Another dumb turbo discussion : 50trim VS td06h 20g

[Ricardo]

I am looking into building a 1g and I'm trying to decide between a TD06H 20g or a Full Garrett "ballistic" setup with a 50 trim.

My original intention was a TD06H 20g but since AGP and TRE are selling kits which are very affordable I am starting to become interested in a full garrett setup.

I am going in a budget setup and will only be tuning with an AFC, the fuel support will be a Walbro 255 and 660cc injectors. Fuel is 95 octane pump gas, always. (I'm in Brazil, if ure wondering why 95)

Now both turbos can accomplish well over 300 wheel horsepower which is wherebouts of what I am shooting for, but my doubt is which would be easier to run smoothly and tune with? I would like opinions and comments from people running a setup with these turbos, thanks!

 

[Kingdom]

If the fuel is 95RON, then thats kinda bad. thats exactly what we get here and I can barely run on 17psi. Might be able to do it with a stock turbo, but after market will be hard to tune on that gas. maybe 15psi.

anyways, were did you find a ballistic 50trim??

both turbos are good. I would say the 50trim gets my vote as it will support more power with almost the same drivability and a more reliable turbo.

 

[VRMAN]

SAFC, pump and injectors should suffice for moderate tuning. Both turbos are capable of 400+ WHP. Upgrading the IC is a MUST along with standard BPU mods.

Basically I think it would come down to price, as both function well and are similar in size if the 20G has a TD06 wheel not a TD05. 50trim is a very nice turbo and people have had alot of success with it.

Good luck in your decision, either will support your goals, just make sure you have the supporting mods for either.

 

[Ricardo]

I don't think the fuel is 95RON but I am calling the company to find out. Shell does sell lower octanage gas (91 octane) which should be ok in case the 95 octane one is this 95RON crap you talk about. I think it's not though...

I know the 50 trim will support more power, but I wonder if it's worth it because a more experienced DSMer told me to stick to mitsubishi turbos, he said both turbos work differently and the mitsu ones ran smoothier in a DSM.

I think for the price the 50 trim is a better deal because I can get a bad ass kit from AGP with a new manifold, external gate and everything else. I then remember that I won't be needing that much power since I am only shooting about 300whp for daily driving and whereabouts of 350whp for racing. (I plan on having two boost settings and two tuned settings saved for low/high boost) But hey if I can get something that is capable of putting even more power if I decide I want it that's always a plus!

I wonder which turbo will give me less headaches since it will be used in such an old car with an old engine that has never been worked on. I am not sure of the lag difference between the 50trim and the td06 20g as they both seem to be minimal. Also, the car is FWD, should I want the extra lag of the 50trim or ??

 

[bigjangin]

i just recently had to decide between both turbos. I went with a pte 50trim because it was cheaper than a td06h 20g. If money didnt matter I would definitely would have gotten the full agp kit, I think 1550 for a turbo, manifold, o2 housing, and wastegate is a pretty good deal. But for my goals slapping on a 900 dollar 50 trim was plenty and I saved 600 bucks.

 

[NosLaser]

...I know the 50 trim will support more power, but I wonder if it's worth it because a more experienced DSMer told me to stick to mitsubishi turbos, he said both turbos work differently and the mitsu ones ran smoothier in a DSM....

Who told you that?

Regards,

 

[Ricardo]

Originally posted by NosLaser
...I know the 50 trim will support more power, but I wonder if it's worth it because a more experienced DSMer told me to stick to mitsubishi turbos, he said both turbos work differently and the mitsu ones ran smoothier in a DSM....

Who told you that?

Regards,

When we were at the dyno day and Agim put down only 207 with the t-28 we asked Garry why was it like that, he then said something about the way of flow in a Garrett turbo and basically told us he preferred to stick w/ Mitsubishi turbos.

 

[NosLaser]

Garry Marsh told you that? I'm gonna have to have a talk with him then...

I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I really don't like 20G's, especially now since there are so many better offerings out there. They are smoother because they are laggy. With proper tuning, you can make any turbo 'smooth.' Just get a bolt on 50 trim with an internal gate and keep it simple. They are a great pump gas turbo that can really rip should you decide to get hungry for more power.

Regards,

 

[Ricardo]

Aslan, right now I am thinking that what induced his comment was a t-28 which obviously is a sucky turbo. It might just have been a generalization when he might actually wanted to refer to the t-28 not all Garrett turbos...

Anyway, after this talk I decided that and the 20g might be a great proven turbo, but it's time for old technologies to be replaced with newer ones, Ballistic... yum!

 

[candela]

Who told you that?

Im glad Aslan is finally back... hehe

T-28's are not bad turbo's at all IMO, I personally have gone quite far with them (with sr20det's that is). ANyhow I agree with Aslan on the 20g subject completely. THey are proven and are "good" turbo's, but for reliability, Id trust a whole lot more than a 20g. Bolt on 50trims have also been proven to bud, very proven, if thats what you are going for. Both settups will be very similar in all aspects...

Persoanlly Id go with a bolt on 50trim ($900 RS49) as opposed to the 20g for the same price. Good luck,

Austin

 

[Mike 99GSX]

You're on the right track but if it was me and I was on a budget: I would get the bolt on PTE 50 trim. You will make slightly more power with the full Garrett kit but I think ultimately you could make more power by taking that extra $650 that you saved on the turbo and getting DSMlink instead of the AFC.

 

[Ricardo]

Originally posted by Mike 99GSX
you could make more power by taking that extra $650 that you saved on the turbo and getting DSMlink instead of the AFC.

$650 ? Darm, it's not that much of a difference you must be buying turbos somewhere else anyway I said in the begining that i am building a 1g so no DSMLink for me and honestly if I were to do standalone i'd go with haltech since dsmlink was not designed for a 1g...

 

[candela]

then keep your afc and get a translator, then spend the rest on tuning sessions on a real dyno...

 

[Mike 99GSX]

Originally posted by Ricardo
$650 ? Darm, it's not that much of a difference... anyway I said in the begining that i am building a 1g so no DSMLink for me and honestly if I were to do standalone i'd go with haltech...

The price of a full garret setup from AGP starts at $1650 and others are priced about the same. A PTE 50 trim turbo costs $1000. That would be a difference of $650 so I'm not sure where you're getting your prices from? Also DSMlink can work on a 1g, its been done before

 

[Groomz]

Ricardo, check this site out:

www.dsmchips.com

The next best thing to a DSMlink I guess. Good luck.

 

[Ricardo]

Originally posted by Groomz
Ricardo, check this site out:

www.dsmchips.com

The next best thing to a DSMlink I guess. Good luck.

sweet thanks

 

[badgsx]

I'de rather go with the full garret kit, I think its worth the extra money. Your getting a tubular manifold that will flow better than any ported stock manifold. Same with the O2 housing. If you buy a PTE you still have to get the manifold and O2 housings ported so if you add it all up the full kit isnt that much more expensive but I think you'll be getting a lot more turbo for your money. Also the PTE's arnt as proven as a full garret T3/T4. A lot of cars have put down some seroius dyno numbers and track times with a full garret settup as opposed to the PTE turbos. But then again the PTE's are still relitively new to the scene so maybe this summer we'll see some good numbers.

 

[STECARS]

ricardo, you shpuld ckeck with nate at dsmotorsports.com for that bolton pte 5o trim. best price anywhere. i got mone there and i thought about 20g but t3/t4 sounded better and cheaper for me.