Bored? heres something fun to do! (critique my plan!)

[ZSPTurbo]

well, for the last month or so, I've been building up my plan for my 1ga.... well, its all finally coming together. I figure that there are some bored ass people people out there in internet DSM land, so I figured that I would provide some entertainment for you, so here ya go. critique my plans...... Towards the end its not totally put together, and Im sure that there will be a little re-arranging going on. and comments you got, give 'em to me. If I ####ed up and Im missing something important, tell me. Oh, and this is mostly just dragracing, suspension stuff goes on later

so with no further adue.... my plans! (hehehe, that sounds funny, say it out loud)



Power 1:
Downpipe - 175
QTP exhaust cutout - 170
Intake - 150
???Nitrous 50 shot???
Nitrous Pressure Gague
Fuel Pressure
A/F Gague

Cost:


Power 2:
Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump - 150
AEM EMS - 1200
GM Boost Control Solenoid (GMPartsDirect.com) - 10
2g knock sensor
Crower adjustable cam sprockets - 165
Gagues
Boost Gague
EGT Gague

Cost:


Cool Shtuff:
custom fiberglass fender flares / pulled fenders
17x9 wheels (buddy club P1 Racing, 17 lbs)
steering wheel - 200
shift knob - 50
Pedals - 50
custom vented hood

Cost:


Tranny:
Sent off to TRE for:
4 spider center diff
Shift rails
Steel shift forks
Double synchro 2nd
TRE spec 1st and 2nd gears
Oil magnet

Cost: 1700


Power 3:
T3/T4, 50 trim stage 3, .48 housing - 550
TiAL 35mm wastegate, .8 bar spring - 200
Wastegate dumptube - 50
Exhaust Manifold - 400
Injectors - 450
Extras - 200

Cost: 1850


Power 4:
ADFX FMIC - 1000
HKS 272 Cams-570
Crower Retainers and valve springs - 250
Crower Valves - 270

Cost: 2090


Power 5:
Pistons (95+/Evo/JE/Ross)

Cost:


Whenever!
rewelded shifter (to make it short throw)
Clutch
Sway bars
Strut bars
Coilovers
Sheetmetal Intake Manifold

How much?
Gagues
harness

Maby?
Crower rods - 700

 

[greathuskie]

with the .50 trim you want, a .48 A/R is too small for drag racing

get a .63 A/R

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Im getting the .63 later, its just a couple hundred bucks, and I get the super fast spoolup of the .48.

 

[InferiorWang]

Just some ideas.

IMO the injectors should be put on earlier in the setup. and cam sprockets could prolly come later. r u getting the ems that early so you can have everything tuned and then just tweak it as u add stuff? or do you think that you really it that early in your setup. You wouldn't be making a lot of use of the ems until after you got injectors.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by InferiorWang
Just some ideas.

IMO the injectors should be put on earlier in the setup. and cam sprockets could prolly come later. r u getting the ems that early so you can have everything tuned and then just tweak it as u add stuff? or do you think that you really it that early in your setup. You wouldn't be making a lot of use of the ems until after you got injectors.

hmmmmmmm

Ill take that into consideration.

also, would I need oil/water temp gagues?

my ####pit is gonna look like an airplane ####pit, Im gonna have tons of switches and gagues... wheeeee!

edit*
hahahaha, it censored the c-o-c-k in c-o-c-k-pit.... HAHAHAHHA!

 

[Antilles]

get the boost gauge earlier. you could end up getting a lot of creep with a cutout. if you creep and spray at the same time you could be in for some real engine trouble.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

willl I need an oil temp gague? water temp?

 

[ZSPTurbo]

ok, what do you think of this revised first 2 steps?



Power 1:
AEM EMS - 1200
GM Boost Control Solenoid (GMPartsDirect.com) - 10
2g knock sensor
Gagues
EGT Gague
Fuel Pressure
A/F Gague
Boost Gague
Intake - 150

Cost:


Power 2:
Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump - 100
???Nitrous 50 shot???
Nitrous Pressure Gague
Crower adjustable cam sprockets - 165
Downpipe - 175
QTP exhaust cutout - 170

Cost:



and how much should the unpriced items cost?

 

[Antilles]

I have a quick question, why the GM boost control selenoid? is it better in some way or just cheaper? if its just cheaper i would go with a higher quality MBC, since you are spending all that money on the standalone, why not spend a bit more on the boost control?

Also, I dont think you need an air fuel gauge, a datalogger would be a much better investment.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

ok.....

I have my own laptop, so whenever I need to tune, I can take it with me... how many gagues will that eliminate the need for?

also, I am just going with the GM because I want to have dial-a-boost from inside the ####pit... people told me that the GM boost solenoid was the best one for that application.

 

[NeXtLeVeL]

Ok I dont want to sound like an ass but you really need to look at what parts your getting and the stage you get them at. In the tuning guide it will show everything you need to get and in what order you should get them at. The nitruos you wont need unless you really just want it. Most people get nitruos after there done with all there supporting mods and they need more go without having to upgrade turbo's. Just follow the tuning guide and you can change it up alittle and do whatever else you want to do for looks. But for performance stick to the guide :hint hint: guide

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by NeXtLeVeL
Ok I dont want to sound like an ass but you really need to look at what parts your getting and the stage you get them at. In the tuning guide it will show everything you need to get and in what order you should get them at. The nitruos you wont need unless you really just want it. Most people get nitruos after there done with all there supporting mods and they need more go without having to upgrade turbo's. Just follow the tuning guide and you can change it up alittle and do whatever else you want to do for looks. But for performance stick to the guide :hint hint: guide

well, thanks for the help. but by help, I mean NOT help.

 

[larryd]

I couldnt agree more with NeXtLeVeL.. your stages are WAY WAY wacked out..

Power 1:
AEM EMS - 1200

why get the EMS first, your talking about a stock car?

Fuel Pressure

Why the fuel pressure gauge if you dont have an AFPR to change the FP anyway??

Power 2:
???Nitrous 50 shot???
Nitrous Pressure Gague

Why do you want nitrous already? You dont even have upgraded intercooler piping yet but you want to spray nitrous?

Crower adjustable cam sprockets - 165

for what? To adjust the stock cams??

Seriously man, Im not shitting on your parade or anything but you really need to put more thought into what your buying here and the order you get stuff in, it has no logic to it.

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by larryd
I couldnt agree more with NeXtLeVeL.. your stages are WAY WAY wacked out..

Power 1:
AEM EMS - 1200

why get the EMS first, your talking about a stock car?

Fuel Pressure

Why the fuel pressure gauge if you dont have an AFPR to change the FP anyway??

Power 2:
???Nitrous 50 shot???
Nitrous Pressure Gague

Why do you want nitrous already? You dont even have upgraded intercooler piping yet but you want to spray nitrous?

Crower adjustable cam sprockets - 165

for what? To adjust the stock cams??

Seriously man, Im not shitting on your parade or anything but you really need to put more thought into what your buying here and the order you get stuff in, it has no logic to it.

I would get the EMS first because that way I can just tweak with each new stage instead of going through a major tune. also, I want the ems as soon as possible, that way I will never need any other kind of electronics, such as a boost controller.

and whats an AFPR? A??? fuel pressure regulator?

and I want the nitrous then... thats just the way it is.

Im gonna get a fmic, so why bother spending the money to upgrade stock IC piping?

my upgrades have plenty of logic, a couple of them might not, but generally, they are in fine order.

 

[greathuskie]

if they are in fine order then why are many people telling you they arent

you dont NEED to tune parts like an exhaust, intake, stuff like that, you need to turn for fuel and timing which wont really change unless you have a bigger turbo, so get parts that make you go faster

and AFPR means adjustable fuel pressure regulator

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by greathuskie
if they are in fine order then why are many people telling you they arent

you dont NEED to tune parts like an exhaust, intake, stuff like that, you need to turn for fuel and timing which wont really change unless you have a bigger turbo, so get parts that make you go faster

and AFPR means adjustable fuel pressure regulator

I didnt say that they were all right, must I fell that generally they are. also, I already said why I wanted the EMS first.... read again.... and I will need to retune for most steps... but more importantly, I wont need to get other electronics, such as an afc or boost controller. also, it will give me lots of new features, which I would like to have.

and since I dont like to end a post with a negative comment, thank you for telling me what the A in afpr is

 

[Antilles]

I dont know what the deal is with everyone on here about following the tuning guide. Theres nothing wrong with the way he wants to upgrade. He doesnt need to make the most power per dollar the whole way through the process. I think getting some of the more complex parts is a good idea. That way you know what you are doing with them when you get the heavy duty equipment.

Now, if you were to say, wait 6 months to a year between your upgrading "stages" then yeah, theres a better way to do it. But when you are buying parts constantly, like something major every month or so, who cares what order you get things in? Sheesh...some people think if its not done by the book its automatically WRONG.

You can make more power earlier in the process, but thats not always the main goal.

 

[2gGS-T98]

What about a roll cage?

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by 2gGS-T98
What about a roll cage?

yeah, what about a roll cage?













.
Im not getting a roll cage unless I decide to do serious TRACK racing.

 

[NeXtLeVeL]

HAHAHA ok, man im not going to try to make you change ur mind but the way your going isnt really going to save you any money and it really isnt smart to try to tune with each upgrade when you dont have injectors or any other big upgrade your more likely to hurt your egine if you tune your car without these things.
Why are you so set on he EMS? For one I hvent heard to many good things about it and would you even beable to tune it?Whats wrong with a S-AFC? why not a dsmlink? The way your going is going to make you end up spending alot more than you should. Sounds more like you want these things then you need them. But all to his own.

 

[pneumo]

Learn how to crawl before you walk. With the AEM EMS you're trying to run before you crawl. Know what I mean? With the EMS you will have control over everything, for better or worse. Just treat it with respect, the EMS has the ability to mess up your engine just as quickly as it will make it a winner. The challenge lies within YOU! (yeah, that does sound weird when you say it outloud)

 

[larryd]

Originally posted by ZSPTurbo


I would get the EMS first because that way I can just tweak with each new stage instead of going through a major tune. also, I want the ems as soon as possible, that way I will never need any other kind of electronics, such as a boost controller.

and whats an AFPR? A??? fuel pressure regulator?

and I want the nitrous then... thats just the way it is.

Im gonna get a fmic, so why bother spending the money to upgrade stock IC piping?

my upgrades have plenty of logic, a couple of them might not, but generally, they are in fine order.

you asked for advice, I gave it.. Ive been down the road.. Ive done every mod on this friggin car now once, twice and sometimes 3x Just trying to shed some light on you and make sense out of things..

you didnt answer my questions though, you want to run nitrous why? Just because??

you have your FMIC listed on stage 4 which would then include your piping, I just find it odd that your replacing everything else in the car and will still have stock piping..

As I said, do it however you want man. The tuning guide is there, its not there to be a bible.. you dont have to follow it step for step. Its there as a logical path for upgrading DSMs to make the most power out of yer $$ in stages..

 

[ZSPTurbo]

Originally posted by larryd

you didnt answer my questions though, you want to run nitrous why? Just because??

you have your FMIC listed on stage 4 which would then include your piping, I just find it odd that your replacing everything else in the car and will still have stock piping..

As I said, do it however you want man. The tuning guide is there, its not there to be a bible.. you dont have to follow it step for step. Its there as a logical path for upgrading DSMs to make the most power out of yer $$ in stages..

I want to run nitrous basically just because. I like nitrous, and it seems like an easy(er) way to raise my hp. dont confuse what I just said, I didnt say that its easy, i.e. strap it on and theres 100 more hp, but it definatly seems easier to spray a 50 shot than to raise the boost 4/5 more psi than I already will be on the stock turbo. If I raise the boost too much on the stock turbo, it'll get WAY too inefficient, but with the nitrous, It will cool the air also. I just chose to run a small shot of nitrous, down the road I might choose to do the necessary upgrades to run a larger shot.

also, the FMIC is something I have been arguing with myself over... in one hand, I could get it real early, and just change a couple pipes to make it fit the new turbo, but on the other, would it really be worth it? after reading some more, Im thinking that I will put the fmic sooner, I'll post my fully revised schedule when I get home today

 

[larryd]

just be careful with the nitrous. Your falling into the land of oz where everyone thinks strapping on 100 shot of nitrous is no big deal. Its easy to install, its easy to use, its also easy to blow your engine into itty bitty pieces.. Read up in the nitrous forum thoroughly before you attempt to run nitrous for your own good

 

[LandoAWD]

Maybe you should get a car first...it might help