11.5 sec 1/4 mile time in a gs-t? is it possible with or without slicks?

[DARK STAR]

if you have any ideas a list would be cool i already have about 20,0 into the car but am runnin low 12 please sombody help ()

turbo size
lsd
slicks
etc. thanx

 

[mike9146]

if you have any ideas a list would be cool

Let's see:

1. Punctuation
2. Capitalization
3. Complete sentences

Mike C.

 

[DARK STAR]

especially since you have such a fast car and all - huh?

well i hope you feel big and bad you cool guy you !

gosh you are cool --

y dont you post somthing that has some interest instead of being a jerk?

 

[Hobbes =^.^=]

I don't think its possible for you to run 11s without slicks, LSD, and preferably a 20g or bigger. The lag of the turbo will help with the wheelspin. There is more to it, but I can't ellaborate any further sorry. It must be really tough also, because I only see 4 people in the 11s on FWD at times.dsm.org And those were the performance shops.

=^.^=

 

[Tallen]

mike

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/2gupgradepath.htm
check that out..

did you say your running 12's on a stock GST?

 

[Hobbes =^.^=]

Originally posted by Tallen

did you say your running 12's on a stock GST?

I was wondering that too Unless he didnt list them.

 

[mike9146]

y dont you post somthing that has some interest instead of being a jerk?

I do quite often when I can understand what the person wrote.

BTW, you're doing better. Complete thoughts are good. Keep working on
that spelling, mmkay?

Mike C.

 

[larryd]

mike9146.. if you do not like the way DARK STAR posted then do NOT reply.. strict forum rules around here about NO FLAMING..

and DARK STAR.. I honestly dont see 11.5s without slicks on FWD.. I mean im sure anything can be done with enuf power but itd be might difficult

 

[Quacylla]

A point for Dark Star to take home is that if you don't put any effort into your posts then very few will even consider replying. You get out what you put in. This is not a flame.... just constructive criticism.

Now back to the question I doubt you can get into the 11s without slicks.

 

[rdrkt]

I will come right out and say that 11.5 in a fwd on anything even resembling street tires is going to be next to impossible. Curt Brown who walks on water when it comes to DSMs did an 11.5@135 on his Green powered fwd on slicks. I have also seen a Red powered 2g fwd car run high 11s at in the 130 range on slicks. So its not easy even when you are making the power.

Darkstar if I were you I would worry more about making the 500+ hp to reach your goal before you start dreaming of ets.

 

[GSTBoostin]

yes i "believe" it can b done on race gas, one hell of a setup, some bad@$$ drag radials, LSD, studderbox, and one heck of a driver...a kid up here is runnign high 11's on nittos with lsd on a l2r on a 95 fwd so yes i would "believe" its possible

 

[TRBOTSI]

If somebody has to ask what they need...IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

 

[ILOSE]

Originally posted by TRBOTSI
If somebody has to ask what they need...IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

Agreed!

Man none of ya'll have faith in FWD.
Yes it can be done without slicks, but you better practice to be one of the best drivers in the country to do it on anything but slicks.
"Ya got to have faith, my brotha"

 

[BooSTEDblue]

im still wonderin what kinda setup this guy has? U said 20 grand invested but what in specifics are u running? .......

 

[EvolvingGST]

well he could have weight reduction done which would help his quest and he can run 11s easy with weight reductions... and he can do that without slicks if he goes weight reduced.... remember leather interior weighs a lot and so do air bags but i like to live ^^; and anyways boy has 20k to spend... And just to let u know 20k isnt gonna get u a 11 second car... not even a 12 second well maybe 12 if ur lucky and go with all manual stuff.

 

[nvmygsx]

Originally posted by EvolvingGST
And just to let u know 20k isnt gonna get u a 11 second car... not even a 12 second well maybe 12 if ur lucky and go with all manual stuff.

I am going to have to call BS on this one, I have seen a FWD GST run a 13.09 with a SAFC, Boost controller, exhaust, T28, and some Nittos.. now in my calculations that runs, about $3K in mods, and only a tenth of a second to go. This was also done in utah, with a little higher elavation, than those guys in cali..

$20k, into a car is alot of money, i have seen a 2g (AWD), with 5k in it, running a 12.49..

if you are smart 20k, can get you a low 11 maybe a 10 (AWD prefferably).. its possible, just dont throw parts at it...... (cave in, and BUY SOME SLICKS)

 

[EvolvingGST]

Originally posted by nvmygsx


I am going to have to call BS on this one, I have seen a FWD GST run a 13.09 with a SAFC, Boost controller, exhaust, T28, and some Nittos.. now in my calculations that runs, about $3K in mods, and only a tenth of a second to go. This was also done in utah, with a little higher elavation, than those guys in cali..

$20k, into a car is alot of money, i have seen a 2g (AWD), with 5k in it, running a 12.49..

if you are smart 20k, can get you a low 11 maybe a 10 (AWD prefferably).. its possible, just dont throw parts at it...... (cave in, and BUY SOME SLICKS)

ur telling me that he put in 3k to run 13 seconds? well what ur also forgetting is injectors and pumps and other supporting mods, and BTW it takes a lot more to make an 11 second car than a 12 second car and a lot more to make a 10 second car than a 11 second car, the lower you get in times, the higher the spending becomes, so I don't think you should speak on something u know abt. And we are also talking abt a GST here. And ur friend with a T28 will never make 11s. well maybe with like NO2 but besides that he wont. Plain and simple, and im sure a lot of people will agree with me on that one. So don't preach abt something you have no clue about. I have a list of stuff that I have on my list for realistic goals and I get stuff at cost and it costs me 30k in parts alone, and if I want to cut by using cheaper prods its still not going to be near 20k. Plain and simple is that is what I know.

And I am building a high 11 low 12 to mid 12 seconds second car. thats my expectations.

 

[GoFastTSI]

well he could have weight reduction done which would help his quest and he can run 11s easy with weight reductions... and he can do that without slicks if he goes weight reduced.... remember leather interior weighs a lot and so do air bags but i like to live ^^; and anyways boy has 20k to spend... And just to let u know 20k isnt gonna get u a 11 second car... not even a 12 second well maybe 12 if ur lucky and go with all manual stuff.

Perhaps you should sit back, study, and learn. That's complete and utter talking out your colon. With a 14B, RRE FMIC, and 3" turbo back, my 96 WWD ran a 13.4 on less than ideal Dunlop's. That was a total outlay of approximately $1600. So, please enlighten us all how that additional $18,400 would get me into the 11's. All it really takes is well thought out mods and a great knowledge of tuning principles. I will say that you WILL have to use slicks to reach 11's on a WWD though. Radials, even drag radials roast through 1st, 2nd, and even part of 3rd before hooking to the surface at the track no matter the amount of VHT they apply. One more thing, I've seen 1 GST run low 12's with approximately $5K in mods, and another that's running mid 11's with around $10K, however this car will trap high 10's given the high MPH and the fact the tranny is problematically stripping 3rd gear and slider.

ur telling me that he put in 3k to run 13 seconds? well what ur also forgetting is injectors and pumps and other supporting mods, and BTW it takes a lot more to make an 11 second car than a 12 second car and a lot more to make a 10 second car than a 11 second car, the lower you get in times, the higher the spending becomes, so I don't think you should speak on something u know abt. And we are also talking abt a GST here. And ur friend with a T28 will never make 11s. well maybe with like NO2 but besides that he wont. Plain and simple, and im sure a lot of people will agree with me on that one. So don't preach abt something you have no clue about. I have a list of stuff that I have on my list for realistic goals and I get stuff at cost and it costs me 30k in parts alone, and if I want to cut by using cheaper prods its still not going to be near 20k. Plain and simple is that is what I know.

You should certainly heed your own advice. It's quite apparent you haven't any idea what you are talking about except that you're buying a TON of unnecessary parts and getting raped on the prices. KISS...Keep It Simple Stupid. Phrase to live by, it's just a shame so few people follow it. For sh!ts and giggles, I would love to see this "30K in parts" list. I need a good laugh this morning.

 

[EvolvingGST]

Originally posted by GoFastTSI


Perhaps you should sit back, study, and learn. That's complete and utter talking out your colon. With a 14B, RRE FMIC, and 3" turbo back, my 96 WWD ran a 13.4 on less than ideal Dunlop's. That was a total outlay of approximately $1600. So, please enlighten us all how that additional $18,400 would get me into the 11's. All it really takes is well thought out mods and a great knowledge of tuning principles. I will say that you WILL have to use slicks to reach 11's on a WWD though. Radials, even drag radials roast through 1st, 2nd, and even part of 3rd before hooking to the surface at the track no matter the amount of VHT they apply. One more thing, I've seen 1 GST run low 12's with approximately $5K in mods, and another that's running mid 11's with around $10K, however this car will trap high 10's given the high MPH and the fact the tranny is problematically stripping 3rd gear and slider.



You should certainly heed your own advice. It's quite apparent you haven't any idea what you are talking about except that you're buying a TON of unnecessary parts and getting raped on the prices. KISS...Keep It Simple Stupid. Phrase to live by, it's just a shame so few people follow it. For sh!ts and giggles, I would love to see this "30K in parts" list. I need a good laugh this morning.

i building a car to my specs and that is my choice, now where as in to me i can use MBCs which would save me money, and other stuff but i believe in you get what you pay for, and now ur friend who runs 13s when will he ever run low 11s? its not happening, so until u can show me someone who runs 11s in a DSM with less than 10k tell me abt it i would be intrigued. cuz i know u can do it with certain things and if you get everything used u can definitely go 10k, for new parts never... a 11 second FWD car isnt easy and dont make it sound like it is. there are some people who even admit to droping 15k into a 12 second car, so where are u getting ur sh*t from? we build cars to last not ones that will last 2 days after u boost it.

and also there are a lot of people here who can build like a MBC for 2 dollars and i believe if they made their own parts they can make it under 10gs... for all new parts its next to impossible... 11 second car.. FWD, not AWD here.

 

[DSMu4ia]

Damn, the idiots are out in full bloom today.

EvolvingGST, you my friend, have it rough. You are a "n00b" as we like to call them, of the DSM scene.

You are FAR too young (as per DSMs) to have done ANY research on dsm.org, talon digest, vfaq's, etc. You never heard about the days of people running 12's on pump gas with 16g's, or 10's on a full weight/20g'd car. You all REALLY need to sit back, and understand what it takes to get these cars to move. It's not parts, ITS COMBOS.

Just because every other jackass on this site and DSMtalk, has 20k in mods, yet still runs 13s (yet claiming 400whp), is not OUR fault. I wish that UBB's would NOT have gotten to DSMs, and we still had the old resources, and reliable vendors like Buschur to deal with. Now we are blessed with cars running turbo's bigger than most race cars last year ran, are on stock SMIC's, and wonder WTF their cars run like feces.

You (EvolvingGST) should be the last person to criticize GoFastTSI, for having the knowledge to build an 11-second FWD. 11-second FWD's aren't talked about, like 11-second AWDs are. They are built. If you plan on building an 11-second FWD, please give us your breakdown on parts, etc. I'd love to tear into them.

People admit to doing things they don't do all the time. It's called bragging. Although alot of people brag for negative reasons, its still f-ing stupid. If someone admitted/bragged about spending $15grand on a 12-second DSM, they are piles of sh1t. I would love to meet them and at them for a few hours.

Also, no FWD will run 11's EASY. Not with weight reductions, not with anything. It's not easy. I'm building a fast FWD, I care not to say what I think or hope it'll run, but it will run numbers to make all of you gasp and say its not possible. If you are spending 20grand on a FWD, and only expect it to run low 12's/high 11's, you sir, have just wasted a TON of money. I know how much I've spent, and it's about $10k so far, and it won't go much past that. $2k of it, has been for visual beauty, so you could go with the dirty sleeper look and save a bunch.

To whomever said 11's are possible on a FWD without slicks, I don't think it'll happen. I've seen low 12's on drag radials, and 125mph+ traps, but no 11's. This guy could drive, he drives one of the cars you guys like to talk about, and say its a freak.

I'm tired of typing to you guys, it just goes in one ear and out the other.

I do like it here though, allows me to vent without being throw in jail.

 

[EvolvingGST]

ok 30 k was a bit much, but 22k is what is around the list other money includes suspension and other such stuff. And ummm why are u saying there are no 11 second FWD cars? isnt that what this whole post that gofast is saying its easy to make an 11 second FWD.... thats why i ripped into him, so read that better.

my wishlist mods if u want to rip into them I will list them right here.

Injen Air Intake
HKS Turbo Exhuast Catback System
HKS SSQ BOV (installed)
HKS EVC IV
HKS VPC
HKS 264/272 Adjustable cams
Big 16G ported/clipped
big 16g converter kit by RRE
550 CC injectors
Evo III ported Exhuast manifold
Evo III ported O2 sensor
fuel pump
Crower Rods
J&E Forged Pistons
J&E Piston Rings
A'pex N1 downpipe
A'pex FMIC
Greddy 2.25" Lower I/C piping
Greddy 2.5" Upper I/C piping
ACT 2100 (installed)

im sure im missing some parts but that is pretty much everything. And u wanna call me a ricer cuz i want to use brand parts? no its cuze those parts work, and as you can ask anyone in here they use these parts as well.

 

[GoFastTSI]

isnt that what this whole post that gofast is saying its easy to make an 11 second FWD

Please, I beg of you to find where I ever said it was easy for a FWD to run 11s. I never did, nor was I insinuating it. I was however blasting you for making a blanket statement that it cannot be done for under $20K. That's complete and utter BS. Go look up Curt Brown and his FWD "beater" car that runs 10s. I guarantee he has well less than that total into the car. I've been doing this far longer than you've probably been playing with yourself. So, when you get advice you should probably listen when someone tells you that what you say is wrong and backs it up with proof. Now, time to have fun with that wish lid of mods.

Injen Air Intake laugh
HKS Turbo Exhuast Catback System another laugh and waste of money
HKS SSQ BOV (installed) good BOV, but I bet you're already venting to atmosphere without the VPC since you strike me as the type
HKS EVC IV POS
HKS VPC Not bad, but I bet you'll never get it tuned correctly
HKS 264/272 Adjustable cams since when did HKS make "adjustable" cams
Big 16G ported/clipped Good choice, but you won't hit 11's with it
big 16g converter kit by RRE I assume you mean install kit, learn the terms
550 CC injectors Ok
Evo III ported Exhuast manifold {b] not that much better than a 2G [/b]
Evo III ported O2 sensor Ok
fuel pump which one?
Crower Rods ok
J&E Forged Pistons what comp ratio, etc?
J&E Piston Rings
A'pex N1 downpipe
A'pex FMIC decent, but wouldn't be my first choice
Greddy 2.25" Lower I/C piping
Greddy 2.5" Upper I/C piping
ACT 2100 (installed)

So, you think with the above you'll, for one, hit 11's, and two, costs $22K????? Oh my, please come see me for some beach front property in Colorado. A fool and his money soon parted...

 

[EvolvingGST]

hrmmm did i ever said i was going to hit 11s? i said i wanted a 12 second car that will last and maybe hit high 11s. so as for ur other comments pls give recommendations, i do appreciate some critizism on some of my parts not if i miss quoted u im sorry, now cams and such are going to be professionally done which i intend to cost and so is the VPC tuning.

 

[BooSTEDblue]

....EvolvingGST....look, this site is here to help....i'll admit i'm fairly new to the DSM scene(been with it about 2 years or so), and thats not long. These guys are tryin to offer u valuable info on cars that they know a shyt load of info about. Frankly, when it comes to cars and engines, experience rules, plain and simple. DSM's have great potential for extreme power, but u have to understand that a lot of these name brand parts aren't what they are cracked up to be....learn to work with what u have. Many parts the DSM's come stock with are perfect for performance apps. In the end one just has to understand what works with what....name brand stuff is fine in some areas, but many of these guys have 6-10 years experience with these cars, and they know what parts work well together....just listen sometimes and you'll save yourself some money, but in the end its your choice, just tryin to help a fellow DSM guy out....

 

[DSMu4ia]

Originally posted by EvolvingGST
ok 30 k was a bit much, but 22k is what is around the list other money includes suspension and other such stuff. And ummm why are u saying there are no 11 second FWD cars? isnt that what this whole post that gofast is saying its easy to make an 11 second FWD.... thats why i ripped into him, so read that better.

my wishlist mods if u want to rip into them I will list them right here.

Injen Air Intake (Waste of money)
HKS Turbo Exhuast Catback System (Too small)
HKS SSQ BOV (installed) (I would hope its installed)
HKS EVC IV (Why EBC?)
HKS VPC (What other ECU mods are you going to use?)
HKS 264/272 Adjustable cams (Good, but I don't think anyone has went faster in a 16g once they've added cams)
Big 16G ported/clipped (Good, but you won't see the 120mph+ trap speeds you need to see anywhere near 11's)
big 16g converter kit by RRE
550 CC injectors (Good, but won't get decent timing with them, look for 650's+)
Evo III ported Exhuast manifold (The stock 2g one is fine, EVO is just bigger normally and therefore easier to port)
Evo III ported O2 sensor (Get a 2.5 external dump)
fuel pump (You'll need around a 255 to go 11's, which in turn requires an AFPR)
Crower Rods (Good choice, but when even touch the shortblock?)
J&E Forged Pistons (Junk)
J&E Piston Rings (Junk)
A'pex N1 downpipe
A'pex FMIC (Good, but $$$, can find better for less)
Greddy 2.25" Lower I/C piping (same as above)
Greddy 2.5" Upper I/C piping (same as above)
ACT 2100 (installed) (you'll blow it out doing low 12's in about 3 months, even in a FWD, think 2600)

im sure im missing some parts but that is pretty much everything. And u wanna call me a ricer cuz i want to use brand parts? no its cuze those parts work, and as you can ask anyone in here they use these parts as well.

I use brand name parts myself. Just because you use good parts, does it mean you are going to go fast? HELL NO. I would ask anyone in here, but no one has went NEAR 11's on a 16g in here. #@%#@%#@%#@%, people have trouble doing high 12's in here on huge 50-trims.

No one said it was easy to go 11's in a FWD, not even GoFastTSI. You need to be alot more educated about it than an 11-second AWD that's all.

There aren't many 11-second FWD's at all, I counted 4 on DSMtimes.org. 58 11-second AWD's.

Alot of things you posted contradict one another. You want other people to do you work and tuning. That's nice and all, but when something goes wrong, you won't have a f-ing clue what to do to remedy it.

More important than your engine mods, are your tranny mods. Tell me what you were going to have done? Also, you will need slicks to go 11's, or low 12's, tell me what size you are going to use.

With the above setup, on pump gas, I'd be surprised to see you go faster than 13.4's. Race gas, you'll probably go slower ET wise, but with a higher MPH.

FWIW.


Tony
-6yrs DSM experience and growing, but still admit I'm a newbie to going fast.