gm maf location

[crash27578]

I'm thinkin about a gm maf translator and I've seen the gm maf's placed close to the throdle body but is this the only place to put it? I'm wondering about this because I already have intercooler piping so I really don't want to buy more unless I just really have to. HKS flanges are kinda expensive.

 

[crash27578]

BUMP!

 

[Devicex]

You can run in in drawthrough, which would put it in the location of your stock MAS. It works the same you just can't vent if thats what you're interested in as well. You dont have to buy new upper IC piping to fit either, alot of people simply hack up thier IC pipes and use couplers to make the transitions. I was going to do this with my RRE pipes but I decided to get Dejontool blowthrough IC pipes to make it easier.

 

[crash27578]

Kick ass. Thanks for the help! Nice spyder

 

[Devicex]

Thanks man, I think I covered it as best as I can. I'm pretty happy with the gm maft so far so I doubt you'd be unhappy with it, it's just a matter of choosing your setup. If you want to hack up that greddy piping I've got some leftover 2.5 inch to 3.25 inch couplers laying around from my project.....

 

[BigLGST]

Yea I ordered my blow through setup as well a couple of days ago, and I am very excited to put it on my car. Ive read a lot of ppl have had some good success with this setup, but I am kind of skeptical, as my local dsm shop didnt recommend it. So now I dont know if I made the right choice or not, I will have to see when it comes in. Wish me luck

 

[jake98gst]

What about it did they not recommend?

 

[BigLGST]

They didnt recommend the GM MAF setup for they said they saw 0 HP gains over a S-AFC 2 and 2G MAS. I seriously doubt they saw 0 HP gains but who knows they are the experts...I hope I can have some success with this and not regret going this setup. I will know once it gets here. I will keep you updated.

 

[jake98gst]

IMO, That's bullshit! How would more airflow not warrant more hp? An SAFC wouldn't touch this thing on hp gains since it replaces the stock argueably pseudo-restrictive MAF and replaces it with a higher-flowing unit. By this logic, an intake, exhaust, IC piping, or anything else that promotes airflow would not give any hp gains over stock.

What shop is this?

Jake

 

[Devicex]

A shop that sells S-AFC's and not translators, looking for $$$

 

[BigLGST]

A shop that sells S-AFC's and not translators, looking for $$$

You know what thats what I was thinking too, maybe cuz they make money on SAFC and probably none on MAFT's, or maybe they dont know how to tune with it but hell I dont know. They do have "the worlds fastest Evo 8 on stock turbo". Their Evo made it to Modified Mag. The shop is AMS. They are a WELL known DSM shop in the chicagoland area, Arlington Heights to be exact, and most of the guys are cool. I just dont see how they see no power gains. I hope they do know how to tune with it because thats where I will go to get my car tune. I am trying to learn how to do it myself so I dont have to fork out more money to have it done. But still no parts have come in yet! Will keep you updated. Pzzzz
BigL

 

[kpt4321]

You're not going to gain a lot of top end power from thise, especially coming from a 2g MAS. It's less restrictive, but not enough to make a difference of more than maybe 10 horsepower.

However, that's not the point. The MAFT will give you more power under the curve, more flexibility, and better throttle response.

 

[ChicagoGSX]

AMS is a great shop and I've bought and had work done there myself, but when it comes to advice on a part they don't sell I wouldn't trust their opinion.

 

[jake98gst]

Originally posted by BigLGST
...I hope they do know how to tune with it because thats where I will go to get my car tune. I am trying to learn how to do it myself so I dont have to fork out more money to have it done. But still no parts have come in yet! Will keep you updated. Pzzzz
BigL

Don't go and have someone else tune your car, do it yourself. Learn how to do it. There are a bunch of guys on this forum that have tuning down to a science. Ask questions or whatever and just figure it out on your own. Or ask a DSMer in the chicago area before going to a shop and paying $$$ for their services. Good luck with it!

Jake

 

[BigLGST]

Thats what I am hoping to do, but I find it hard to find some people that will seriously sit down and show you how to tune. Its not something that can just be learned of hand just like nothing, and a lot of people dont really have patience. So I am doing some research on how to go about doin it, but its hard when I dont have my parts to mess with. I have a couple of friends wit DSMs but none know how to tune, so I am hoping that I can learn to help my friends out. 12-16-03 11:37 pm central time...still no tracking number on parts :thumbdown

 

[AMS]

We do sell it and we actually make about the same money on the MAFT as on the S-AFC Trust me, there are a lot of products that I could make money on and I don't sell. I do this business because I love the hobby not to make huge money (I would make more money using my degree than running this shop).

Please read my post here

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91008&highlight=ams

We never tested the 2G MAS vs. the MAFT, but from the 1G MAS test results I'm pretty confident that with both tuned to the same A/F the gains would not be significant (at moderate horsepower levels). Just because something flows more air doesn't mean it's going to make more horsepower. The mentality of "the bigger the better" can get you into trouble and waste a lot of money. One of the keys to making horsepower is increasing volumetric efficiency, and you do this by identifiying restrictions and eliminating them. If you can already flow a certain amount of air throught something without causing a pressure drop, increasing the flow-rating of that item will not gain you horsepower! Now I'm not saying the MAFT will not work, as maybe the 2G MAS does become restrictive at the 500whp level and a MAFT could add 20whp. I never tested this but I do know we gained 40whp on a 560whp car going from a stock ECU and 2G MAF (hacked) to an AEM EMS and speed density. The gains came from a mix of being able to control ignition timing and eliminating the MAS completely. So to answer the question, if you're making a ton of horsepower with your car then the MAFT would probably make some good horsepower gains. Sounds good?

-Martin

 

[crash27578]

Wouldn't the maft be cheaper than the safc and easier to hook up? If it is cheaper then what would be the benafite of a safc? I go to a lot of car shows so being able to vent my HKS BOV looks and sounds a whole lot better. However I'm starting to be a tuning freak about learning the do's and don'ts of what to do. I still have a long way to go to really be good at it and also I have to have save money for the parts!

 

[BigLGST]

We do sell it and we actually make about the same money on the MAFT as on the S-AFC Trust me, there are a lot of products that I could make money on and I don't sell. I do this business because I love the hobby not to make huge money (I would make more money using my degree than running this shop).

Ok then if you guys DO sell it, how come when I called two weeks ago on Sunday someone told me they didnt? I dont recall who I talk to but, they told me they didnt. So if you do sell why tell me you dont? Could have saved me some time but oh well I guess....

 

[1fast97gsx]

maybe they didn't have any in stock and didn't know when they could get new ones? Maybe new employee? I dunno, but I like AMS and think its a great shop that knows their stuff.

 

[BigLGST]

Yea AMS is cool and they know what they are doin....but when I believe the person taht told me was Eric, and I know hes not new employee and his exact words were, "we dont carry Translators anymore" I think those excuses can be thrown out the window.....

 

[AMS]

I thought we had one in stock but I guess we just sold the last one. I don't think we where getting anymore because I told him Mike Licht left Ramchargers and he was the one doing the MAFT. Eric is our newest office employee and I'll talk with him tomorrow to clear things up.

Thanks for opinions and information,

Regards,

Martin

 

[nine5raptor]

mikes new address: www.fullthrottlespeed.com

 

[AMS]

Thanks for the info,
I talked to Eric (he didn't do anything wrong, he just wasn't aware that we could still get them) and informed that we can still get them through Mike.

Martin

 

[crash27578]

Originally posted by crash27578
Wouldn't the maft be cheaper than the safc and easier to hook up? If it is cheaper then what would be the benafite of a safc? I go to a lot of car shows so being able to vent my HKS BOV looks and sounds a whole lot better. However I'm starting to be a tuning freak about learning the do's and don'ts of what to do. I still have a long way to go to really be good at it and also I have to have save money for the parts!

Anyone??

 

[Devicex]

The MAF and Translator itself would be a bit cheaper then an SAFC but then you need to consider IC piping and Intake piping as well... Once you have you setup planned out, installation should be quite a bit easier then an SAFC.