Frank 7(25g) installed!

[turbotalon92]

Well, I got my Frank 7 on today!!

A friend of mine and I got it put on this evening, and this is how the test drive went...

I let him drive so I could watch boost, wideband, and rpm's.

1st gear... we didn't even try it.

2nd gear, At 4400rpm we had 15psi and poof the tires were gone. We then went for a third gear pull, he rolled into it slowly and it was pulling hard, and about 6000 rpm torque steer about put us in the ditch and he let out. Several other attempts and we could not get past 6000 rpm without severe torque steer.

Wideband showed that it was runing at 11:1, Egt's maxed at 780. The knock led lit up in third gear, be glad when the datalogger gets here next week.
My 2g mas peaked at 2600 hz (what does the 2g mas max out at?).

I will be going to the track and dyno after I get the Nitrous kit installed, and I will post some numbers. , I put the fwd trans back in for the longer gears, and hopefully I will run quicker than the previous 11.9

We'll see, and wish me luck

Chris

Check out my ride here:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=6587&thumb=1

 

[turbotalon92]

To the top for the day crowd!

 

[TSi92]

Go FWD!!

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Frank 7

That's a biggun. Have fun.

 

[candela]

Good god!! 25g/Frank 7 is huge I saw a new 350z with a 25g on it and I though that was big.... what kind of boost response are you getting? I know you said your getting NX, but when are you getting full boost? Awesome ride, keep up the good work!!!

Austin

 

[turbotalon92]

Originally posted by candela
Good god!! 25g/Frank 7 is huge I saw a new 350z with a 25g on it and I though that was big.... what kind of boost response are you getting? I know you said your getting NX, but when are you getting full boost? Awesome ride, keep up the good work!!!

Austin

Get 15psi at 4400rpm, it gets a little crazy after that and I can't tell you what boost at rpm. I am going to dyno it at 28 psi on monday, wish me luck.

 

[candela]

Well goo dluck man! Your car is very nice and a great example of what can be had! Your style is sick to, car looks just awesome.... that is my fav. color/look and you have the power to back it up!

 

[turbotalon92]

Looks like I won't get to the dyno, I have some air leaks I need to resolve,and get some sort of way to bypass the mass. I am outrunning the mas at 19psi, and it is going to suck to have to lose my idle again. Any suggestions on bypassing the mas and still keeping a good idle?

Oh, and the main reason for no dyno...the local race shop lost thier fuel permit, and no more c-16 for this area. The closest place for c-16 is now 2 hours away.

Any suggestions for a high octane fuel by sunoco...any luck with other fuels?

 

[DSMTurbos]

how far is rockingham is that the 2 hour away spot to get the race fuel?

what fuel managment do you use now? the only way to get rid of the mas would be to get a standalone correct?

 

[talon400tsi]

How about a HKS VPC along with a GCC .............

 

[greathuskie]

or how about an AEM EMS, may cost morebut you get many many more features along with it

 

[waterdeep]

Are you using a 2G mas? If so Im surprised you could be overrunning it at 19psi...

 

[turbotalon92]

Originally posted by waterdeep
Are you using a 2G mas? If so Im surprised you could be overrunning it at 19psi...

I have the 2g mas, and at 19 psi, I am at 2700 hz. If i am not mistaken it is only goes to 2900 hz. I will surely pass that at any higher boost.

I am not going to spend the money on any stand alone or vpc. I am not making enough power to need one of those yet. People around here are making over 500 hp on the 2g mas.

 

[turbotalon92]

Originally posted by DSMTurbos
how far is rockingham is that the 2 hour away spot to get the race fuel?

Rockingham is about an hour away, but the gas at the track is crap. Do you know of a place there that sells c-16? That would be perfect.

 

[DSMTurbos]

you think that rock's gas is crap, i haven't heard that before, but i haven't used it yet, and it seemed to do good for my friends. i know that fayetville has a gas station or something with c16, and i know a few that use that and love it.

i would really consider dumping the mas for vpc, aem, haltec etc, i bet you would pick up some nice hp from that, otherwise your stuck with the mas

 

[waterdeep]

DAMN!!! 2700 at only 19psi, wow! That is quite a bit, is it hacked at all?

 

[DSMu4ia]

Remove all the honeycombs, you should be able to get a little further. Also you can try a bypass tube after the mas. It takes some time to find a good size I hear though.

People have went about 130mph on the 2g mas, you also mention you have a few boost leaks. Get those fixed before you do any MAS hacking.

Anyways, I'm curious if that turbo feels "laggy" at all with the fwd around town? I'm trying to decide on my next turbo (won't be this one), but the lag of the REALLY big ones scare me. I'm just trying to talk to FWD guys about streetability of the bigger turbos. AWD guys don't count, because they can always downshift and boost, however when we downshift, all we get is tire smoke.

BTW: What size slicks are you using?

 

[turbotalon92]

Originally posted by DSMTurbos
you think that rock's gas is crap, i haven't heard that before, but i haven't used it yet, and it seemed to do good for my friends. i know that fayetville has a gas station or something with c16, and i know a few that use that and love it.

i would really consider dumping the mas for vpc, aem, haltec etc, i bet you would pick up some nice hp from that, otherwise your stuck with the mas

Yes, the gas at the rock is great for old school big blocks, but for FI cars it is crap.

I am not going to get rid of the mas and spend 1100 for a stand alone or vpc just to have to spend forever getting it tuned. I won't even consider that route until:

1. I have $110 that I don't know what to do with
2. I am making more than 550 hp

 

[turbotalon92]

Originally posted by waterdeep
DAMN!!! 2700 at only 19psi, wow! That is quite a bit, is it hacked at all?

I don't want to hack the 2g mas, then it will be as good as my hacked 1g mas. As in no idle.

Everyone thet i know that has messed with the 2g mas by hacking has really screwed them up. Maybe they don't know what they are doing? Got me?

 

[waterdeep]

Well what choices do you have? Yuo are over running it at 19psi and we all know that tht turbo is much more efficient at higher boost levels...

 

[turbotalon92]

Originally posted by DSMu4ia
Remove all the honeycombs, you should be able to get a little further. Also you can try a bypass tube after the mas. It takes some time to find a good size I hear though.

People have went about 130mph on the 2g mas, you also mention you have a few boost leaks. Get those fixed before you do any MAS hacking.

Anyways, I'm curious if that turbo feels "laggy" at all with the fwd around town? I'm trying to decide on my next turbo (won't be this one), but the lag of the REALLY big ones scare me. I'm just trying to talk to FWD guys about streetability of the bigger turbos. AWD guys don't count, because they can always downshift and boost, however when we downshift, all we get is tire smoke.

BTW: What size slicks are you using?

I think I am going to bypass the mass with a tube that I will get welded on. I will just use it for the track, and cap it for street use.

It turns out there were no boost leaks.

I get 15 psi on the street at 4400rpm. I guess that is laggy compared to a big 16g. I consider the lag, a form of traction control. As for the street, I believe any FWD on any decent size turbo is going to spin in 1st or 2nd. I f not, they don't make enough power. First and second lights the tires as soon as boost comes on, and at 19 psi on pump gas, it will spin third at the top end.

24.5" slicks on 15" kosei k1's @ 8psi

 

[turbotalon92]

Originally posted by waterdeep
Well what choices do you have? Yuo are over running it at 19psi and we all know that tht turbo is much more efficient at higher boost levels...

Bypass the mass, and it will not read so high. I am not going to run more than 19psi on the street, so it is fine except when I go to the track and run 28 or so psi.

 

[DSMu4ia]

Originally posted by turbotalon92


I think I am going to bypass the mass with a tube that I will get welded on. I will just use it for the track, and cap it for street use.

It turns out there were no boost leaks.

I get 15 psi on the street at 4400rpm. I guess that is laggy compared to a big 16g. I consider the lag, a form of traction control. As for the street, I believe any FWD on any decent size turbo is going to spin in 1st or 2nd. I f not, they don't make enough power. First and second lights the tires as soon as boost comes on, and at 19 psi on pump gas, it will spin third at the top end.

24.5" slicks on 15" kosei k1's @ 8psi

Thanks.

Just a few more questions, I know the boost response itself might feel laggier over say a 16g, but how does the car itself feel? Does it feel lazy on the street?

I'm considering turbo's which I feel I can competently spool 20psi right around 4k. +/300rpm. Should be 600hp turbo's. I just didn't want to buy a small turbo and short change my mods, nor did I want to buy some huge beastly lazy turbo that would be no fun on the street.

Anyways, for the slicks, do you have regular FWD brakes? or did you do the AWD Big brake upgade? If you have AWD brakes, how well do those Kosei K1's fit? Thanks again .

 

[turbotalon92]

Originally posted by DSMu4ia


Thanks.

Just a few more questions, I know the boost response itself might feel laggier over say a 16g, but how does the car itself feel? Does it feel lazy on the street?

I'm considering turbo's which I feel I can competently spool 20psi right around 4k. +/300rpm. Should be 600hp turbo's. I just didn't want to buy a small turbo and short change my mods, nor did I want to buy some huge beastly lazy turbo that would be no fun on the street.

Anyways, for the slicks, do you have regular FWD brakes? or did you do the AWD Big brake upgade? If you have AWD brakes, how well do those Kosei K1's fit? Thanks again .

That is all relative, it feels lazy till about 3500 rpm, but a little nitrous will take care of that.

I don't know of any turbos that make 600hp and spool 20psi by 4000rpm. anyone else.

Just so you know, I don't believe any FWD is fun on the street until 3rd gear. I owned an AWD, and there is no comparison. There are AWD's in my area making 150 less hp than me, and they will destroy me from a stop.

I have the fwd brakes, the awd brakes will not fit with my slicks, I already looked into that.

 

[DSMu4ia]

Originally posted by turbotalon92


That is all relative, it feels lazy till about 3500 rpm, but a little nitrous will take care of that.

I don't know of any turbos that make 600hp and spool 20psi by 4000rpm. anyone else.

Just so you know, I don't believe any FWD is fun on the street until 3rd gear. I owned an AWD, and there is no comparison. There are AWD's in my area making 150 less hp than me, and they will destroy me from a stop.

I have the fwd brakes, the awd brakes will not fit with my slicks, I already looked into that.

Thanks again.

A few people said the 15" Kosei's will fit the AWD brakes. Hmm.

I'm assuming the 24.5" slicks are M+H, I have a set of them as well, I just need to find cheap rims to mount them on.

There are a few turbo's which are capable of doing 600crank hp, which goes down to around 500-520whp with the loss of an AWD. Those are old style Garrett's, the new BB stuff should reduce spool times a little.

I had a 308whp FWD, and I had ZERO traction problems. Sure it would spin first gear, but most AWD's do that anyways. 2nd hooked fine, and 3rd hook no problem. LSD + Drag Radials + full suspension. That setup was "FUN" to me. With 17" Radials, it would spin 2nd a little bit, but not all the time. Heavy Torque Street in 2nd though. I'm hoping with another 100 or so WHP, it won' be TOO MUCH worse. Tire spin can be modulated with the right foot, and a spinning 120mph car, is still a 120mph car. I don't race from a stop.