Turbo DIED! What to replace it with,20g? 50 trim? other?

[EclipseGSX13]

Heres whats up, sorry kinda long

My t-25 just went to crap on me (lots of oil blow-by). Now I need to get a new turbo, I didnt plan on getting one till the summer. So I dont have all the supporting mods in place. I thought about just putting another stock turbo on but whats the point in wasting money, right? I want to get a turbo that I can stick with, but I dont have time to spend a month looking at all of them, so I am asking you guys for some help.

I want to get my car into the high-mid 12's, and its going to be a daily driver for the most part. I just put a new SBR stage 1 engine in, and my other mods are in my profile! I also have a set of 550's, a walbro 255, pocket logger, and a S-AFC that are sitting around. I know I wont be able to get the full potential out of any turbo right now, but I plan on getting the supporting mods in the comming months.

I am looking at a few turbos
SBR 2G20G
50 trim turbo
FP Green
and any other suggestions.

I have been trying to cram in the research the past few days. I would love to fear from people who have these or who have researched these turbos.

also should I trade the 550's for some 660's, and get ride of the s-afc and poket logger for a dsmlink. (im sure the answers will be yes, but its worth asking, )

 

[1fast97gsx]

I beleive the 20g will be the only "true" bolt on ... someone correct me if I'm wrong because I'm deciding this too at the moment. For the injectors though, you can't sell the safc to get a pocketlogger ... you can't adjust with the logger you need the logger to see whats going on and then the safc to make adjustments. With a 20g I'd go with 660s to be safe and an upgraded fuel pump.

 

[LandoAWD]

Originally posted by 1fast97gsx
I beleive the 20g will be the only "true" bolt on ... someone correct me if I'm wrong because I'm deciding this too at the moment. For the injectors though, you can't sell the safc to get a pocketlogger ... you can't adjust with the logger you need the logger to see whats going on and then the safc to make adjustments. With a 20g I'd go with 660s to be safe and an upgraded fuel pump.

All of them will "bolt up" but I am fairly sure you need a 2g install kit for them (correct me if I'm wrong). I would recommned no less than 660s for any of the turbos you listed.

 

[EclipseGSX13]

For most of the turbos I will either need an install kit, or at least some couplers, that isnt a big concern really.

I just was wondering what would be the ideal turbo, for what my car will be used for. I really dont have a personal prefference at this time. I just wanted to see what others thought about them, then narrow it down and make my descisions.

also, I have a pocketlogger and a S-afc. I would sell them both to get a datalogger

 

[LandoAWD]

A Pocketlogger is a datalogger, and is usless if you don't have fuel control (well, not useless, but they are symbiotic). Any of those turbos with supporting mods will net you 12s or better (assuming good tuning).

 

[EclipseGSX13]

opps my bad,
I meant I'm going to probably get a DSM link.
After I get my turbo problem figured out

 

[EclipseGSX13]

I could still use some replies if anyone has any comments about these or other turbos.

 

[LandoAWD]

Comments like what? Be specific. Keep in mind these are all "popular" (for lack of a better term) turbos, and many people have run them. What do you want to know/hear about?

 

[Groomz]

A T28 would put you into the twelves. SBR 2gB16G would also be plenty for that ET. Even a rebuilt 14b would work if you tuned it well, and maybe nitrous oxide ( wet ).

 

[LandoAWD]

Originally posted by Groomz
A T28 would put you into the twelves. SBR 2gB16G would also be plenty for that ET. Even a rebuilt 14b would work if you tuned it well, and maybe nitrous oxide ( wet ).

None of those were choices

 

[EclipseGSX13]

lando sorry I'm sounding too general. I guess I expected answers for questions I didnt really ask

I dont want a 14b cause as of right now I know nothing about tuning, but I'm sure once I get that far it should be too difficult for me.
I have planned on at least getting a B16g, so that I wont go around wishing I had gotten a bigger turbo.

I have spend quite a few hours the last 2 days looking at turbo's. I'm kinda leaning toward a 2g 20g from SBR (seeing as how they did build my engine), I can get a decent deal on a used one (1k miles). My other option right now would be a 50 trim turbo, but I cant seem to find any good info on this. (anyone know a web site?)

Everything else aside, if I went with a 20g and ran it at 14 psi until I get the supporting mods. Would this be bad for the turbo or my engine?

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

The EVO III 16G will easily get you into the low 12's with proper tuning on a full weight 2G. It can't be done by itself, as you will need supporting mods to get there (fmic, cams, fuel, etc). No need to go spending $1000 on a 50 trim if you don't "need" that much turbo. A well setup 50 trim car can go mid 11's on pump gas (ask me, I know).

So, as you can see, lo 12's on race gas for a $600 EVO III 16G, or mid-hi 11's on pump gas on a $1000 50 trim (t3/t4 (this setup will cost around $1700), PTE, or FP Green).

Choice is yours.

 

[EclipseGSX13]

so a 50 trim would probably too much turbo for what my expectations are...

As for the Evo 16G, I was checking that out. Do you know anyplace that has a flowchart of a Evo 16G VS. B16g. Also, for the 16G I would need an install kit $200 or more. For the 2g 20g, I would only need a coupler.

As for the supporting mod, I know all about that (i dont expect a turbo alone to get a car running 10's )

For my expectations of mid 12's, would 550 inj. be enough or would 650's be better

Thanks for the replys so far

 

[EclipseGSX13]

If I would go with the 2g 20g, would I be able to put a frontmount on easilly?

I Planned on getting a dejon tool FMI, but they told me cause of the 90 degree bend on the 2g 20g there wouldnt be enough room to run the piping for the FMI.

Anyone know of a front mount that this turbo might work with? If I cant find one than this turbo would be out of the question.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Just get a 20G with the standard housing. Don't get any elbows welded onto it. That way, the compressor outlet will be pointing straight down, perfectly in line with any of the FMIC kits that use the 2-216 core and normal piping that routes between the block and the radiator.

 

[EclipseGSX13]

This is what I have been thinking, the only bad thing. A 20g with internal WG will run me about $1,100 and I was trying to stay below $900.

Besides the 20g my other option right now is an Evo 16g, which I can get for about $900 w/ a 34mm internal WG, ported, 2g install kit, and SS oil line (the whole package I think)

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

then buy a smaller PTE unit. Still gonna cost ya around $950 or so with an internal gate. YOu wanna play, you gotta pay. Or get lucky and find a good $500 20G like the one I just sold

 

[EclipseGSX13]

I'm trying to find a good used one right now, but they just dont seem to be very avalible.

 

[JET]

I had a PTE 50 trim the past year and loved it. Full boost at 3800 and it loved either pump or race gas. It will easily get into the 10's with the right mods. I ran 123 mph with mine at 26psi (stock head and intake mani).

 

[GSntncT]

Originally posted by JET
I had a PTE 50 trim the past year and loved it. Full boost at 3800 and it loved either pump or race gas. It will easily get into the 10's with the right mods. I ran 123 mph with mine at 26psi (stock head and intake mani).

I agree. I think you'd be happier with a 50trim series turbo. I'm going to a 50 or 56 soon myself.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by GSntncT
I agree. I think you'd be happier with a 50trim series turbo. I'm going to a 50 or 56 soon myself.

Uh, those two turbos are in totally different classes. That's like saying, I am either going to get a T28 or a 60-1.

50 trim is good for mid 11's on an avg. tuned car, while a 56 trim can and has gone 9's. BIG difference.

 

[red91tsiawd]

with a 20g can't you get away with running stock injectors if your only gonna run stock boost? personally, i'd get what turbo you want now and don't run anymore than stock boost till you get your fuel/exhaust

 

[red91tsiawd]

o, and i'm gonna see what 580's will do on a super20g running 17psi on 93 and 24psi on 100 race gas

 

[Groomz]

Originally posted by LandoAWD
None of those were choices

But they are worthy suggestions.

( Not being an ass. )

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Originally posted by red91tsiawd
o, and i'm gonna see what 580's will do on a super20g running 17psi on 93 and 24psi on 100 race gas

I'll tell you what they will do. Nothing at 17psi and have fun trying to make those 580's keep up at 24psi. Hope you like running 50+psi base fuel pressure.