is dsmlink AND maft over kill?

[ryu]

i will be getting dsmlink and i was wondering if its overkill to get a maftt also? this will be for a t04b vtrim w/frontmount at around 20psi. i have a first gen so i will atleast have to get a 2g maf. should i just spend the extra few bucks and get the maft?thanks

 

[GPTourer]

Why, just so you can VTA?

 

[90CherryTSI]

compensation for this, so why would you? Lots of ppl have even posted that with an SAFC you don't NEED the maft. Safe to say yes, you don't need it, but if you have $200 to waste....there are better things to spend it on.

On a side note update your car profile, it shows automatic and dsmlink.com states -

1G DSMLink (1990-1994)

Yes, FINALLY, we're done with the 1G version of DSMLink. This has been an incredible learning experience for us. I think it goes without saying that we seriously underestimated the amount of time and effort required to bring this product to market. But it's here now!

NOTE: We do not currently support the 1G AUTOMATIC. We will work to correct this as soon as possible.

 

[ryu]

no im not going to vent. but i need to buy a 2g maft anyways because i have a 1g. if i remember correctly i read somebody say that the 3inch helped spool the turbo fast. am i wronge?

 

[ryu]

my profile is right. i emailed dsmlink and asked if they will have dsmlink for autos and the wrote back. "we will have them in a couple of weeks for sure". so im not worried about that part. thanks

 

[90CherryTSI]

DSMLink has -

MAF comp2 Allows the user to "dial in" changes made to the air metering system (hacked MAF, bypass tube, or GM MAFT type unit).

 

[ryu]

ahhhh.....ok. thanks

 

[Mackzero]

If you don't mind spending the cash, then by all means, get the GM MAF setup also, it is better as you do not have as much restriction on the intake of the turbo, which does hinder spool up to a degree. I have not heard of someone doing the MAFT setup, CORRECTLY, and having any neg. experiences with it, only positive.

 

[treimche]

If you don't mind spending the cash, then by all means, get the GM MAF setup also, it is better as you do not have as much restriction on the intake of the turbo, which does hinder spool up to a degree. I have not heard of someone doing the MAFT setup, CORRECTLY, and having any neg. experiences with it, only positive.

Another plus for using the GM MAF and Translator is that it can meter much higher airflow numbers than either the 1G or 2G MAS. There's a LOT of us DSMLink guys running the 'Link with the MAFT.

 

[jott5555]

there are two aspects of the maft, one it has some small tuneing ability, 2nd the gm maf flows over 500cfm, the 1g and 2g maf's cant even dream of touching that airflow amount.

venting is just a bonus makeing kids and old people alike jump for the tree's. i use both. it takes a little bit to get them dialed in together but after you get it dialed in it works flawlessly.

so the gm maf will help you flow more air. spool your turbo quicker. and scare the children and elderly alike. i dont see a down side.

 

[98TalonTSi]

The only negative aspect to the GM MAF is the accuracy of the air metering in question.

 

[4G63 For Me]

So you can get JUST the GM-MAF and use DSMLink instead of the MAFT?

Would you also be able to vent to the atmosphere with only the GM-MAF and Link?

Before anybody says anything about venting, I'm looking to get a Tial BOV to run 30+ PSI. Can't recirculate those. (By the way I have a brand new GReddy Type RS BOV for sale in the classifieds)

 

[treimche]

So you can get JUST the GM-MAF and use DSMLink instead of the MAFT?

Would you also be able to vent to the atmosphere with only the GM-MAF and Link?

Before anybody says anything about venting, I'm looking to get a Tial BOV to run 30+ PSI. Can't recirculate those. (By the way I have a brand new GReddy Type RS BOV for sale in the classifieds)

You still have to use the Translator part too.

 

[definitiveno]

The only negative aspect to the GM MAF is the accuracy of the air metering in question.

gm maf is more or less accurate? I think you were saying it's less accurate but I wanted to be sure......

 

[98spydert]

The only negative aspect to the GM MAF is the accuracy of the air metering in question.

WHAT? The GM unit is way more accurate than the stock DSM meters. It's also more accurate to have the sensor right before the throttle body. Both of these benifits make for an extremly comfterble ride. Accel, decel, cruise idle, all are extremly smooth after the MAFT install. And all of this is coming from a DSMLink/MAFT combo user

Together they are THE BEST combo for a street car.

 

[jott5555]

i think the maft/link combo is good for just about anyone. definetly capiable of running 10's
and after you get the hang of it its fairly easy to tune wtih.

 

[98spydert]

Yeah deffinetly good for any car but a lot of people like to argue that a VPC or stand alone are best for WOT performance. They're probably right but anyone who's had both or at least had experience with both will tell you the VPC or stand alone set ups are kinda sketchy for daily driving. Especially those who use them without a proper IAT sensor.

 

[98TalonTSi]

WHAT? The GM unit is way more accurate than the stock DSM meters. It's also more accurate to have the sensor right before the throttle body. Both of these benifits make for an extremly comfterble ride. Accel, decel, cruise idle, all are extremly smooth after the MAFT install. And all of this is coming from a DSMLink/MAFT combo user

Together they are THE BEST combo for a street car.

Hmm, funny you say that. I frequent the DSMLink forum. As far as I can tell, it's always up in the air whether or not the MAF-T is really that accurate. I left mine at zero and adjust via DSMLink only. A lot of others take the time to emulate the stock MAF air metering and adjust accordingly...
And yes I would have to agree, that it's a great combo for the street and strip, although there are still guys over-running the 3" unit.

 

[jdm4g63]

I stand by the statement that I always make about dsmlink. I will buy it when they include the gm maf in the program so that I can use the maf without having to buy the translator. It has been in the works for a while now.

Oh and by the way, the gm maf is by far more accurate than any dsm mas. We are not talking about the actual translator system where by you make changes but rather the air metering system itself. I am not going to explain why it's better because there are too many threads on that subject and I read them so you should too.

Note: when someone say's maf they are talking about the actual sensor but if they say maft the extra t denotes mas air flow translator. (Keep in mind that this is only if they know what they are talking about.)

 

[98spydert]

I agree with the above, the actual MAFT is kind of a scetchy piece of equiptment, but the GM hot wire maf is a much better metering unit than the DSM pieces. I think the people who bad mouth the MAFT over at DSMlink forums are those who can't calibrate it right.

It'll be funny if DSMlink does support the GM sensor, a crap load of MAFTs would pop up on the trader all at once :laugh:

 

[jott5555]

i think i t would be great if ramchargers made a MAFT with out any of the tuneing parts. so that you could just use the gm maf for the airflow and not have to deal with the rest of the crap.

 

[98TalonTSi]

Oh and by the way, the gm maf is by far more accurate than any dsm mas. We are not talking about the actual translator system where by you make changes but rather the air metering system itself.

I misunderstood what you were saying. However, I don't think whether or not the GM MAF is more accurate than the DSM MAF or not because as of now, we still have to use the MAF-T to run the unit.
You're right there have been numerous threads about integrating it with DSMLink, but until that happens, I'm content with what I have.
98spydert, why would you think that those who bad mouth it can't calibrate it? I don't want to spend the time claibrating it...frankly, if you have a WB02 and some type of BAR sensor (whether GM 3BAR, AEM, MSD, etc.) and leave the GM MAFT at zeroes, keeping the AFR in check and laying down the numbers is all that really matters...

 

[DragGSX]

Prolly could search this and find it quicker but ive been up for 30hrs and im lazy right now...Can the GM MAF be installed in Blow threw and Draw threw? And do you have to adjust for it?

98spydert said: It's also more accurate to have the sensor right before the throttle body.

hes talkin about Blow threw right?

also...if i get the dsm link and GM maf...Do i need the translator?...I know it was talked about earlier but i want to be Clear on it

 

[ryu]

Prolly could search this and find it quicker but ive been up for 30hrs and im lazy right now...Can the GM MAF be installed in Blow threw and Draw threw? And do you have to adjust for it?

98spydert said: It's also more accurate to have the sensor right before the throttle body.

hes talkin about Blow threw right?

also...if i get the dsm link and GM maf...Do i need the translator?...I know it was talked about earlier but i want to be Clear on it

yes to everything but im not sure about "adjusting for blow or draw".

 

[Hammer_Gaidin]

Hey guys,
Are all of you GM-MAF users using the old 3inch style?? If so..has anyone tried the new 3.5inch style>?