4g64/4g63 hybrid?

[switch]

ok i just wanted to learn a little more about this hybrid motor like what cars can this motor be fitted in 1G or 2G, also what parts are needed
besides the 4g64 lower block and the 4g63 head......any info would be nice thanks a bunch

 

[NOSNUSE]

i found a website that had a install of a 4g64 w 4g63 head installed in a 2g, i looked in msn.com and type in 4g63 tuning and see if it is still there.

 

[rubbersidedown]

are you sure you're not thinking of the 2.4ltr stroker kit? It uses a 4g63 block and the crank from a 4g64.. or a custom built 2.4ltr stroker crank.

 

[Speed52257]

Im am putting a turbo kit on my 96 Spyder GS. It has a 2.4 4g64 in it. I was wanting to know how much horsepower it can safely hold without damaging something.

 

[FastRthenU]

well i dont know about stock. But im sure it could hold like 400 stock probley

 

[yhype]

if you put the crank from the 4g64 in the 4g63 you'll only get a 2.3l. You can safely turbo the 4g64 up to like 300-350 i'd say you can really spank some power out of them if you want to. like i plan to in the future.

 

[TRBOTSI]

I like how there's like 3 different topics here all because people can't address the posted topic..Anyway, to the original poster. t's hard to find any solid information because there are very few who have actually done this. People say they have, but yet there's no proof and everyones' ideas clash. Good luck finding any valuable info you can rely on...I tried and people just seem to be talking out of their ass.....

 

[rubbersidedown]

Originally posted by TRBOTSI
I like how there's like 3 different topics here all because people can't address the posted topic..Anyway, to the original poster. t's hard to find any solid information because there are very few who have actually done this. People say they have, but yet there's no proof and everyones' ideas clash. Good luck finding any valuable info you can rely on...I tried and people just seem to be talking out of their ass.....

In defense of myself, I was talking on topic. To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as taking a 4g64 block and putting a 4g63 head on it. So i suggested that maybe he was confused and talking about something else. More recently, however, i've looked into it and from the way the people at Magnus Motor sports they make it seem that they are using a 4g64 block... but when you look at the engine specs the block is listed as "Magnus" where as the other engines they build the block is just listed as "OEM". So this could mean a variety of things. If anyone wants to know for sure if its been done, then i suggest they go and ask the people at magnus motorsports. as for TRBOTSI... you haven't really posted anything relavant to the original thread either. Switch asked if it could be installed in a 1g or 2g, what parts were need, etc. He didn't question the existence of the block. You simply stated that you don't know anything about the block, except that people say they have but there is no proof blah blah blah. And once again, he didn't question the existance. So please, don't go tearing other people down for trying to help. Its not like anyone who posted was BLATENTLY off topic.

 

[TRBOTSI]

Here ya go Rubber---

Yes you can use the 4g63 head on the 4g64 but it's not a direct bolt on affair. If you research I think you'll find that somne holes need to be plugged. As for fitting in a 1G or 2G, it'll fit in either but might require motor mount fabrication, just like putting a 6 bolt in a 2G...HAPPY????

 

[rubbersidedown]

you didn't tell him if there were any extra parts needed..

 

[16g-95gsx]

Here you go, read to your hearts content, thank me later . But keep in mind what you will be reading is from the advanced section on DSMtalk, so please do not respond unless your reply is very adequate for the forum.

The swap is very real, and there are people who have done it and have parts lists up for what is needed. It's a 2.4L motor and requires the entire block, and a few more pieces which are discussed in this link. This hybrid will produce retarded amounts of torque, as well as spool up large turbos like they were stock ones . No crankwalk, more power, and MUCH more torque, quicker spool, and a higher power gain from each mod, all for very cheap if done by yourself. Simple swap it appears with just mild custom work.

Enjoy

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=31111

 

[TRBOTSI]

Oh wow, 9 pages of contradiction....


I'm sure there are people running this combo, (we all know about Magnus and them) but fact of the matter is, there's not as many people running these motors as everyone believes. For the 30 people posting they have one, I'd be surprised if 5 are actually telling the truth.

Lets also not forget that with this extra displacement, also comes some drawbacks.Ya know how we all love the top end 7k+ rpm pull of those 272's? Or maybe how that sheetmetal intake really shines past 6.5k roms... kiss all that goodbye....A lot of the parts that are made for DSM's are focused towards the higher RPM range, as in 6k and up. Therefore, if one does decide to get with a stroker or 2.4, choose your accompanying mods wisely.....

 

[Crankwalker]

Here is the roadmap to building a hybrid. There are several people that are or will be running these soon. I have sold 11 2.4L hybrid short blocks and others sell them as well.

This is from my web site.

If you are lucky enough to find a 6-bolt variant of the 2.4L engines from Mitsubishi or Hyundai this information will help you complete your project.

First off you need to select a machine shop that has a torque stress plate to do the bore and hone. Make sure they do a two step process on the hone. This is critical to make sure the rings seal properly. Avoid grinding the crankshaft, have it polished. You also need to have them clean and inspect the block and crankshaft before ordering any parts. Be sure to surface the block deck and cylinder head, this should be considered mandatory for metal gasket use.

Obviously you need the block and crankshaft from any Hyundai 2.4L engine or a narrow bell housing Mitsubishi 2.4L engine, remember this is dealing with 6-bolt applications only.

Connecting rods are the same as the DSM 6-bolt 2.0L turbo engine. No modifications are needed to make them work in a hybrid application. Aftermarket rods will come with ARP fasteners, keep this in mind when ordering parts.

Pistons are custom forged units but very similar to the DSM 6-bolt 2.0L turbo piston. Obviously the bore size is much larger but they use the same .827" wrist pin. I do not recommend using the factory 2.4L cast pistons in turbocharged hybrid applications.

Engine bearings are directly from the DSM 6-bolt 2.0L turbo engines. Nothing special is required.

Main cap fasteners should be replaced with new stock bolts but you have the option of ARP studs. Keep in mind you'll need to have the mains line honed if you use the ARP studs. I highly recommend using new factory bolts over the ARP studs.

You have several choices for the harmonic balancer. It can be from the DSM 6-bolt 2.0L turbo engine but you must balance the rotating assembly. It can be the factory 2.4L balancer but you need to convert the alternator and water pump pulleys to v-belt. Or you can go with one of the aftermarket balancers available. With any of the choices I recommend balancing the entire rotating assembly.

Head gaskets must be looked at in two different categories, stock style and multi-layer steel. Fel-Pro offers a gasket for the DSM 2.0L 6-bolt engines with a 70mm bore, I use these and have never experienced the problems many complain about. We offer steel gaskets in various bore sizes and give you a choice of thickness. If your engine has a bore larger than 70mm you will need to use a metal gasket.

Timing belt and camshaft timing gears from the 1994 Mitsubishi Galant 2.4L DOHC engine should be used. The timing belt part number is MD182292 and the cam gear part numbers are MD189399 / MD300439.

Here's the parts list you'll need from the DSM 6-bolt 2.0L turbo engine. All of these parts are required but none of them require any special modifications to work in the hybrid application.

Water pump, front cover / oil pump assembly, balance shaft eliminator components, timing auto tensioner, left engine support bracket, tensioner arm, tensioner pulley, idle pulley, oil pump sprocket, crankshaft sprocket, crankshaft sprocket flange plate, all engine mounts, rear main seal, rear main gasket, rear main oil separator, oil filter housing / bracket, oil pan, oil dipstick and tube.

Keep in mind all of the gaskets and fasteners not individually covered above will be standard DSM 2.0L 6-bolt turbo engine parts. Any other parts not specifically mentioned will also come from the DSM 6-bolt 2.0L turbo engines.

This should be everything you need to know to accomplish your 2.4L hybrid project with no surprises.

 

[rubbersidedown]

umm... sticky anyone?

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by 16g-95gsx
But keep in mind what you will be reading is from the advanced section on DSMtalk, so please do not respond unless your reply is very adequate for the forum.

Which constitutes lots of foul language, insults and name calling:laugh:

but seriously there are a lot of venders that offer both the stroker and 64 hybrid

contact

www.magnusmotorsports.com

www.ffwdconnection.com

www.polkperformance.com

they should be able to give you some insight without all the name calling :laugh:

 

[rubbersidedown]

Damn! All the stuff that ffwdconnection sounds nuts. I don't think i've ever seen so much high performance products and services that are so well described on one site. Has anyone had any experience w/ cryogenically treated parts? I'm just curious. Has anyone also purchased anything from them? Some of their prices seem a little steep while others surprisingly cheap.

 

[greathuskie]

im seriously having trouble finding pistons from a reputable online store

any help?

 

[bigfoot]

http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/

Marcos is the guy that put the money and effort into designing the pistons.

 

[swordfish]

I am building a 4G64 stroke dog as we speak. Here is the problem. Finding pistons. I am on a 3 week wait for my pistons. If you have any specific questions about the build up you can PM or email me or just post here. Crankwalker pretty much covered everything though.

jeff

 

[Jesse Spivey]

I'm in the process of doing this to my 1997 Eclipse spyder. you have to order the timing belt from a deliverhead cam 4g64 which comes out of a gallant. Other than that the only thing I've had issues with was a pigtail I had to buy for my cam angle sensor you could modify the wiring but I didn't want to cut anything up if I didn't have to also you should use the head gasket from the 4g64 because the bore size is larger than that of the 4g63 everything else is mainly just bolt on I used the 4g63 oh because I believe they are different but the exhaust is the same . You'll also need to buy different radiator hoses because they're bent different directions and are too long / too short. Everything on mine is together timing is set once I get my pigtail it's time to see if I can Crank it up. I'd imagine I'd get similar power output to the naturally aspirated 4g64 stock and not tell much difference with the different head on it. I will let you know if I run into anything else.