plz help me decide if i should upgrade my rs or just buy a gsx or gst

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HELLO EVERYONE
I HAVE A QUESTION THATS BEEN ON MY MIND SINCE I GOT MY RS ECLIPSE. I READ A LOT OF FORUMS ABOUT UPGRADING THE RS TO TURBO AND HOW IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO JUST BUY A GSX OR A GST. IM STILL NOT SURE. I NEED SOME PEOPLE THAT KNOW A LOT ABOUT ECLIPSE AND HELP ME DECIDE IF ITS BETTER TO UPGRADE MY RS OR SELL MY RS AND BUY A GST OR GSX. MY OTHER QUESTION IS DOES AWD MAKE GSX ALOT FASTER? I LOOKED AT SOME TURBO KITS, AND WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE ADDING A TURBO KIT MAKES IT FASTER THEN A GST OR GSX.

I STILL DONT KNOW IF I SHOULD UPGRADE MY RS OR JUST SELL IT AND BUY A GST OR GSX? (WHICH IS BETTER ANYWAYS GSX OR GST?)

PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS PROBLEM.

THANKS EVERYONE!

 

[97eclipseRS]

i have an rs too and im planning on putting a turbo kit on soon but from what ive heard its mixed on whats better to do. in tha end im pretty sure a gst or gsx will be faster than you no matter what you do. if your in this for all out power and have some money lying around then sell your rs and buy a gsx. but if you just want some decent power and some looks turbo your rs.


oh yea........try not typing in all caps cuz a lotta people on this board will bi*** at you like crazy for doing that. just warning you

 

[nutshot]

What are your performance goals? Do you need better gas mileage? What is your budget? What kind of driving are you into (racing, cruising, commuting, etc)? How much work are you comfortable doing yerself?

 

[RSTsoon]

If you can save enough for the gsx and can afford the high insurance then id swing for that. But if you want low insurance then id go for the rs and turbo it. Oh and to the dude that said a gst or gsx will always be faster, not true, our motors have just as much potential as the 4g63 if built/tuned properly.

 

[nutshot]

1996 and later Eclipses share the same insurance rating. You will not save money, however, you do need a trustworthy agent (we have the power to raise rates).

 

[redwards]

This has been brought up time and time again. While there is an aftermarket turbo kit for the N/T (a decent one even, made by hahn), the proper answer is that it's always always always always always better to simply buy the turbocharged model. The motor will go a whole lot farther for a whole lot less than you'll put into the NT. Don't bother trying to mod the RS, buy a GST or GSX.

 

[blaster1812]

GST OR GSX OR TSI OR TSI AWD

And your question the awd make's the gsx go faster.

 

[97eclipseRS]

i know that we have as much potential as 4g63 engines. what i was saying was that ive seen gst/gsx owners say that their cars will always be faster. guess i shoulda mentioned that is a biased opinion on their part.

 

[siueclipse]

Originally posted by blaster1812
GST OR GSX OR TSI OR TSI AWD

And your question the awd make's the gsx go faster.

maybe the first 20 feet, but then after that your ass is mine

in all seriousness.. the awd does hang as easily as a fwd at higher speeds. so like i said, the awd might get the launch, but the fwd will over take you.

James

 

[redwards]

Originally posted by siueclipse


maybe the first 20 feet, but then after that your ass is mine

in all seriousness.. the awd does hang as easily as a fwd at higher speeds. so like i said, the awd might get the launch, but the fwd will over take you.

James

Provided that the cars are similarly modded, it's just a question of how long the race is. In an 1/8 mile I'd definitely take an AWD, and probably in a 1/4 too. On the freeway, a FWD, but if you race on the freeway you're retarded anyway.

 

[DSMNightmare]

I did a cost benefit a while back and it really depends on where you want to be. I would still take the AWD if I had the option but if money is a factor go with the GST, 12s are still very possible and you'll save a little money.

 

[DSMNightmare]

BTW if you don't mind Eagles you can save a couple thousand bucks by buying a Tsi or Tsi AWD instead of a GST or GSX. Same car just looks a little different.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by 97eclipseRS
i know that we have as much potential as 4g63 engines. what i was saying was that ive seen gst/gsx owners say that their cars will always be faster. guess i shoulda mentioned that is a biased opinion on their part.

My wife has a Tsi FWD A/T and she has yet to be beaten by a 420a or a 4G63NT. Not saying it can't happen , but I'm just saying it has not happended yet and she still has more boost to give. Also we don't really have that much money in her car either.

 

[Kirby]

Every race depends on mods, everyone who has ever raced knows that. The point is he already has the car. Trust me dude look into buying a gsx or gst. Figure out how much it is going to cost to get that car VS statying with what you have. I don't know your present loan situation or what not but it will prolly cost you more than 2-3 grand to do the trade up for the cars to get a stock GST. Now buy a turbo kit for your RS spend the same 2-3K and be faster and lighter with an RS with a stage 2 kit. Not to mention by the time you upgrade the GST or GSX to a respectable turbo system, you have spent as much as you would have on a built bottom end. Why buy a stock turbo just to replace every piece that you just paid extra for? When instead you can turbo the RS and build the bottom end to handle more boost than the GST. You have to consider what you want. Me I'm a horsepower junkie, I want something with gobs of power for the track that I can daily drive. So for me that was keep my ESI, turbo it, and build the bottom end. This way I have cheaper insurance, a faster car and a reliable daily driver. Not only that but if you break that pretty AWD system, your going to long for the days when you had a cheap and easy to fix FWD. Trust me man do the math and make a good decision. The turbo guy's will always say buy the turbo, because they need to justify their buying choice. It's a bi*** to buy a turbo car and pay all the extra for a turbo on insurance, and pay out the ass to upgrage a bunch of stuff, just to have a turbo'd N/T blow your doors off. They are scared of the 420a cause they know their 4g63 is not superior to it. I guess what I am saying is that you have to make up your mind, do the reasearch and cost analysis and see what works best for you. Do you want a 400 HP monster or a 250-300 HP sleeper. You can get there with either car the only question is which platform to start from.

 

[redwards]

how is a turbo'd RS more "sleeper" than a GSX or with the badges and sideskirts ripped off? (or even better, a rusty old laser! )

More to the point, how is anything with a front mount any kind of sleeper?

 

[Kirby]

Sleeper or not my point remains. I don't think that is what this guy wants, if it is then I was wrong oh well. Most people can't see a front mount when they pull up beside you. I don't really race on the street anyway so having a sleeper is of no use to me. Everyone knows I'm comming.

 

[DSMNightmare]

I'll agree with kirby on the fact that you need to do research on the matter but I would no sooner take advice from a 420a person about 4G63s than I would if it were the other way around.

Fact of the matter is that even the allmighty 420a DSM God Bill Hahn runs slower than the #25th ranked AWD on times.dsm.org. He is not even on the top 5 for the FWD on the times board. Bill is the only 420a DSM guy that I have seen get below 13.00. Don't go by my opinion or anyone elses opinion. Do the research and look around and tell me how many 420a DSMs you see in the 12s. Even the ones that are in the low 13s had massive work done to get them there. AND they were tuned by people who knew what they were doing. I can honestly if you do the exact same things to a 4G63 you will be faster.

As for reliability forget the sales pitches and look at the facts. There are several 4G63 DSMs that have run 12s and even 11s on the stock long block! Also there are several that have laid down 400-450hp on the stock longblock. No matter what turbo application you get you are going to have to buy a turbo, FMIC, fuel system, and several other things. The reason you buy the 4G63 is because the engine is more suited for the turbo application. Like I said if you don't believe it then show me where all the 12 second 420a DSMs are.

This is not meant to insult ANY of the 420a people, but rather to point out the flaw in the 420a is better than 4G63 logic. If the 420a is so much better than the 4G63 then show me 10 people who have 420a DSMs and a 12.99 or better timeslip. Fact is it's not impossible to get 12s in a 420a DSM but it is hard.

Fact is when you race someone all they see is a DSM. and if they see a front mount they will assume it is a 4G63 unless you show them otherwise.

Finally this quote comes directly from roadrace engineering who is one of the top DSM shops.

'95-'99 Turbo Kit for the Non-Turbo We don't have one. First, you should have bought the turbo Eclipse in the first place if you want to go that fast. Second, for about the price of a good turbo kit and the installation you can sell your car, take the money and another $2,000 or $3,000 and go buy a GS-T. Third, you have a Dodge Neon motor in your car and it has nothing in common with the Mitsubishi 4G63 motor.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Keep in mind that Hahn Racecraft is a quality DSM retailer and my comments in no way are bashing thier quality service or thier the quality of thier product. I have done business with Hahn and I love thier turbos.

 

[RSTsoon]

Originally posted by redwards
how is a turbo'd RS more "sleeper" than a GSX or with the badges and sideskirts ripped off? (or even better, a rusty old laser! )

More to the point, how is anything with a front mount any kind of sleeper?

Base line RS with the plastic hub caps = sleeper

 

[DSMNightmare]

Don't forget the 14 inch rims

 

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SUP EVERYONE
just wanted to say thanks to everyone that replyed! you guys really helped me a lot ! someone asked me what i wanted to do with my car. i would like it to go near 400HP, run a 1/4 mile in 10 sec.
like i said if you guys have anymore info i might be able to use go aheard and post it. i can use all the help i can get.
thanks again everyone !!!!

kinda feel better having a RS eclipse

 

[DSM-ZERO]

Take theextre 2,000-3,000$ and get a GS-T that is a Turbo Kit for your RS. And with the money you would spend on a kit for the gs-t that is a re build for the RS.

 

[nutshot]

I would suggest a GSX, as .25's are easier to attack with traction. Building yer RS is a possibility, but you will burn a lot of tires with the 500+ HP required to run 10's consistently.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
Take theextre 2,000-3,000$ and get a GS-T that is a Turbo Kit for your RS. And with the money you would spend on a kit for the gs-t that is a re build for the RS.

Honestly a turbo kit for the 4G63 is between 800-1300 bucks. That would only buy you the parts for a rebuild on an RS. Then take into consideration the labor for a turbo install vs the labor for a engine rebuild. 10s are going to be hard enough with a 4G63 let alone a 420a.

Like I said... Show me 10 people(with slips) who run 12.99 or better in a 420a DSM, besides Bill Hahn.

 

[syn-cline]

if i were to buy a turbo eclipse. now im stuck between a GS-t or a GSX
i hear many things between the 2. that the gsx will start faster but the gst is less weight and will go faster. i think if i decide to go with the turbo model i would go with a gsx. but not sure yet.