Whats the deal with the stock clutch

[gsxotic]

Is the stock clutch just junk.... I have a 98 GSX with a stock clutch and 60X miles and I can't get the tires to spin on dry payment.... every time that I launch ... either I just squat and leave or the thing allows me to leave but slipps like a muther. WTF... I've been driving for 7 years now and had a manual in every car I've owned. 1991 STANG, 1993 STANG, 1994 TA, 1996 TA. What's the deal... is the factory clutch just that bad.... or is mine a exception.???

 

[McGruffAWD]

The stock AWD clutch or even FWD clutch sucks for launching. Mine lasted about 1.2 launchs before it slipped and took a crap. I am sure others will chim in with their horror stories. Get a new aftermarket one. There are plenty of threads going around to help you choose.

 

[JayHass]

Originally posted by gsxotic
I have a 98 GSX with a stock clutch and 60X miles and I can't get the tires to spin on dry payment....

Hmm, oh I dunno lets see...3180lbs, AWD, 6000rpm...I have no idea why the factory would put the clutch disc as the "weak" point in the driveline.

Dude! WTF did you expect from an AWD car! If you want a car to do burnouts with, go back to the RWD V8 cars you had. AWD cars only spin the tires with a lot of hp or severe abuse. They stick better than your F-Body or LX with a 10.5" slick.

When you break something from abusing your car, please...PLEASE don't go back to the Mustang forums or whatever calling the DSM a POS that breaks all the time.

 

[jpolizo]

The stock clutch, in my opinion, is pretty week. I have a 97 Spyder (FWD) and it slipped like crazy making it very difficult to drive well. I live in a hilly area and trying to get started on a steep incline was a real pain; the turbo kicks in, the clutch starts to slip, and you sit there in a cloud of smoke. I since put in a Kevlar clutch and it's night and day different; that think never slips (which of course means I need more horsepower).

 

[gsxotic]

FIrst of all.... I'm not calling DSM's shi**y....

Second of all I'm not trying to win a burn out contest, or smoke the tires at every stop light... I'm 24 for christ sake...and I've had a mustang in the past... I know how bad it sucks to smoke them .... every time that you want to launch hard.

I'm not rasing hell all the time either... got a 2001 R6 to do that.

I'm just saying ... I've been in races and I've never really heard the tires light up... and I've put some stress on them!

I just keep reading these posts about guys doing AWD burn-outs and I was wondering if I had something wrong ... or was it just time for a better clutch... since a new turbo is on the way.... (Love that income-tax return)

Thanks for the help and comments though

 

[nine5raptor]

better clutch definately, even an act2100 with 200 more pounds of clamping force is so much better.

 

[Keaka26]

the stock clutch is 1900??? i had no idea, I dont like the 2100 at all, feels too stock, my 2600 is much better in all aspects. As for people doing AWD burnouts, their cars are putting out a lot more torque than a stock GSX has. I personally think that if you cant spin em, that should be a good thing that you shouldnt complain about. Those 3KGT VR-4s can spin all 4 with very few mods no problem, they come with much more torque from factory, but they are still slow because of all that extra weight. Torque will get you burnouts, but you're not going anywhere without some accompanying horsepower to get there.

 

[rabidfox]

Originally posted by Keaka26
the stock clutch is 1900??? i had no idea, I dont like the 2100 at all, feels too stock, my 2600 is much better in all aspects. As for people doing AWD burnouts, their cars are putting out a lot more torque than a stock GSX has. I personally think that if you cant spin em, that should be a good thing that you shouldnt complain about. Those 3KGT VR-4s can spin all 4 with very few mods no problem, they come with much more torque from factory, but they are still slow because of all that extra weight. Torque will get you burnouts, but you're not going anywhere without some accompanying horsepower to get there.

Horespower = Torque x RPM /5252

Horsepower is a referance as to how much power you'd be putting down the longer you held the gear(hence why Civic Si's with 99 ft/lbs of torque can clock 160 HP) Sooooo how do you come to the conclusion that you need horepower to go fast? Btw, a 3kgt vr4 pulls low 13's stock, similar numbers as a stock Supra tt, if that's slow....

 

[nine5raptor]

hp=550 ft lbs/ sec
that is the actual definition of 1 hp.

for practical terms yes, tq*rpm/5252 will let you know what it is.

(gotta put those engineering classes to good use )

 

[JayHass]

Originally posted by gsxotic
FIrst of all.... I'm not calling DSM's shi**y....

Second of all I'm not trying to win a burn out contest, or smoke the tires at every stop light... I'm 24 for christ sake...and I've had a mustang in the past... I know how bad it sucks to smoke them .... every time that you want to launch hard.

I'm not rasing hell all the time either... got a 2001 R6 to do that.

I'm just saying ... I've been in races and I've never really heard the tires light up... and I've put some stress on them!

I just keep reading these posts about guys doing AWD burn-outs and I was wondering if I had something wrong ... or was it just time for a better clutch... since a new turbo is on the way.... (Love that income-tax return)

Thanks for the help and comments though

I apologize for the seemingly rude tone. You just sounded like the typical noob who comes on and says rediculously stupid things. Thanks for clarifying. No harm no foul.

The cars doing AWD burnouts have an aftermarket clutch, lots of power and are fully prepared to break a center diff if it happens.

 

[Keaka26]

Dont get me wrong now you DO need torque to go fast, but horsepower is more important, and yes, i DID know the formula for horsepower before you posted it. A car with GOBs of torque and no horsepower, will go nowhere! A car with shitloads of horsepower, and little torque, can still move, AKA a honda. Think about the original Hummer, has hundreds of lb/ft of torque, and like 150 HP, is that car fast? no....even for its weight and size it is slow. Horsepower is directly related to engine speed and torque (Horespower = Torque x RPM /5252).

Horsepower is a referance as to how much power you'd be putting down the longer you held the gear

If a car has a 3000 RPM redline and makes peak torque of 300 at 2000, thats only 114 horsepower. How fast is this car going to be? sure, it has CRAAAZY torque, but what good is that for going fast. Horsepower is absolutely necessary.

Horsepower is a measure of work, torque is a measure of twisting force. Think about that, a car is "working" to get down the track.

Oh, BTW, a 3KGT VR-4 does not run with a supra stock vs stock....its not even close actually. Not to mention the weight plus AWD kills out the clutch in no time.

 

[98TsiAWD]

I have a stock clutch, it was replaced right before I bought the car with an OEM clutch. I have done 30 or more 5k launches on it. Still holding fine...
What I do is rev it to 4500 then tap the gas a few times real quick then launch, this supposedly builds a couple psi of boost. I think it does because I launch alot harder this way. Sometimes my rears break loose off the line sometimes they dont. If I take a corner in first and get on it the tires will really break loose tho, can yours do that? If you are still on your original clutch with 60k miles on it that may have soemthing to do with it..