Looking for "engine" corporation ,Coates head

[burldude]

Well Coates has said they will build a prototype for the 4g63 . I must get back to them with information needed . Iam looking for any engine shop that is large enough to handle the task . This will be a pre production run to be fit on cars that Will receive high publicity . Is Shep out there ? Is Bruschur ? Once again I need to speak with a corporated engine shop about possible business . This would end valve interferance and bring the flow rates of the head up . No more floating valves . Here is the link to Coates . With enough time and patience it will come to be an after market product .

http://www.coatesengine.com/index.html

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

Did they give you a quote on the price?

Why not call a big shop? I don't think anyone on here is going to take you seriously.

 

[hostile]

Jackson Auto Machine does some pretty trick stuff for the 4g63. You might give them a ring.

It seems like if they are goign to build it all they would need is a stock head to look at and a block.

Why do they need another engine company?

 

[ballagsx]

i have never heard of this before do they do each head on an order by order basis or do they mas produce? it looks like if you were to break a timing belt no damage would be done. that could be a plus in the dsm community, that is if the heads a are good and not a gimmic.

 

[98spydert]

I don't think anyone on here is going to take you seriously.

Unfortunatly, this is probably true. I would also suggest contacting larger DSM shops directly.

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

I hope he has better grammar on the phone than he does on here. How old are you anyways burldude?

 

[autronicDSM]

I think this guy is playing a big joke on everybody.

 

[leet]

Autronic, we should start a tuner's pool on how many engines he will go through.

I am curious where he is getting all the money for this 'project'.

EDIT: I know Magnus makes a destroked 4g64. It displaces 2.1 liters instead of 2.4

If anyone would have the info you are looking for, it would probably be them.

 

[FireyIce01]

Autronic, we should start a tuner's pool on how many engines he will go through.

I am curious where he is getting all the money for this 'project'.

EDIT: I know Magnus makes a destroked 4g64. It displaces 2.1 liters instead of 2.4

If anyone would have the info you are looking for, it would probably be them.

Did you even look at the link? The company has had prototype heads with over 150,000 miles of testing put on them... I'm almost giddy to see that they're willing to make a DSM version...

 

[leet]

Yeah, I looked at it. I also know that I don't need a titanium car.

If he actually gets this off the ground, great. Until then, considering how he has composed himself in previous posts, I will remain suspect.

 

[FireyIce01]

Yeah, I looked at it. I also know that I don't need a titanium car.

If he actually gets this off the ground, great. Until then, considering how he has composed himself in previous posts, I will remain suspect.

The titanium thing is his project... this rotary head thing is a corporation that's actually been using it on several test platforms.... the fact that they said that they would produce a 4g63 version is a positive step. I would really like to get one of these heads and see how well it actually works... Ironically I contacted them about it shortly before he posted that he got response, so I'm hoping I hear something about it soon.

 

[Defiant]

I don't hear the wingbeats of stinky, really brown monkeys yet.

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

The titanium thing is his project... this rotary head thing is a corporation that's actually been using it on several test platforms.... the fact that they said that they would produce a 4g63 version is a positive step. I would really like to get one of these heads and see how well it actually works... Ironically I contacted them about it shortly before he posted that he got response, so I'm hoping I hear something about it soon.

Are you burldude's duplicate account? You always come to his rescue, now you magically found this place right before he did? It's hard to fathom that there are actually two of burldude's in the gene pool...

 

[FireyIce01]

Are you burldude's duplicate account? You always come to his rescue, now you magically found this place right before he did? It's hard to fathom that there are actually two of burldude's in the gene pool...

Reread my post, someone else found this place and posted it on one or burl's threads... I merely said I e-mailed them just before he posted that they said they would do a 4g63 head. Maybe they looked at the response and saw that there was more than a single person that wanted one of these, ran it by whoever, and wrote back to the guy that wrote them first... *shrugs* I don't know... however I wouldn't say I'm coming to his rescue... I just don't know why everyone feels the need to tell him that he can't do what he wants to do... technology changes, new things are discovered... yes, a 14k redline 4g63 is a bit out there... but it isn't impossible... I would think a custom set of main caps and maybe a good girdle setup to hold the bottom end together would be in order... a destroked knifeedge crank with a very short stroke... it's not a cheap project, but it isn't impossible...

Furthermore, just because I'm fairly new here doesn't mean I'm a complete idiot. I may not know everything there is to know about everything like you do, but I do know the basic workings of an engine, and I know how to use a search function, and I know how to research things... I've been lusting after a new (new to me used to whoever I get it from) 2g eclipse ever since I sold mine... and yes, I know how to drive the car at speed. I also know how to build motors... and I do tend to do custom things... I have a '77 hornet that came with a 304 V8 and a 904 tranny... it's got a 360 with a turbo400 in it now... so I know how to do custom auto work too...

I'm just tired of reading all these personal attacks when people are trying to come up with new and unique ideas... if it won't work, tell why, and leave it at that... if they disagree or don't want to listen, what are you going to be able to do anyway?

 

[burldude]

Here is the response from Coates . I believe that if enough people show interest Coates will see the profit . Maybe in time, they will see the aftermarket (sports car) community as a viable market . Only time will tell . I will continue to endevor to bring new technology to my car . In other words, SWAMP THEM WITH MAIL! Do it tastefully let them know that there is interest . They are after the big diesel market, Which are turbo engines for the most part . They are after cleaner emissions and getting the grants for billions of dollars . We might not have billions, but they have to consider us as a market first .



Dear Mr James

Please let us know if you are interested in this prototype head for
your
corporation or as an individual. We only deal with corporations and
will
need all the pertinent information on your company and all technical
data
before we can tell you if we can do this. Confidentiality agreements
will
also have to be signed. Thank you for your interest in the Coates
technology and I look forward to your reply.

Kindest regards,
Sincerely,
Sharon Dunn/Communications Manager

-----Original Message-----
From: jeremy james [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Import Market


Hello,

I am currently developing a prototype motor
consisting of titanium components supplied by many
manufacturers. Crower , Manly , and Delwest. I believe
that Your spherical valve head may be the key
ingredient to a successful venture. The motor we are
developing this concept on is the 4g63 , both proven
and reliable. The consensus is that this motor has one
drastic flaw. During the event that the timing belt
may break the piston and valves may come into contact.
I would certainly like to discuss the availability of
a prototype head manufactured for this existing motor.
Please let us know of the availability and
requirements expected in order to test this unit.

Thank You,
Jeremy James , Head engineer.

 

[turbotaichi]

you are killing me.

 

[Velo7825]

The only way I see this actually being made for the 4g63 any time soon would be to get a lease of their patent and CNC a head your self. Or if a company starts that will make retrofit heads for older cars. If I had 3 million to invest in a company thats what i would do.

I do CAD work with Pro/e so if you get a lease I'm willing to help do the 3d modeling and CNC code.

 

[burldude]

The only way I see this actually being made for the 4g63 any time soon would be to get a lease of their patent and CNC a head your self. Or if a company starts that will make retrofit heads for older cars. If I had 3 million to invest in a company thats what i would do.

I do CAD work with Pro/e so if you get a lease I'm willing to help do the 3d modeling and CNC code.

Well see what "we " can get torether . I dont see this as happening anytime soon but progress is being made . I will keep after it . I know some people and will see what happens .

 

[Diplomat]

"I'm just tired of reading all these personal attacks when people are trying to come up with new and unique ideas... if it won't work, tell why, and leave it at that... if they disagree or don't want to listen, what are you going to be able to do anyway?" - FireyIce01

I'm glad someone finally spoke up. I've refrained from saying anything in all of the other threads, but enough is enough. If you have some constructive criticism to post, by all means, go ahead. Not only for the benefit of the thread starter, but for the rest of us reading the posts. It's nice to have several perspectives on whatever the issue may be. However, if your only reason for posting is to torment someone, then take it to PM's, the Hangout, or (god forbid) bite your damn tongue. This type of input is not necessary, nor is it desired and it certainly does not benefit the DSM community.

Sorry for going off topic.

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[Maglin]

Well the idea is a good one for the CSRV Head design. Rotory valves. Hum. Build a SOLID bottom end and your RPM threshold goes through the roof. You could easily see like 12-13K motors. And turbo lag. Well anthing that spools under 5K would be considered good as you are going to be able to make some serious power with this application. If someone was to give me a head with CSRV to beat on I would hella beat the crap out of it until I threw a rod through my 6 bolt. But on the flip side something like this is going to cost more than the car it's self. I would probably say the first 50 or so would be uppwards of 7-8K if not more. But I'll be kepting my eye on this. Thanks for posting this.

 

[FireyIce01]

Contacted a machine shop in my area Comptech They don't exactly specialize in DSMs... more like honda and acura mostly, but I had them do some work on my AMC 304 a couple years back, and they do good work, so maybe they'll come to the Dark Side of Motorsports

Hopefully I'll find something out by the end of the week

 

[ballagsx]

even if the heads are spendy i could see my selfe investing in one because not only is there power potential but if the timing belt breaks you are safe. it could potentialy save money.

 

[!^3]

We might not have billions, but they have to consider us as a market first .

Are you familiar with how the business world works at all? It sure isn't charity.

The technology looks very cool. Probability that it will make its way to the aftermarket? Slim. These guys will be selling to Toyota, GM, Ford, etc. Sadly, the aftermarket would not even amount to 1/10th of a percent of what these guys are really after.

Added to the fact that the 4g63 in our cars is no longer produced the way it is. Even better, Mitsubishi will need an act of God to keep them from bankruptcy in the next few years

 

[Velo7825]

The only thing a company would need to bring this to the aftermarket is a lease of their patent. Making the heads would be relatively simple because most of the work is already done in our OEM heads. All you would have to do is adapt the new valve system to it. Since the Rotary Valve heads require no Oil at all and only water cooling in the lower section you could mill these on a CNC lathe out of billet Aluminum.

But will the Coates lease their patent? And how much would it cost?

If they will lease it and you got some money you could make a truck load off of this in just retrofit applications.

 

[thekellbeast]

That does make you think though. If it was such a great thing, the top auto makers would be scrambling all over it.