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COMP/FP2 cam install and review *pics*

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alexg1323

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May 11, 2004
na, Michigan
Ive long needed cams to take full advantage of my set up and with all the talk of Forced Performances new comp grinds i decided to order a set. They came within a week and were well packaged. The total with shipping came out to $478. They really came with no indication of anything from FP except for a polished portion of the cam where a serial was engraved. (pic1)

My install went as any other cam install. Pretty basic if youve done any motor work to the 4g63 before. I had no issues getting the timing marks to align properly and no my head has never been milled either. The dowel pin for the exhaust cam when i put the sprocket on stuck out way to high not allowing the bolt to come down tight to the gear.(pic2) To my dissapointment with comps quality control i used a hammer as much as i didnt want to and lightly tapped the dowel pin in and that took care of that.

After finding the dowl pin so far out i started to wonder what else comp inspection had missed. I got out the 1-2 mic and started checking the lobes. The total height variation was from 1.4105 to 1.4085. Apparently they held the machining to a +/- 0.001 tolerance After then mic'ing the stocker i came up with a tolerance of +/- 0.0007 and an average of 1.3977 for a comparison. The comps did hold up for lobe variation with tight tolerances. The journals were without a question perfect and held up to the specs 1.0220 with a couple tenths variation.

Once again reassured with comps quality i installed the cams. The timing marks came up perfect without any issues. My after starting it up there was a definate change in idle. Its definatly obvious to the trained ear that the motor has cams. I lost about 3-4 inHG of vac and is now at 16-17inHG. Idle is slightly loopy at 800rpms but is probably also amplified from having ISC and FIAV removed. The exhaust is at a much lower note now also.

Intial run i was very impressed. It felt like the first time this motor has ever woken up in its 7,000 mile life. This was a much needed upgrade for me and once again opened up my power band. The pull is much harder and constantly increasing to redline. Im very happy with the money spent and made a night and day difference. Its undeniable how much faster the car is. worth the slight decress in idle. For anyone who knows dsmlink i went from 2.38 g/rev earlier that day to a max of 2.60 g/rev after the cams at 20 psi.
 
Cam specs for those who are interested

Intake: gross lift .411, cam lobe lift .239, adv. dur. @ .004 lift 259

Timing at .050 3 BTD 29 ABD
duration at .050 212

102 center line

Exhaust: gross lift .395, cam lobe lift .232, adv. dur. @ .004 lift 258

Timing at .050 46 BBD 14- ATD
duration at .050 212

120 center line
 
Nice review. Thanks for the info.


And, oh yeah - CLEAN YOUR CAR. :D
 
yea my talon becomes increasing beautiful under the hood (and valve cover) and worse and worse outside. Oh well.

G/rev is air flow per revolution im not sure if it is grams or not but its much more accurate way of watching airflow. I dont ever watch lbs/min because that can still be climbing with your rpms when in reality your motor cant take in anymore and your g/rev will be decreasing. So it can be desiving. Ill log lbs/min for you guys later this week if your interested. The stock cams started to fall off just over 6k rpms and dropped fast. The new cams have it still climbing to redline nicely, doesnt seem to plateu yet at 7200 rpms.
 
alexg1323 said:
yea my talon becomes increasing beautiful under the hood (and valve cover) and worse and worse outside. Oh well.

G/rev is air flow per revolution im not sure if it is grams or not but its much more accurate way of watching airflow. I dont ever watch lbs/min because that can still be climbing with your rpms when in reality your motor cant take in anymore and your g/rev will be decreasing. So it can be desiving. Ill log lbs/min for you guys later this week if your interested. The stock cams started to fall off just over 6k rpms and dropped fast. The new cams have it still climbing to redline nicely, doesnt seem to plateu yet at 7200 rpms.

Very interesting point about the g/rev. I see max g/rev at around 5400 rpms (2.85) with 21psi. It is still making power, but falls off to around 2.63@7k ...but like you said, the Airflow in lbs/min is still rising (41.4 lbs/min). I'm using a stock 2g head/manifold. I am seriously thinking about upgrading to a magnus intake for better top end. I would be really curious to see a log of your car @20 psi.
 
Yeah with my stock cams my g/rev would fall off right around 6k as well. The drop was ridiculous and it was apparent that i needed cams bad. I also got the fp2 and installed them when i did my 1g built head/intake manifold swap. Haven't looked back ever since :p
 
violator- man you are flowing quite a bit of air! Im only small step below you turbo wise but apparently that steps bigger then i thought??? Your car must be ridiculously worthless to nail it right now with massive power and fwd. I cant even stay glued right now. Ill post a log up here shortly but itll have to be a 1st thru 3rd because of a pending boost creep problem at top gear top RPM. With a tial 40mm? im thinkin bad diaphram but ill have to bring it back to tial there only like 10 min away. but post me one of your logs too.

You sorta have the same problem i had huge turbo that brings your power band way up but stock internals (your intake mani) drowning upper rpms. your power band is probably only around 3500-5400 which is so inconvienant. Id definatly ditch the stock manifold!
 
You have no idea :laugh: 2nd gear is pretty worthless cause it will just roast the tires when I punch it....3rd gear isn't so bad though. If you want to PM me your email and maybe we can compare logs etc so we don't detract from your nice writeup :thumb:
 
alexg1323 said:
The dowel pin for the exhaust cam when i put the sprocket on stuck out way to high not allowing the bolt to come down tight to the gear.(pic2) To my dissapointment with comps quality control i used a hammer as much as i didnt want to and lightly tapped the dowel pin in and that took care of that.

After finding the dowl pin so far out i started to wonder what else comp inspection had missed.

Just a little bit of extra info: Comp doesn't install the dowel pins. They ship without any pins at all.
 
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