Needs help on building a 10 second talon

[dylan98318]

i want to build a 10 second talon but i need help, i dont want it to do anything less than 10s. i have a 1990 6 bolt block with arp studs in it. i have je pistons which are 8.5:1 compression 0.020 over bore, and i also have eagle rods. there is a shop in my area that can build the block and one of the guys were telling me that he can knife edge the crank and also take pounds off of it which would make it much lighter. i have seen him do it to another dsm crank shaft and the weight difference of the cut crank to the stock crank is way different. the cut crank was about 5 pounds lighter and im thinking about doing that, that extra cutting of the crank would be like $800 alone just to do that and i would balance the whole engine with the flywheel pistons and rods. i want to know what performance i would get with a much lighter crank or would it not make a difference. anyway, thats all i want to do to the bottom end.

on the head, i want to do a 5 angle head job with 1mm over sized valves, i want hks cams, 272 degrees intake cam, and 272degrees exhaust cam. im not sure what valve springs and retainers i want to go with yet but i have my eye on ferrea.

i have a green turbo which i think is a 50 trim turbo and i dont really wanna change to another turbo. i have a honed out 2nd gen exhaust manifold and im thinking of getting one of those chrome looking tubular exhaust manifold. i have three inch exhaust system which is apexi. i have 680 injectors hacked 2nd gen mas. walbro fuel pump, act 2600 clutch, rebuilt tranny 2 gear syncro yadda, yadda, yadda. i think i want to get a aem fuel management controller computer, or a dsm link which would be way cheaper.
i would like someone to help me out and tell me what i should get or what i should do and what i should not do. i dont want any mistakes so thats why im on here asking for help.
so again- i have in my car a stock dsm engine, bolt ons are green turbo, tial wastegate 40mm, honed 2nd gen exhaust mann, 3 inch exhaust, 2nd gen mas, rebuilt tranny 2 dog dif, clutch act2600, super afc 2, eprom computer stage three chip, walbro fuel pump, 680 injectors.
i have seperate a 6 bolt block with arp studs.
please help me if you have any thoughts on how i can make my 1990 eagle talon do 10 seconds.

 

[n3gativerr0r]

I read like 2 lines and the lack of punctuation and structure burned my eyes.

 

[Da Dymer]

i want to build a 10 second talon but i need help, i dont want it to do anything less than 10s. i have a 1990 6 bolt block with arp studs in it. i have je pistons which are 8.5:1 compression 0.020 over bore, and i also have eagle rods. there is a shop in my area that can build the block and one of the guys were telling me that he can knife edge the crank and also take pounds off of it which would make it much lighter. i have seen him do it to another dsm crank shaft and the weight difference of the cut crank to the stock crank is way different. the cut crank was about 5 pounds lighter and im thinking about doing that, that extra cutting of the crank would be like $800 alone just to do that and i would balance the whole engine with the flywheel pistons and rods. i want to know what performance i would get with a much lighter crank or would it not make a difference. anyway, thats all i want to do to the bottom end.

on the head, i want to do a 5 angle head job with 1mm over sized valves, i want hks cams, 272 degrees intake cam, and 272degrees exhaust cam. im not sure what valve springs and retainers i want to go with yet but i have my eye on ferrea.

i have a green turbo which i think is a 50 trim turbo and i dont really wanna change to another turbo. i have a honed out 2nd gen exhaust manifold and im thinking of getting one of those chrome looking tubular exhaust manifold. i have three inch exhaust system which is apexi. i have 680 injectors hacked 2nd gen mas. walbro fuel pump, act 2600 clutch, rebuilt tranny 2 gear syncro yadda, yadda, yadda. i think i want to get a aem fuel management controller computer, or a dsm link which would be way cheaper.
i would like someone to help me out and tell me what i should get or what i should do and what i should not do. i dont want any mistakes so thats why im on here asking for help.
so again- i have in my car a stock dsm engine, bolt ons are green turbo, tial wastegate 40mm, honed 2nd gen exhaust mann, 3 inch exhaust, 2nd gen mas, rebuilt tranny 2 dog dif, clutch act2600, super afc 2, eprom computer stage three chip, walbro fuel pump, 680 injectors.
i have seperate a 6 bolt block with arp studs.
please help me if you have any thoughts on how i can make my 1990 eagle talon do 10 seconds.

You want a 10 second car...buy mine.......it went 9.89 @ 149.72 on the dyno....$25,000

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

You want a 10 second car...buy mine.......it went 9.89 @ 149.72 on the dyno....$25,000

I seriously hope you're kidding.

 

[dustyb]

no mirage you asked the wrong person if they were kidding. you should ask dylan if he's kidding, geez.... no way in hell you're gonna afford to push a 1990 down the track in ten seconds. you have too much drivetrain loss in an awd to achieve that in most cars unless you dish out the serious bucks (25,000......for instance.)...... and hell, if i could shell out 25,000 for a car, i'd just have myself a skyline imported to the united states fer meh to cruise in.

 

[treebonker]

geez.... no way in hell you're gonna afford to push a 1990 down the track in ten seconds. you have too much drivetrain loss in an awd to achieve that in most cars unless you dish out the serious bucks(25,000......for instance.)......

Why the unecessary BS remark?:thumbdown While I cant suggest any professional advise, I admire his enthusiasm and want to wish him best of luck.

BTW, Money aint gonna get you low ET's, gotta know how to tune.

 

[dylan98318]

Why the unecessary BS remark?:thumbdown While I cant suggest any professional advise, I admire his enthusiasm and want to wish him best of luck.

BTW, Money aint gonna get you low ET's, gotta know how to tune.

hey dude, i like that attitude, i dont know whats wrong with that guy that sounds like he doesnt believe my car will ever get to 10 seconds. i believe that my car will do 10s and thats what im going for. i dont want to do 11s, not good enough. ohh yeah, i dont want to buy a car thats doing 9s or 10s, its a dream of mine to make my car do 10s or better.

hey dude with the car thats doing 9s, how about you post what mods you have in your car.

 

[burldude]

Check his vehicle profile , its pretty complete.

 

[Jazzie6044]

uhh... i hate it when idiots throw there opinions around like they know whats going. I just happen to have a friend who has a 1990 eclipse running in the 10s. gosh, whoda thunk it. I know he has a lot of money in it, but hes built and tuned it all himself.

 

[dylan98318]

is it possible to do 10s with a dsm link or should i just get an aem stand alone computer.

 

[dylan98318]

uhh... i hate it when idiots throw there opinions around like they know whats going. I just happen to have a friend who has a 1990 eclipse running in the 10s. gosh, whoda thunk it. I know he has a lot of money in it, but hes built and tuned it all himself.

what kind of fuel management is your friend running on his eclipse?

 

[markgholland]

First lesson. Money will not get you a 10-second DSM. Like someone said before, you have to be able to take those expensive parts that you have bought and use them to their efficiency.

There have been some stupid things said in this thread... let me start.

no way in hell you're gonna afford to push a 1990 down the track in ten seconds.

Why not? You have no idea what his financial situation is.

you have too much drivetrain loss in an awd to achieve that in most cars unless you dish out the serious bucks (25,000......for instance.)...... and hell, if i could shell out 25,000 for a car, i'd just have myself a skyline imported to the united states fer meh to cruise in.

Refer to www.dsmtimes.org and look how many AWD cars have gone 10's. Are you still telling me that there is too much drivetrain loss in an AWD?

i believe that my car will do 10s and thats what im going for. i dont want to do 11s, not good enough. ohh yeah, i dont want to buy a car thats doing 9s or 10s, its a dream of mine to make my car do 10s or better.

Let me guess, you want to do it on pump gas right? So you have a 10-second car like on the Fast and the Furious?

I really think that you should consider building a 12-second car before you start buying parts. Do you think that you have the tuning abilities to make a 10-second car?

This should be an interesting reply...

 

[GSX_RCR]

I don't know if this guy is BS'ing us in here, or that he is really that much of a noob? Either way, it's going to take more than a few $$, quite a bit of time, and some decent drivnig skills to run 10's in a "street" car. But in an attempt to prolong this thread:

1) I wouldn't suggest knife edging the crank. There are plenty of guys running quick times with the stock crank. Besides, having a piece of metal spinning @ 7-8k rpms, I'd want it to be as structually sound as possible, if you get my drift.

2) Ferrea valvetrain is good.

3) The FP Green has gone 10's. So has a ported 2G exhaust manifold. Those "chrome and shiny" tubular manifolds are nice, but make sure it doesn't say OBX on it.

Stick around and do some more research. Also, I'd suggest shooting for 12's first before going straight to 10's. If 11's aren't enough for you, then you probably haven't ran an 11 yet.

 

[dylan98318]

First lesson. Money will not get you a 10-second DSM. Like someone said before, you have to be able to take those expensive parts that you have bought and use them to their efficiency.

There have been some stupid things said in this thread... let me start.



Why not? You have no idea what his financial situation is.



Refer to www.dsmtimes.org and look how many AWD cars have gone 10's. Are you still telling me that there is too much drivetrain loss in an AWD?



Let me guess, you want to do it on pump gas right? So you have a 10-second car like on the Fast and the Furious?

I really think that you should consider building a 12-second car before you start buying parts. Do you think that you have the tuning abilities to make a 10-second car?

This should be an interesting reply...

dude, i know someone right now running 10s on pump gas, i think he's shooting also, my dream is to do 10s in my talon, 11's arent good enough, i want to put the best parts in my car and my only probablem from doing 10s should be tuning it, ill get a top class shop to tune my car. money isnt a problem, i love my car, thats my hobby,doing 10s in my car is a dream of mine and it will become a reality

 

[markgholland]

What was the purpose of this thread again? If you have your mind set on 10's do it and prove me wrong. Are you going to run your 10 with that green? Have fun!

Oh yea, you won't do it with pump gas. I have seen one person run a 10 with pump, and it would be safe to say that he's a "guru." I'm sure there are more that have done it. Someone that is posting on this board going through his wishlist is never going to do it. Harsh reality.

 

[importracr317]

talk to Harry, he can hook you up with 2 10 lbs. bottles of NOS, that way you can beat Dom at the street races tonight.

seriously, big turbo, lots of fuel, built tranny and plenty of traction will net you 10's, but not without tuning everything perfectly.

 

[boostineklipz]

I would just take a briefcase full of money and drop it off at Extreme Motorsports.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

I would just take a briefcase full of money and drop it off at Extreme Motorsports.

Haha, that's easily his best bet!

:laugh:

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

well, i think i made a post once a while back saying that a certain thread was the most retarded group of posts i have ever seen. i retract that statement.

THIS thread is the biggest collection of idiocy i have ever seen in one thread.

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

well, i think i made a post once a while back saying that a certain thread was the most retarded group of posts i have ever seen. i retract that statement.

THIS thread is the biggest collection of idiocy i have ever seen in one thread.

No, the titanium engine definitly topped this one. Maybe this is the same guy, coming back around wanting a 10 second ride instead of a 14k revving one

 

[boostedinaz]

Oh man.

Ok I will say this. There are many people that have run 10's in a DSM and a FEW that have done it on pump gas. What do they all have in common? They all went 13's first, then 12's, 11's, and finally 10's or faster. I have been in the car culture for along time an I have learned that anyone who asks a question like this will never accomplish what they want. They wont do it becasue they dont have the knowledge to do it. It takes ALOT more than buying and installing the parts and having someone else tune it. You have to know how to drive and keep that car living. You also have to knwo how to trouble shoot if something goes wrong. Say you have your Super Shop tune the car perfect and get the most HP power out of it. You go to the track and it is very humid and the density alltitude has gone up a 1000ft. How do you tune to make you car run well in those conditions? It will most likey have a bit of knock, but you have no idea how to tune it so you are screwed.


People that run tens do it casue they have the knowledge to do so. They gained that knowledge by starting small and learning things as they went. Try learing first then come back.

 

[n3gativerr0r]

^^^^ One of the best " I want to go really fast plz tell me how " responses Ive read

 

[BAD-TSi]

well, i think i made a post once a while back saying that a certain thread was the most retarded group of posts i have ever seen. i retract that statement.

THIS thread is the biggest collection of idiocy i have ever seen in one thread.

Bwahaha!! Werd!

 

[dylan98318]

Hey Dudes, All The Negetive Talks I Will Just Ignore. I Have A Little Idea About Tuning The Car And I Have A Few Know How Skill To Get By For Minor Problems. Dudes, I Am Around Racing And Cars Being Modified All The Time. I Will Achieve My Goal Of 10s, I Have Total Confidence. Listen, My Money Will Get Me To Do Tens Cause Its My Goal And Thats What I Will Accomplish. Have A Nice Day.

 

[leet]

Listen, My Money Will Get Me To Do Tens Cause Its My Goal And Thats What I Will Accomplish. Have A Nice Day.

Money is only 1/3 of the equation.

Learn the other two, and you will be set.