what gains will i get from bolting on a 16g

[lucas isherwood]

what gains will i get from bolting on a 16g onto my stock setup? will there be any hinderances or will there only be advantages and if so how big of a advantage or hinderance

 

[NosLaser]

You will go slower. Hope this helps.

Regards,

 

[Tallen]

what he means is USE THE SEARCH BUTTON. and seriously...a bigger turbo will give u better power

 

[NosLaser]

What I mean is if you just bolt on a bigger turbo, you will go slower without the proper supporting mods. Why is it that DSM guys don't understand this very simple and fundamental concept?

Regards,

 

[NosLaser]

It's really simple, really. If you are an aspiring medical student, and you just graduated college and are going off to med school, you don't get dropped into an operating room and asked to perform open heart surgery. You have to get proper training in order to get to that point. You pick up all your 'supporting mods' via education and hands on training, so you are all prepared for that 'big turbo', the title of Doctor at the end. Same with cars. You have to properly prepare and setup a car to run a big turbo if you expect it to run worth a damn. But what do I know?

Regards,

 

[jpolizo]

NosLaser is right, here.

The engine is a system and one thing impacts lots of other things. Just briefly, if you put in a bigger turbo, where are you going to get more fuel? You obviously aren't going to make more horsepower without burning more gas. Mitsubishi did not put in oversized injectors just in case you add a bigger turbo. If you put more fuel, you also need more air and you need to squeeze that through your stock air-box, air filter, intercooler pipes, and intercooler. Now you also need to get the increased level of exhaust (more fuel, more air ... more exhaust) out fast enough to get your turbo to spool worth a damn.

The tuning guides you will find, everywhere, are the result of a lot of folks figuring this out through trial and error; there's good info there.

 

[dcskater82]

i have a big 16g, stock exhaust, fuel pump and injectors, with a brode uicp and greddy type s valve...my car is DEFINITLY faster then then t25...yup.

 

[kpt4321]

Of course it's faster than the T-25, the T-25 sucks.

On pump gas, the 14b and the 16g are very close, and the 16g will not make much more power than the 14b.

Also, if you're running the stock boost level and with all other stock parts, the 16g will only make a very small difference near redline.

If you want to run enough boost to make the 16g work, then you will need supporting mods.

....Kyle T.
93 TSi AWD "TURBO4"
14b - 12.8 @ 108

 

[2GStreeT]

How do you figure that the 14b and 16G are close, and were did you get the idea that the big 16G will not make much more power. Or do you mean the big16 wont make really anymore power than a 14B on a stock setup. Fuel/ Controle / ETc?

 

[13secGST]

16g/big16g=HUGE difference over the T25...the T25 is a piece of absolute shit turbo.

16g/big16g = a difference over the 14b (the one we are talking about here) but like others have said it is going to be a slight difference unless you have the supporting mods to allow you to use the turbo the way it was meant to be used.

by slight I mean no more than 15-20hp as a peak difference and probably less below 3k and average of 10 more hp after it spools (above 3k) but you can get those same hp numbers by puting on a K&N FIPK and 3" Cat-Back

 

[jpolizo]

Originally posted by dcskater82
i have a big 16g, stock exhaust, fuel pump and injectors, with a brode uicp and greddy type s valve...my car is DEFINITLY faster then then t25...yup.

How much faster is it?

How did you determine any horsepower improvement was the turbo and not the BOV?

 

[mike9146]

"I'm too lazy to ready the Tuning Guide, please spoon feed me so I don't have to do any research."

 

[NosLaser]

It's really funny how some of you just don't get it. Seriously. You just don't get it do you? Let's start off with the simplest comparison. There are people who easily run 12's on a 14B. There are a few people who have gone very low 12's on a 14B. And now, there are people who have gone 11's on a 14B. Are these people using Black Magic? Is it possible that they sold their souls to the Devil himself in exchange for very fast cars? Or, could it be that we ALL have an equal opportunity to go fast, and these peope just do it the RIGHT way? The internet is such a huge source of information. Hell, most of the faster guys outline their exact setup on their personal website. They keep accuate records of the mods they have, and the success they had with said mods. Anyone can go on to their website, duplicate their setup exactly, and should at least see similar results. With THAT much information available at your fingertips, why is it that you all still f*ck up? I don't get it!!

Regards,

 

[Agent Ezzard]

I believe it is because people wanna go fast for free or damn near it.

 

[pneumo]

Is your old 14b still in good condition? If it's blown out, cracked, leaking, etc, then you will see some power gain with a new turbo.

If the 14b is still in good condition then there will be no benefit since you stated that you are running at stock boost levels. If anything you will notice increased lag.

Just pretend my signature says,"12.8 @ 106.4 MPH on a 14b, stock IC, stock piping, stock injectors, no AFC, no magic

 

[Blitzed95Eclips]

Yeah these guys definately arent getting it. It doesnt even matter if you have a few mods and slap on a big16g its still not going to work your magic. There is a member on here named twitch. When he put his on he said he didnt feel a difference at all and hes got all kinds of mods. Here is some dyno numbers for you. My friend dynod his car with the 14b, exhaust, bov, safc, greddy small front mount and he had about 248 hp. Then when he put the big16g on along with 550cc injectors he gained a whopping 2hp. Yep all the way up to 250. Why is this? He didnt tune for shit. You guys dont realize that making a car go faster is all tuning. I could have a fully built race motor with a fp red turbo and still run 15s.

Basically what Aslan is trying to say is that your not going to be able to get those significant gains from just buying a big16g. Its going to take a lot of work, tuning knowledge, and software. ALONG with supporting mods.

Steven

 

[GaRn]

its great that yall can bi*** at the guy/s..

quit bitching and point him to some more resources and websites, intsead of saying "you need supporting mods, tuning," tell him WHAT exatly he needs..

you guys just dont get it do ya?

 

[RuBiCaNT5X]

Originally posted by GaRn
its great that yall can bi*** at the guy/s..

quit bitching and point him to some more resources and websites, intsead of saying "you need supporting mods, tuning," tell him WHAT exatly he needs..

you guys just dont get it do ya?

He NEEDS to do more research.

http://www.dsm.org

http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q/index.htm

http://www.vfaq.com

Check those out.

 

[GaRn]

Originally posted by RuBiCaNT5X



He NEEDS to do more research.

http://www.dsm.org

http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q/index.htm

http://www.vfaq.com

Check those out.

bout time!

 

[NosLaser]

Just for your info GaRn, the original poster of this thread PM'ed me and asked me what he should do, and I did indeed help him. In fact, I'm sure you can PM him and ask him, and he'll vouch for that fact. What we are NOT going to do is spoon feed EVERY SINGLE PERSON that starts a new thread the very information that has been available on the internet for almost 10 years now. Why do we have these forums? To answer the same questions over and over again? It gets monotonous. You guys have no problem researching and finding some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen and posting it in the lounge, but you all seem to have a big problem finding information about what mods will work on a DSM. Give me a break. Every once in a while it's refreshing to see someone taking responsibility for themselves.

Regards,

 

[GaRn]

Originally posted by NosLaser
Just for your info GaRn, the original poster of this thread PM'ed me and asked me what he should do, and I did indeed help him. In fact, I'm sure you can PM him and ask him, and he'll vouch for that fact. What we are NOT going to do is spoon feed EVERY SINGLE PERSON that starts a new thread the very information that has been available on the internet for almost 10 years now. Why do we have these forums? To answer the same questions over and over again? It gets monotonous. You guys have no problem researching and finding some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen and posting it in the lounge, but you all seem to have a big problem finding information about what mods will work on a DSM. Give me a break. Every once in a while it's refreshing to see someone taking responsibility for themselves.

Regards,

well im glad you did, but you still made a post complaining.. spoon feed? its a forum, if you dont wanna waste time answering his question, whether he can find the info searchin or not, then dont waste your time responding with a complaint or bitching/smartass comment, it just ruins the experience for everyone else.. if your gonna take the time to click the little reply button, then go ahead and answer his question specifically instead of letting everyone else know that he can find it with the search button(as if everyone didnt know this anyway).. and this isnt directed just towards you..