2-212 vs. 2-216 cores

[klipzedgsx]

was up guys im about to order my new fmic and its going to be the pro street online kit sense i think its the best out now. my ? is what core should i go with the street or race, i shooting for a 11's. i had a irc race core in my last car and liked it but had a little problem with getting hot. is there any advantages or dis between the too thanks.

 

[klipzedgsx]

come on i know someone has a say in this

 

[klipzedgsx]

sorry about the typo i ment 2-120 core

 

[DSMJim]

I have 2-216 on my car (shortened by 2 inches from 10 to 8 inch tall however) and it fits nice in the front of the Talon. As long as you use a super effecient core with both the 2-120 and 2-216 have proven to be it's pretty hard to go with too large or an intercooler.

Any other comments?

 

[nowayout]

120 if fine for 11's. 216 is if you have a big turbo like T4,60-1 S trim or bigger. Bigger is nice bit it take more time and air to fill in up before boost comes on.

 

[klipzedgsx]

ya im running this fmic with a agp 50 trim turbo maybe a 60-1 later. but for sure now im running it with my 50 trim.

 

[SpoolinV8killa]

anyone know were the cheapest place to get a 2-216 core is? core no endtanks

thanks

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by SpoolinV8killa
anyone know were the cheapest place to get a 2-216 core is? core no endtanks

Spearco

I got my core with endtanks fron Nate at DSMotorsport for a really good price.

 

[klipzedgsx]

lets not steal threads, so will the 2-120 do good for a 50 trim trying to do low 11 or will i need the 2-216

 

[nowayout]

People Get the the 12's on a stock 1G intercooler. Must people want the biggest thing they can buy just to say they have one.

80% of the people out with 216 core is an over kill. But it's nice for the one who selling it because they can charge more.

 

[klipzedgsx]

so u think the 2-120 wil be more then enough

 

[nowayout]

If I were you I would call AGP, Force performance or some who build turbo's. They would know how much flow the turbo generates and what you really need for.

 

[klipzedgsx]

ya i think i just mite do that. ill call up agp sense my turbo is from them. agp is alsome coming out with there own fmic that should be out within the next two weeks from what kevin told me.

 

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by klipzedgsx
ya i think i just mite do that. ill call up agp sense my turbo is from them. agp is alsome coming out with there own fmic that should be out within the next two weeks from what kevin told me.

they have done it for a while, they use both cores.

 

[klipzedgsx]

no agp always sold irc fmic, they are now making there own fmic that i mite wait for, there haveing the option of built in gm mas

 

[klipzedgsx]

sup guys ok now im going to make this just a voteing thread now , if u could please just put down 120 or 216 for witch core u think i shoudl get for 11's with a 50 trim. if u want u could add some info on why u say it thanks guys

 

[rdrkt]

Taking a look at the price point I don’t see why you wouldn’t go with the 216 going just good enough often times means buying twice. Will the 120 core work just fine? Yes. Would it hurt you to have a core that cools that much better? No.

People rarely understand this concept. You can run 11s on a stock SMIC if you wanted to. But the cooling is only going to be good enough for a quartermile pass if that. This is why the a/w ic works on the track. But we are talking street cars here. When you do a long 4th gear pull or a top speed run or it’s a really hot day a bigger core is better. And trust me there is NO noticeable difference in spool with the two cores and I have had both.

 

[candela]

I have also had both cores. I ran my 2-120 to 11's with my 56trim and it did ok... Though i do not beleive i could have gone faser with a larger core, I live in AZ and runnign my car @ 19psi in 100+ degree heat will amount to heat soak regardless of intercooler size. With the 2-216 was it a lot less relevant....YES In wisconsin where it doesnt get nearly as warm would a 2-120 suffice decently on the street... probably

rdrkt is right though about doing it twice. However, some people do nto want to do things twice and go a little overboard. I feel that a 216 core is simply awesome for anything over 16g size; and as he said for a street or track running it WILL make a big difference.

 

[Airpoppoff]

Originally posted by rdrkt
. Will the 120 core work just fine? Yes. Would it hurt you to have a core that cools that much better? No.

Pretty much what ive been trying to tell him the whole time

 

[Blitz]

Originally posted by rdrkt
Taking a look at the price point I don’t see why you wouldn’t go with the 216 going just good enough often times means buying twice. Will the 120 core work just fine? Yes. Would it hurt you to have a core that cools that much better? No.

People rarely understand this concept. You can run 11s on a stock SMIC if you wanted to. But the cooling is only going to be good enough for a quartermile pass if that. This is why the a/w ic works on the track. But we are talking street cars here. When you do a long 4th gear pull or a top speed run or it’s a really hot day a bigger core is better. And trust me there is NO noticeable difference in spool with the two cores and I have had both.

When you switched from the street core to the race core did you notice any difference in performance? Do you have any back-to-back dyno runs or track times? Did you make any other changes to car other than the intercooler switch?

I have 2-216 Indy race core sitting in my garage, but I'm not sure if it’s going to make difference in performance over my 2-178 street core that has been proven to run 10s in more than a few DSMs.

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by Blitz
When you switched from the street core to the race core did you notice any difference in performance? Do you have any back-to-back dyno runs or track times? Did you make any other changes to car other than the intercooler switch?

I don’t have a good back to back comparison. I switched from the street to the race core and web street to HKS and I picked up about 3mph in the dead of summer. So who knows.

My whole point is that the big difference will not be felt at the track but on the street.

 

[klipzedgsx]

My whole point is that the big difference will not be felt at the track but on the street.


what do u mean by this such as over heating or actually power. i want the most power but i dont want to pay for it like i did last summer with my irc fmic over heating all the time.

 

[Blitz]

Originally posted by rdrkt
I don’t have a good back to back comparison. I switched from the street to the race core and web street to HKS and I picked up about 3mph in the dead of summer. So who knows.

My whole point is that the big difference will not be felt at the track but on the street.

So your saying that a Spearco street core 2-178 will heat soak on the street? What kid of boost and how long did you run your car on the street before your street core started to heat soak? Does your race core heat soak and how do you know it's heat soaking?

 

[rdrkt]

If you guys log your cars check the intake temps as you do a pull. You can see what I mean. I think the street core will heat soak if you beat on it. Although not the drastic burn your hand by touching in that happens with the SMIC. But even a small reduction in intake temps can improve hp.

I have also heard from several people that the race core will over heat LESS then the street core dude to the positioning of the endtanks. But if you are having trouble overheating you need to fix that. Don’t let your crappy cooling system make your IC core decisions for you.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by nowayout
People Get the the 12's on a stock 1G intercooler. Must people want the biggest thing they can buy just to say they have one.

80% of the people out with 216 core is an over kill.