star stage2, and stock internals?

[t-dogg10]

i have finally decided after exploring all of my options to go with a star stage 2 kit, does anyone have this kit, any comments, and are your internals rebuilt, how much boost off the stock internals v.s. rebuilt?
ya, i know a lot of questions

Thanks!

 

[DSM-ZERO]

You can run 10 psi on stock internals. If you re build well it deponds on what compression you go with and what supporting mods you have but you could run almost anything you throw at it but nothing too crazy like 30 psi I would say once you re build 20 psi would be good.
no my engine is not re built but I love the kit it is cheap and it comes with a great turbo so you won't have to worry about getting a bigger one later because the T3/T4 can support 550hp.

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
You can run 10 psi on stock internals. If you re build well it deponds on what compression you go with and what supporting mods you have but you could run almost anything you throw at it but nothing too crazy like 30 psi I would say once you re build 20 psi would be good.
no my engine is not re built but I love the kit it is cheap and it comes with a great turbo so you won't have to worry about getting a bigger one later because the T3/T4 can support 550hp.

just so people don't get confused,t3/t4 turbos can greatly vary in size,not all will support 550hp. a 57 trim or 60 trim is good for 550+hp
there are many many many t3/t4 combos,THEY ARE NOT ALL THE SAME TURBO,some are good for 400hp,some are good for 600+hp.

 

[98Turbbo420A]

Originally posted by DSM-ZERO
You can run 10 psi on stock internals. If you re build well it deponds on what compression you go with and what supporting mods you have but you could run almost anything you throw at it but nothing too crazy like 30 psi I would say once you re build 20 psi would be good.
no my engine is not re built but I love the kit it is cheap and it comes with a great turbo so you won't have to worry about getting a bigger one later because the T3/T4 can support 550hp.

Don't listen to a word this guy says. Why, well for one english seems to be a second language. Two, he's got no clue what he's taking about. He failed to mention what he calls "built" included. You can run 8psi on the street all day long and be ok. AllwheelTsi is right, it depends on what turbo you have as well. Sure some people run 10, but that's only for a matter of time, and they will soon realize this!

 

[Kirby]

You can run 10psi "IF PROPERELY FUELED" but I don't know how long it will last. A guy I know went 3 years at 10psi before the stock internals went, but if you get any detenotation ever it will prolly break. Think of it this way when you run high boost on stock internals your like wile e. cyotee sitting on that barrel of gun powder, how long till it blows up??????? So to answer the question yes you can but there is no way to tell how long. As far as after the rebuild, it depends on what you replace and what u replace it with. If you get what I have then things will start getting worrysome at 700HP. So I should be able to through 30psi at the block with no worrys of it failing, now the other parts of the car that's a diff. story.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

listen up wisea$$, Lets pretend for one moment that some people know what a built motor is, and quit getting our panties in a bunch because I did not explain it fully for the people who walk around with a dunce hat on all day. Next time you have a problem with something I say PM me and I'll fix it don't be dick about what a (fully built motor) is because you have wisea$$ written next to your name.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by 98Turbbo420A

Don't listen to a word this guy says. Why, well for one english seems to be a second language. Two, he's got no clue what he's taking about. He failed to mention what he calls "built" included. You can run 8psi on the street all day long and be ok. AllwheelTsi is right, it depends on what turbo you have as well. Sure some people run 10, but that's only for a matter of time, and they will soon realize this!

ive met him in person and he speaks perfect english.. umm.. People on the internet type in slang or short to get their point across. So chill out with that. 2nd you CAN run 10psi if your car is in good shape.. Hahn says even 12 psi is possible on stock internals.. All the people that are blowing their engines in here are overboosting with not enough fuel and not watching their gauges and such. Also, DSM-Zero has the turbo kit on his car, and runs about that much boost, once again man, quit jumping on peoples asses for no reason, it's a damn DSM forum!! not life.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

Thank you bd1000Eclipse.

 

[kagegod]

at 700HP I think you'd have other things to worry about than stock internals....a FWD car with that much will need some serious look at the axles

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by Bd1000Eclipse


ive met him in person and he speaks perfect english.. umm.. People on the internet type in slang or short to get their point across. So chill out with that. 2nd you CAN run 10psi if your car is in good shape.. Hahn says even 12 psi is possible on stock internals.. All the people that are blowing their engines in here are overboosting with not enough fuel and not watching their gauges and such. Also, DSM-Zero has the turbo kit on his car, and runs about that much boost, once again man, quit jumping on peoples asses for no reason, it's a damn DSM forum!! not life.

yeah,obviously hahn wants to see you crack pistons and blow out ring landinds so you'll spend more money buying their products.

98Turbbo420A is a very knowledgeble guy, and you guys should be taking his advice.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI



yeah,obviously hahn wants to see you crack pistons and blow out ring landinds so you'll spend more money buying their products.

98Turbbo420A is a very knowledgeble guy, and you guys should be taking his advice.

if i took his advice id have a GS with a blown motor right now, or would not have even got my star kit.. i took other peoples adivce on here and got a 1st gen tsi that will spank the guys with the star/hahn kit.

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by Bd1000Eclipse

if i took his advice id have a GS with a blown motor right now, or would not have even got my star kit.. i took other peoples adivce on here and got a 1st gen tsi that will spank the guys with the star/hahn kit.

are you kidding me? have you seen the front page? you have basic free mods,98Turbbo420A's setup would eat you alive.

 

[siueclipse]

Originally posted by Bd1000Eclipse

if i took his advice id have a GS with a blown motor right now, or would not have even got my star kit.. i took other peoples adivce on here and got a 1st gen tsi that will spank the guys with the star/hahn kit.

sorry dude, ive raced 1st gen tsi's and ive spanked them with only 5lbs of boost, on stock internals.

 

[kagegod]

Originally posted by siueclipse


sorry dude, ive raced 1st gen tsi's and ive spanked them with only 5lbs of boost, on stock internals.

Werd, same here. Serving up some much needed ass whoopings to the stock turbo guys one car at a time

First off, star kit runs 8psi. 8psi on stock internals is a SAFE NUMBER. Yes you can MINIMALLY run 10psi bust I wouldn't recommend touring around town because the engine will eventually give out. I would personally recommend 10psi for racing only and keeping it tuned to 8psi (you'll spank MANY things at just 8psi!). Also, Hahn stated the stock engine fails at 15psi(could be slightly off but I think that's what they said) so why would anybody in their right mind push 12psi on stock internal 420a? You might as well just take a couple thousand dollars and burn it because that's what you'd be doing. just my .02 worth

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI


are you kidding me? have you seen the front page? you have basic free mods,98Turbbo420A's setup would eat you alive.

funny how you know what i have in my car considering youve never seen it? umm...

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by siueclipse


sorry dude, ive raced 1st gen tsi's and ive spanked them with only 5lbs of boost, on stock internals.

cocky..
did they know you were trying to race them? u beat a car that is awd and faster? weird..
to you guys that think you are super fast or whatever, i wish we lived by each other so you can see that you arent this shiznat that you think you are.. next time you race a tsi make sure he knows that you are trying to race him.

 

[allwheelTSI]

Originally posted by Bd1000Eclipse

cocky..
did they know you were trying to race them? u beat a car that is awd and faster? weird..
to you guys that think you are super fast or whatever, i wish we lived by each other so you can see that you arent this shiznat that you think you are.. next time you race a tsi make sure he knows that you are trying to race him.

guess what, buddy!? you don't know what youre talking about,FWD will always be faster.

 

[allwheelTSI]

oh,i don't know what you're running? its called a mods list,i have $500 that says his car will eat yours.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI
oh,i don't know what you're running? its called a mods list,i have $500 that says his car will eat yours.

i think you should keep ther 500$ and make that piece of shit you have a little bit faster and quit talking shit. admit it, how did sieclipse running 5lbs of boost beat a 1st gen tsi, it makes no sense.. sometimes you guys act so ### on here. fighting on the internet is pointless, so i'll be the bigger man while you guys are the bigger qweers and say "ok, whatever" you know damn well a awd car will rip a fwd car off the line.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by allwheelTSI
oh,i don't know what you're running? its called a mods list,i have $500 that says his car will eat yours.

i think you should keep ther 500$ and make that piece of shit you have a little bit faster and quit talking shit. admit it, how did sieclipse running 5lbs of boost beat a 1st gen tsi, it makes no sense.. sometimes you guys act so ### on here. fighting on the internet is pointless, so i'll be the bigger man while you guys are the bigger qweers and say "ok, whatever" you know damn well a awd car will rip a fwd car off the line.
forgot to let you know that the mods list isnt accurate or updated, once again dont believe everything u see on the net ###.

 

[kagegod]

Originally posted by Bd1000Eclipse

you know damn well a awd car will rip a fwd car off the line.

Ok so you've got like 30% of the equation down. Now you need to add horsepower & torque in there and don't forget your power to weight ratio. inherently, if both drivers were the same, and both cars had the same HP, I would put my money an the GS as it is the LIGHTER of the two cars, making it's power/weight ratio much better so the torque isn't wasted getting the moving beast rolling. Just cause you can do a clutch dump and grip & go doesn't always mean you'll win (my friend in his CRX proved that to my other friend in his '92 awd tsi before - and the tsi was running about 16 psi boost). I don't mean to instigate or burst your bubble but the AWD and FWD turbo DSMs are in fact NOT GODLY CARS. There are faster N/A to FI DSMs out there than a lot of the AWD/FWD stock FI cars (and I will admit that in most cases it IS the other way as most people do not have the time nor tolerance to make their N/A DSM as fast or faster than the stock turbo DSM). So now that everyone's argued about this for the elevinty billionth time I'm just gonna shut up from now on cause it's the Same s**t different day senario.

And whoever has the dead horse pic needs to throw that up in here cause that's what's going on - AGAIN.

 

[t-dogg10]

sorry guys, didnt know this would turn into a battle of egos, can't we all just get along. . .I just wanted to see if i would be able to run about 8-10 psi until i could afford to do a complete engine rebuild. . .it would take about a year to save for that. . .thanks for the help guys

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

i agree, dead horse, i'm outta this one too.. to the guy that started the thread, do a compression test and tell us the numbers before you decided on how much boost..

 

[siueclipse]

hey bd1000, didn't you just buy your awd? if you just bought it then how come you seem to know that its faster than say, my car?

ive raced a 1st gen awd. he was running 14 pounds of boost, i was running 5lbs of boost. i took him off the line and left him from there.

sorry man, but just because its an all mighty 4g63 with awd, doesn't mean its going to win a race.

James

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

yup just bought it.. i'm not bashing your car in anyone so dont take it like that.. very nice car with nice setup, i'm just wondering why you "spanked" a tsi awd running 15 or so lbs of boost.. seems kinda odd that you running 5 or so pounds would beat one.. once again though, i'm done with this thread before i offend anyone.