god damn hours and the motor went.

Hmm... 2 cars and 2 motor within one week. Sounds like ya need some lessons in maintenance or tuning.

I would have "maxed out my current setup" but one thing lead to another while I was building the motor and next thing I know I'm building a 10second car. I definately built the car right I have all the big parts now I need a few minor things. Im not an idiot I know I need cams and the exhaust is in the mail.

Those things happen. Buying parts for later on down the road is perfectly acceptable. Maybe you should have cut your teeth on tuning with the stock turbo or whatever you had laying around. The 3065 is NOT a beginner turbo.

The car pulls like a beast from 5-6k rpm and then it falls off. The car does not make 20psi until 5k rpm.

Huge boost leak and/or very poor tuning.

Im guessing it stops pulling hard at 6 because the stock cams.

Spools at 5k, power stops at 6k? Mighty small power band there.

I contribute the lag to be what is making my car so slow.

Shouldn't be any lag when racing. By the time you shift and hit the next gear, you should already be spooling up the turbo. A 3065 on a stock 2.0L should hit full boost no later than 4k MAX.

With the stutterbox and no lift to shift hooked up I bet I could run mid 12s no problem with mid teens in the mph.

Powershifting will drop your ET, but not raise your mph.

I have also found a problem with my fuel pressure regulator. It was vibrating and adding more fuel so I adjusted the locking bolt and set the fuel pressure back to 40. My settings on the trans are no zero'd out with +2 across the board on the AFC.

Did you confirm these settings with a logger to see if they are good? Or you just pushing buttons and hoping you get close?

I plan on doing some more tuning so when I go to the track wednesday I can get some decent times out of this shitbox. In the mean time if you want to see how capable this turbo is then check out evil eagles thread on it. I believe he went 12.0 @ 117mph his first time out, thats what this turbo is all about.

Im sorry to dissapoint you NOSLO2PT0 but I am truely doing my best. The car would have had cams if I wouldnt be some damn picky and insist on 272's. I think I will go grab a set of 264's when I get my pay check as my local performance shop has them in stock, I know I will be sacrificing big power but this backorder shit blows. I have waited alot longer than 4wks for many of my parts, I did not just buy a turbo I built a whole damn car. It took a month just to get valvesprings for damn sake.

This car WILL go 10's on this setup. I know I have to replace pretty much everything in the drivetrain but I have the motor, turbo, and enough nitrous capable of getting me there.

Just wait for the 272's. they go on backorder every year about this time. HKS isn't smart enough to ship more this time of year. don't buy cams twice. IF you do, sell me the 264's. I could use them Put the right parts on, THEN go tune, test the car. In all fairness to everyone else, we don't want to see cars with $15k in parts, but running $500 times. It's not fair to the mfg's of the parts, or the vendors that sell them, but mostly to the DSM community as a whole. Think of it this way. Imagine some V8 guy coming across this thread. They read you spend $15k on parts, and run mid 13's. They laugh at us to no end. I don't mean to pick on you, but this is a very typical post. I talk to people all over the country via the internet. You have NO idea how many people bought those PTE SCM61's (same turbo as a 3065, for the most part (except for teh BB). These guys are buying 600hp turbos, but have NEVER ran quicker than a mid 13 sec. pass. WHY buy such a big turbo? You can't tune it, you can't support it. WHY buy it? Because it's the latest "MUST HAVE". Then everyone comes back and says "my car still runs 13's. WHY?" Then we gotta help diagnose why.

Sorry for the rant. Just after reading so many of these posts, had to say something. Good luck next time out at the track.

 

[oldmopwater]

There is nothing wrong with the car just tune I am have a 3 bolt rear and opposed to the 4 bolt on my 94 I dont see much of a difference in my 60 fts. Go 3in downpipe, I am running a set of 272s and they really help above 4500.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

There is nothing wrong with the car just tune I am have a 3 bolt rear and opposed to the 4 bolt on my 94 I dont see much of a difference in my 60 fts. Go 3in downpipe, I am running a set of 272s and they really help above 4500.

Make more than 350whp and watch your 3 bolt go bye-bye. OR, try to cut something better than a 1.75 60' and start looking for that 4 bolt. A 3 bolt HAS gone 11's, and prolly HAS cut some hi 1.6 60's, but i sure as shit wouldn't wouldn't try to do either with a big turbo on it. I snapped my 3 bolt at the shootout last year. Was barely running 12.20's, cutting 1.70 60's.

 

[Nos~4G63]

I can see your point NOSLO2PT0, but I am not some dumbass who bought a Big Turbo just to run 13's. My car will go 10's I jsut need some time to tune it and get the full potential.
If anything you should thank me for posting what my car ran the first time to show everyone that you cannot just buy parts and run 10's. I will continue to post here as I better my time to show the full potential of this setup, that way when the V8 guys read it they don't laugh at you.

 

[oldmopwater]

Im making 411 on pump with no problems,the 3 bolt s not holding me back I think after you tune your next mod should be a aluminum driveshaft

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Im making 411 on pump with no problems,the 3 bolt s not holding me back I think after you tune your next mod should be a aluminum driveshaft

Umm, the driveshaft doesn't break. The driver's side axle snaps off inside the pumpkin. dyno'ing 411whp to the front wheels doesn't mean shit. Go get a timeslip indicative of the hp. That's if you make it down the track without breaking the driv. side rear axle.

 

[oldmopwater]

Umm, the driveshaft doesn't break. The driver's side axle snaps off inside the pumpkin. dyno'ing 411whp to the front wheels doesn't mean shit. Go get a timeslip indicative of the hp. That's if you make it down the track without breaking the driv. side rear axle.

I was just suggestin getting a driveshaft as a good next mod because my car was a lot "quicker" after I bought mine Iwas not saying it would help your problem. I dyno'd at an awd dyno. Relax man wasnt trying to hurt your felings.

 

[pneumo]

Get the downpipe bolted on first, then worry about cams. Your powerband is falling off because the DP is choking off the flow, not because of the cams.

BTW I went 13.8 with just a boost controller, hacked aircan, and KN filter. total $90. You sure know how to take the long way around.

 

[Nos~4G63]

If I make it to the track before my echaust gets here than I am running open 02 housing.

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

I don't wanna rain on your parade, but those #'s downright suck. It's people like you that create the 4 wk backlog for an order for someone that legitamately could use on. The time you just posted, I did that with $750 in mods on my gsx, with no 2nd gear. And 109 is NOT a good trap speed for pump gas,especially at 22psi.

Quit sugarcoating shit and tell these people how it is. Get rid of the damn choking downpipe, tune the car the way it is supposed to be tuned, then post decent #'s. Until then, people read this, think "wow, that's all the 3065 can do?" and then move on to something like a Mutt turbo. I honestly think people should max out their current set up before moving to something bigger. But hey, what do I know?

.. a bit on the harsh side.. but true.. any turbo will suck without the proper support... stock cams and stock rev limiter are robbing you pretty good right now probably.. and you definitely need some tuning.. that size turbo should be trapping 115+ on pump at 22 lbs. i can honestly vouch for the claim that big turbos are not for beginners... my going from stockish sized turbos to a garret made me have to completely re-learn how to tune and how to drive. too many people these days aren't able to deal with that and end up with 13 second cars with 11 second turbo setups..

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

I was just suggestin getting a driveshaft as a good next mod because my car was a lot "quicker" after I bought mine Iwas not saying it would help your problem. I dyno'd at an awd dyno. Relax man wasnt trying to hurt your felings.

Well, if that is your timeslip, I doubt you are making 400+ awhp. Either that or I'm making 450+ on pump gas. Your 60's aren't putting any stress on the 3 bolt. As for the aluminum driveshaft suggestion, there's a lot better ways to spend the money on his car. Concerning your car and this mod, how was your car faster? I applaude your 411awhp, however that timeslip doesn't represent that hp figure, and your ET sure doesn't do much for your driving skills.

Just telling it how it is, that's all.


As for NOS~4G63, please fix the downpipe issue immediately. Yes, the stock cams are hurting you up top, as is the stock rev limiter, but not near as bad as that downpipe. Shifting at 7k is just fine. Hell, that's right about where I shift. With cams, you can make power a lot higher though. Give it time and tune the car right. It WILL go faster. I started out at 12.90's on pump gas with my car at the beginning of the last year. By the end of the summer, it's in the 11.50's. Didn't change any major parts, just fixing a LOT of boost leaks, and tuning the shit out of it. This game takes money and patience. All depends on which one runs out first

 

[Nos~4G63]

Even with my 20min tune the car is still going like 113mph traps as I did roll on that LS1 leaving the track. I really want to get my car to the track tomorrow because I know it is fast and capable of mid to low 12's. My car does not have the stock limiter, I was shifting in the high 7k's which was probally slowing me down because the cams.

I have tons of money in the car I just need a couple more passes to get a decent pass out of this thing.

 

[JohnTSI]

"Didn't change any major parts, just fixing a LOT of boost leaks, and tuning the shit out of it. This game takes money and patience. All depends on which one runs out first "

Boost leaks! Let me tell you something this 3065 will find them fast at 30PSI, all I have been doing the last 3 days is chasing them down fix one another one arises. Last night we finally got them straight and let me say 30psi on 110 is Magic

 

[Nos~4G63]

I have plugged the compressor inlet and tried pressurizing the system with a compresor but all the air was rushing out. I was unable to figure out where it was leaking at the time. Later when replacing my UICP I found that I had a broken gasket from the throttle body to throttlebody elbow. I did replace the gasket but I have yet to pressure test again. Maybe I will take care of that tonight when I get off work.

While tuning last night I found that I get 22psi at 4800rpm in 3rd gear, maybe I have some leaks.

 

[starion4g63]

nos4g63 dont listen to the haters. These are the same guys running 9sec turbos and stuck in the 11's. My first pass on the 3065 was only a 12.8 ok it was at 10.5 psi and only 12* of timming. My point is you have a good base to start with,you bought the good shit. This was a smart move. Remember you have to crawl before you run. Get all the bugs fixed before you run back to the track. Nothing like trying to put down numbers with a hurt car. The parts you have paid for are money well spent. When every thing is worked out you will be very happy with this turbo.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Nobody is hating. I'm just telling him like it is. As for you, why on earth would you only run 10.5psi on a 9 second turbo? You are in the exact same bunch you just condemned. 9 sec. turbo and running hi 12's. Whoopty do. When YOU get some decent #'s, then post.