6 bolt swap in an A/t

[4g63swap]

ok just need to know if you need to put the adapter plates for the flex palte when doing a swap or do they get left out looks like this 1G : | : { =adapter plates, |=flex plate, { torque converter) or should it look like this |{?


thanks

 

[kiggly]

The larger issue is the converter will bottom out in the front pump and tear it up. This happens with a 2g trans and a 6-bolt. I designed a spacer plate to fix this problem and still have a couple left if you're interested (just email me). I see you're from Michigan - if you are local to the Detroit area I can show you why it doesn't work without a spacer.

Kevin

 

[4g63swap]

think that you could explain that a little better then just telling me that I need what you have? I don't have the money to just give away to anyone who swys "Oh ya it only works with this part"

thanks

 

[transdude]

think that you could explain that a little better then just telling me that I need what you have? I don't have the money to just give away to anyone who swys "Oh ya it only works with this part"

thanks

A) Kiggly isn't just anyone- he's got one of the fastest a/t DSMs in the world. Only one of two that are in the nines (with a trans that he built himself).

B) Is it better to look into a spacer, or to break your trans on initial start-up?

C) You just asked a question and got the only correct answer that I've ever heard to that particular question.

D) If we are lucky enough to have experts come onto this forum, we should treat them with the respect that they deserve or I assure you that they will stop coming and this will turn into a useless resource.

There are better ways to ask a question, for example, one can simply ask, "Can you give me more information on this spacer?"- You will be much more likely to get an answer.

Just my .02

-John

 

[howie3]

Could not have said it better myself transdude, thanks I was considering a swap myself and just wanted to know how much is involved as far as special pieces like that spacer, which by the way I would be very thank full to get one of those spacers from Kiggly , or anything or info that I need. Thank you for all the information passed through these forums. Keep up the good work. Thanks again.

 

[4g63swap]

first off sorry about the sarcasim in my last post I had a rough night and this morning when I read that it wasn't what I wanted to here(plus I didn't know who this person was for all I know he could have been selling a flux capacitor ) and I have had some people in the past try to sell me stuff that isn't realy needed, needless to say I was in the wrong and apologize for my stupidity(sp) and spelling, in that case can I get a bit more info on this spacer?



sorry and thanks
4g63swap

 

[boostedone]

kiggly wrote,

see you're from Michigan - if you are local to the Detroit area I can show you why it doesn't work without a spacer

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What physical differences in the way a 6bolt mates to a 2g tranny that causes the torque converter to bottom out.(less space between the tranny and the block and thus leaving the converter with less room?.)

I was reading in the tech section where one member claimed to have solved the front pump from being trashed by doing the following:-

mocked the 7 bolt with the crank installed into the car and and took meashurements of the tqs play and flywheel orentation to the tq . I then did the same to the 6 bolt and found there was excessive preshure on the tq . I set the blocks side by side and discovered the tq bushing in the crank in the 6 bolt is stepped and the 7 boltis not . The step caused the tq to be pushed in to the frount pump .This was an easy fix a 6 pack of bud ice and a quick trip to by friends machine shop to bore out the I.D. of the bushing and problem salved .

I on the other have already trashed one front pump and was looking to solve the problem the second time around. I guess my question is, does the spacer compensate for the above mentioned step, and whom have had luck with which method?.

 

[98TalonTSi]

I'd imagine it does, as Kiggly runs one in his car...
IPT and Kiggly came together and offer the adaptor plate on IPTs website...

 

[4g63swap]

well let me tell you my story I used a differnt approach then kigglys......when I first looked into doing a swap I was told to use the nontubor 3 eared flex plate and get the TC moddified so thats what I did. in doing this I found out that I needed to use just a 16th inch spacer between the trans and motor to get the right amount of clearence. so got four washers check that they had the same thickness (digital guaged it) and what do you know all done everything works just great except I think I have a bad head gasket which is unrelated.

 

[boostedone]

when I first looked into doing a swap I was told to use the nontubor 3 eared flex plate and get the TC moddified so thats what I did. in doing this I found out that I needed to use just a 16th inch spacer between the trans and motor to get the right amount of clearence. so got four washers check that they had the same thickness (digital guaged it) and what do you know all done everything works just great except I think I have a bad head gasket which is unrelated.

thank you for the response. In what way did you modify the converter?. The only thing I know that you have to modify is the flex plate. I have a 9.5 billet converter-does this eliminate the need to modify the converter?.

For those people who have done successfully can you explain what the plate that is offered by IPT is for. I know it stops the torque converter from bottoming out but i guess what I want to know is why the converter bottoms out on 6bolt .

Hopefully Mr. Kiggly can chime in. I would greatly appreciate.

PS. I know there are many people who are going to say to buy the kit because it works. But my concern is to also understand how it works.

 

[jlsperok]

I believe it is the crank bushing being stepped, as mentioned earlier which makes the offset 1/4" different between the two setups. This 1/4" is enough to to put the excess pressure on the tranny pump and wipe it out. Something needs to be done to compensate for this 1/4" difference, which is why you see the two different solutions: one is boring out the ID of the crank bushing, while the second is the the 1/4" spacer plate. Both accomplish the same thing.

 

[1fastmitsu]

hey i am in the same boat here i need a spacer ? and where can i get this from how much and does anyone have the link .any info will be awsome .