Full sound system... good yes/no

[cHz]

I'm picking up a new full, complete system, including head unit, speakers, amps, and subs. I'm trying to get a full Pioneer system and here is what I'm going to get, let me know if everything will work/sound okay...

http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIOAVHP5700DVD
Head Unit

http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIOGMD510M
Amp for Subs

http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIOTSW306C
(2)Subs

http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIOTSA1781R
Front Speakers

http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIOTSA6961R
Rear Speakers

Then, I want to get an amp to power the speakers, any suggestions, preferablly a Pioneer.

 

[cHz]

http://cgi.ebay.com/AVIC-N1-Pioneer...881640409QQcategoryZ79834QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Maybe even that head unit since it comes with navigation.

 

[snyper1982]

Any reason in particular you are stuck on pioneer? MTX, Kicker, Eclipse, all make better (personal opinion) products for a similar price. BTW the amp you picked out for your sub is on back order from the store you listed.

 

[cHz]

I just like Pioneer for some reason, but I didn't order anything yet, just seeing what others though before I did.

 

[dr1ftx3]

I did Pioneer for my headunit, and Alpine for everything else. The Alpine type S speakers sound really great by the way, i'd check them out.

 

[cHz]

http://cgi.ebay.com/06-ALPINE-SPS-6...881148408QQcategoryZ14942QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Are those the ones you were referring to drift?

 

[bmason]

why would u go with all poineer i think they are pure junk i have had both the subs and the speakers and they both sound like pure ass and the sub blew with 250rms amp and the speakers blew from a stock sony explode head unit i would highly suggest something differnt and dont get all 1 brand because some companys are good at certian things as suck at others

 

[NitroTalon]

i would say go with alpine, yes you pay alot for it but you get the quality. that or Diamond Audio again you pay for it but its well worth it, awsome base and crisp sound. The only decks i would ever pay for is alpine and eclipse, in my mind the only 2 worth money

 

[Woot]

Here is where I see what may be a problem.
Your amp is putting out 500 watts rms at a 2ohm load.
Your speakers are good for 400 watts rms and you said you will have 2 of em.
Wont that mean out of the 500 watts comming out of your amp, each sub is only going
to receive 250 watts? Someone correct me if i'm mistaken.

 

[cHz]

Here is where I see what may be a problem.
Your amp is putting out 500 watts rms at a 2ohm load.
Your speakers are good for 400 watts rms and you said you will have 2 of em.
Wont that mean out of the 500 watts comming out of your amp, each sub is only going
to receive 250 watts? Someone correct me if i'm mistaken.

I'm getting two amps. One to support the 4 speakers, 2 rear panels and 2 door panel speakers and another amp to support the 2 subs.

 

[Woot]

I'm getting two amps. One to support the 4 speakers, 2 rear panels and 2 door panel speakers and another amp to support the 2 subs.

Well in your first post you did say (amp for subs)
so i figured (one amp)

Anyway besides that fact, even if you bought 2 of em for each sub, the amps
are only putting out 300 rms into subs which should have a rms of 400 watts.
The thing is the subs sound better when you run them as close to the rms rating as possible.
Now you maybe say hey, whatever, its only 100 watts off but I would rather have a more powerfull amp turned down then cranked.
Also as stated above by bmason, pioneer isn't the best so I couldn't say how well it will hold up.
But hey, its your money and spend it how you wish, my personal opinion is don't cut corners to save a buck. Do it smart and right the first time.
Good luck.

 

[NitroTalon]

Well in your first post you did say (amp for subs)
so i figured (one amp)

Anyway besides that fact, even if you bought 2 of em for each sub, the amps
are only putting out 300 rms into subs which should have a rms of 400 watts.
The thing is the subs sound better when you run them as close to the rms rating as possible.
Now you maybe say hey, whatever, its only 100 watts off but I would rather have a more powerfull amp turned down then cranked.
Also as stated above by bmason, pioneer isn't the best so I couldn't say how well it will hold up.
But hey, its your money and spend it how you wish, my personal opinion is don't cut corners to save a buck. Do it smart and right the first time.
Good luck.

x2 Damn glad you know your stuff. i think its good to get a 1000 watt mono amp to power 2 500 watt subs, belive that makes sence

 

[Brett Roukey]

You should definitly look into other brands beforehand. I realized pioneer is relatively good sound for the price but there are alot of quality options if you spend a little more money. The
amp is kind of weak, but you have the right idea going mono channel. As far as sound goes, it really depends what music you listen too. If you like rock, then spend more on your speakers dont worry so much about subs for now, and grab a nice 1000w 4 channel amp. Everything thinks subs, subs, subs. But all they produce is loud, obnoxious undirectional sound. If you like rap then id say you still need to worry about speakers and how to power them but definitly pay more attention to your subs.

 

[cHz]

Alright then.... since you guys have so many objections , I'll let you build me a system. I'm still going to roll with the Alpine Type S speakers, so pick me out subs and 2 amps.

A 4-channel amp: Around $150 for these speakers http://cgi.ebay.com/06-ALPINE-SPS-69...cm dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/06-ALPINE-SPS-1...876356622QQcategoryZ18799QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A mono channel amp: Around $220

(2) 12" Subs: Around $150

 

[fr33b1rth]

here you go:

2x Hifonics ZS12 12" Zeus $79.98
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_2172.html

Visonik VXD709 600WRMS@2ohm Class D $129.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_4151.html

Alpine MRP-F250 4chan amp $149.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6472.html

Clarion ProAudio DXZ655MP MP3 head unit $159.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_3487.html

Lanzar OPTIKITCAP0 0 Gauge Dual Amp Kit + 2.4F Capacitor $199.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_5162.html

Dual 12" 3/4 MDF Sealed Subwoofer Enclosure $39.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_1583.html

JL Audio XA-CLRAIC2-18 2chan RCA's to hook up to the sub amp $24.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6037.html

JL Audio XA-CLRAIC4-18 4chan RCA's to hook up to the speaker amp $34.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6038.html

Visonik VS1850RX 50ft speaker wire for the full range spakers $2.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_2009.html

There you go, everything to make everything work. 0ga wire with a full kit so you can hook up both amps and it comes with a cap. great subs, i install them quite a bit. if you don't know anything about hifonics, try to read up on them. that 4chan amp sounds awsome, and the deck is great.

 

[bmason]

wtf r u on crack i didnt read everyting u had but why in ####s sack would he need a 0 guage amp kits thats ####ing crazy

 

[GSntncT]

I prefer Kenwood/MTX myself. More quality at a better price IMO.

 

[snyper1982]

here you go:

2x Hifonics ZS12 12" Zeus $79.98
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_2172.html

Visonik VXD709 600WRMS@2ohm Class D $129.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_4151.html

Alpine MRP-F250 4chan amp $149.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6472.html

Clarion ProAudio DXZ655MP MP3 head unit $159.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_3487.html

Lanzar OPTIKITCAP0 0 Gauge Dual Amp Kit + 2.4F Capacitor $199.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_5162.html

Dual 12" 3/4 MDF Sealed Subwoofer Enclosure $39.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_1583.html

JL Audio XA-CLRAIC2-18 2chan RCA's to hook up to the sub amp $24.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6037.html

JL Audio XA-CLRAIC4-18 4chan RCA's to hook up to the speaker amp $34.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6038.html

Visonik VS1850RX 50ft speaker wire for the full range spakers $2.99
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_2009.html

There you go, everything to make everything work. 0ga wire with a full kit so you can hook up both amps and it comes with a cap. great subs, i install them quite a bit. if you don't know anything about hifonics, try to read up on them. that 4chan amp sounds awsome, and the deck is great.

He doesn't need a cap. And he sure as hell doesnt need 0 AWG wire. Caps are a waste of money.... They look nice and work great as paper weight though.

 

[Woot]

maybe a better alt no? atleast one that puts out 150 amps.

 

[cHz]

Alright, , I'm still waiting for a system, come on guys I know you want to build me one with the budget I posted.

 

[Jeff_Ferrara]

I prefer Kenwood/MTX myself. More quality at a better price IMO.

yeah i agree, i have some kenwoods they sound awesome!

 

[snyper1982]

Here is a sub amp:
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=276


Your sub price is unreaonsable for decent subs, I would reccomend 1 good sub for that price rather than two cheap ones. Check out this sub:

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2188

And here is a 4 channel amp for you:
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=272

I personally would reccomend getting an even better quality sub. I would say an IDMax 12" Dual 4 ohm or a JL 12W6-V2. It will run you about twice as much though. If you arent into competitions, a single 12 inch sub in an eclipse is more than enough, you will have to turn down your gains to keep the sub from overpowering the sest of the system. So unless you like to hear strictly bass, then I would say stick to a single 12 or maybe dual 10's.

 

[Attack Eagle]

I'm not going to baby you by shopping for you. Especially when you didn't (despite your sarcastical comment) post a budget.

I will tell you that ONE JBL 755.6 on 4 ga wiring is enough amp for your car unless you plan on competing. But it is a large footprint amp. you can't hide it anywhere.

I will also tell you that one set of JBL gto 6" components will blow those pioneers away, as will one JBL power 12 d2 in terms of quality. The shop I worked for sells alpine, kicker, pioneer, JBL, Diamond, and PG. Of all of them, the 3 JBL lines sound the best for speakers and amps, and the upper two JBL lines are teh best subs. GTO subs are great but you need two to equal one Power series sub, so its cheaper to get teh better sub in the end. it has better sensitivity, and double the excursion of the GTO.
it's ludicrous but the JBL GTO 6.5 component set at $179 retail out played the expensive hex series Diamonds... (not to mention Kickers, alpine type Rs etc, anything under $600 except the other JBLs was no match for it!) I sold a LOT of JBLs when I was there.

As far as rear speakers I have alpines just because they fit. they are turned down so low that you canna barely hear them anyway, just fill. IF I was going to play them louder I would have done what ever I could to fit JBL GTO 2 ways.

 

[remmargorp]

Elemental Designs for your subwoofer(s) (look into the 13Kv.2's for your needs)

Opinions are just that, opinions. The same product does not sound the same to everyone. Just because a brand name is attached to the product or a price tag is high for the product does not make it sound any better. All of the "brand name" companies make a lot of crappy products, all of the "brand name" companies make a lot of good products (the same goes with non-brand names companies).

I do agree with snyper1982's comment (however I would suggest an IDQ 12" Dual 4 instead of the IDMax)

I also agree with Attack Eagle's comment about posting a budget.

If you want serious help, you need to post a budget to work with

 

[snyper1982]

Alright then.... since you guys have so many objections , I'll let you build me a system. I'm still going to roll with the Alpine Type S speakers, so pick me out subs and 2 amps.

A 4-channel amp: Around $150 for these speakers http://cgi.ebay.com/06-ALPINE-SPS-69...cm dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/06-ALPINE-SPS-1...876356622QQcategoryZ18799QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A mono channel amp: Around $220

(2) 12" Subs: Around $150

He did post a budget.....

Wow, forgot all about ED. Have not heard about them in such a long time. Never did get around to checking out any of their stuff but never heard anything bad about them either.