4G63 N/T to Turbo upgrade

[mhe]

Here's my problem: as an european DSM owner (in my country, called austria AFAIK, only about 30 of them rolling around) I'm doomed to have an 4g63 without a stock turbo, so i cannot use a turbo upgrade kit like the HRC or Star ones, which really drives me mad...

The only bolt-on turbos I've found for N/T engines are to be added to 420A engines and that makes them not very usable for me.

My stock engine is exactly an 4G63 2.0 DOHC 16V (since I've never seen any other DSM engines than mine IRL, I do not know if this is something exotic or not)

All I'd like is to get my engine up and running with about 275-300 hp without using nitrous.
Engine swap is no option, because swap engines are almost impossible to get here and JDM engines are sometimes in very bad shape when you get them.

So does anyone know how to make a turbo kit for an N/T 4G63 and could also tell me if I would have to go for a rebuild?

I'd do anything for it except spending vast amounts of money for little or no use

Or asked a simplier: What parts would I have to get in addition to let's say a HRC Stage II Kit so that i could install it into my little engine and blow some of the ugly golfs and jettas off the street?

(And yes, as you can see I'm not very deep into automotive engineering, at least not yet, mind, car and knowledge grow as time goes by, so don't blame me for being that stupid in the beginning, not everyone was born with a wrench in his hands (I for example was born with a computer )
I'm not very good at english either, but reading all of your very valuable threads keeps me motivated to push harder in any aspect of the things i mentioned above

greetings from austria

martin

 

[mavisky]

read one of the two stickies above, this is the second such post i've had in two nights.

the hahn and star kits are designed for the 420a so very little would even be usable on your car. another thing to consider is the fact that your compression is even higher than the 1g nt 4g63's so the 4g63 swap thread may be your only option.

 

[Streetbeat]

wait....hes got a second gen, it should be the 420A or the 4g64 engine

 

[mhe]

Not exactly:
My car was made in early 1998, it says 4g63 on the engine, and if there was any turbo i would have noticed (since it sounds better and i would have a boost gauge stock)

But since I have none of the things mentioned above, i really would like to know, if there is any way else than engine swap or even getting a gst to add turbo to my dsm.

I would like to put something like a HRC Stage 2 into it, but since it is an upgrade to the existing turbo, i think it uses some of the parts that come stock in a gst.
I don't have this parts, so i would need some things in addition to the kit and some really good advice because of the fact I'm not that good at automotive engineering (at least not yet )

So if there is anything you can do for me and give me some advice, i will come up with a detailed VFAQ for this as soon as i can do the upgrade

thanks and greetings from austria

Martin

 

[mavisky]

the european cars got the 4g63 in the nt's too. bastards.

the problem with the hrc kit lies in the fact that after dropping a few thousand on the setup the only part you'll really be able to use might be the bov / wastegate/ and the turbo. everything else would be useless on your car.

 

[mhe]

Yes, I'm glad to have that engine, but since almost every mentionable performance part comes from america, they are only built for either a 4G63 WITH turbo and the non-turbo A420. Since I have none of these two, it is very difficult to find any bolt-on tuning parts for my engine.
Any advice appreciated (I don't want to count the hours i spent looking for an austrian import tuner...).

I don't know if my point came through, i looked for the HRC Turbo UPGRADES.
Since the engine is the same and it is only an upgrade, i think it might be possible to port my engine to turbo with such a kit and several additional parts.
If I'm wrong please let me know.

So if I got myself a turbo UPGRADE kit, would it be possible to convert it to turbo with that additional pipes and things like a BOV?
I would also have to get all the gauges, a boost controller etc.
I know that.
All I'm unsure about are things under the hood like pipes, new pistons and rings and that stuff.

If anyone can get me a thing like a list of parts needed, it will be well appreciated

Money isn't the point in building such a setup.
I only want it to work and be fast and nice sound would be great too

If I have to rebuild the engine, then I have to and will do it.
All I need is to know which way to go

thanks alot guys

martin

 

[kagegod]

Didn't the US 1G n/t's have the 4G63 n/t? I though I heard that somewhere but I could be wrong...

 

[fast1.8sohcDSM]

Ugh, come on guys. Yes, the 1G 4G63 NT is a running around motor. I never heard of the second gen Eclipse running a 4G63, that is actually beyond me. Specially since there is no such thing as an Eclipse in the JDM. So this car has to be shipped from America and either have a 420A in it or a 4G63T. If you do have a 4G63 NT in your car, the simplicity of the matter is, you have to build your own turbo kit. Take the block out, have pistons and rods shipped to you, possibly JE's and crowers, or eagles. Build the turbo kit on your own, don't use one already assembled. the HRC1 kit I am thinking that everyone is trying to tell you is for the 420A and Definately isn't the same as a 4G63. I think you need to do some more research in these engines before going turbo, reading some of your posts were giving me a headache, no offense.

Shawn

 

[mhe]

Sometimes I give myself a headache too

I already found out, that I will have to make my own turbo kit.
The fooling around comes from the fact, that I'm not a native english speaker, so I tend to repeat myself
So don't blame me (at least as long as I'm not allowed to post in german )

To make my question as simple as possible:
From the already gathered information I found out, that I will have to make my own turbo kit.
And my question is HOW?

I got myself a chilton's this weekend, but since it focuses on repair, it will help me in several ways, but it won't help me with turbocharging

Thanks that you have not given up already ( I know I'm sometimes a bit hard to understand, but that's just the way geeks are...)

have a nice day
martin

 

[mavisky]

the nt's in europe did come with 4g63's (why i don't know). hell their 1g's all had popups.

my advice would be to read over the thread up above about making a turbo kit for the 4g63 and comparing your parts to those listed.

 

[mhe]

I don't have a complete parts list of my engine and the things surrounding it yet.

After referring to the chilton's manual, i found out, that there are several things my engine has in common with the 1g and the 2g gst.
But none of them really matches.
For example, the air filter in a 2g gst is a box in the lower left corner and has a cubic shape.
so has the 1g as far is i remember.
my air filter is neither vertically nor horizontally aligned in the engine bay, it is mounted with an about 45 degree angle.

thanks to your advice i know what parts i will need, but i don't know how to fit all of them under my hood because some things are located very very strangly.

i would have to use a completely different piping strategy to get this all to work. redoing the whole engine in CAD is much work to do, so will try to avoid it as long as i can.

if pics of my engine bay would help let me know.

and sorry for my mistake above with the HRC kits, i actually meant the upgrades but messed it up with the word "kit" somehow.
apologies for that

all i want is making my engine run some boost sometime, but it's a hard way to get there when you're not mechanically involved

hope things will get better for all of us

greetings
martin

 

[allwheelTSI]

basically what you want to do,to "make" your own turbo kit,is to aquire ALL the turbo related components from a 4g63t,and then just bolt them on(with the exception of boost control,you'd want to get an actuator spring set for 5psi or so) i think there is a list of parts on the "hot topic" thread at the top, about how to make a turbo kit for the 4g63.

 

[mhe]

Ok, ack'd.

Now there's only the problem left of getting GST parts in europe with preferably low or no shipping cost

Our junkyards only have german cars like jettas etc.
With about max. 30 eclipses rolling around in austria, it will be pretty hard to get those parts

Are there any parts dealers on the net selling engines in pieces for eclipses?

thanks
martin

 

[wicked93GS]

frankly, I know you said it wasnt an option, but if I were you, I would buy a JDM motor, harness, ECU, etc and swap it in, it will be less hassle and you wont run the risk of breaking a piston if you run more than 5 psi of boost, some of them are in bad shape, yes, but not all, most people seem to get decent ones anyway, unless you tear down and build that motor up for a turbo(forged pistons and lower compression forged rods)it wont be worth the money your going to spend for the conversion, an especially if your not a mechanic it will be easier to do the engine swap

 

[mhe]

Ok, I will consider this as soon as I have the money.
Shipping costs will be killing me, but I guess that's one of the sacrifications you'll have to make to get good track times...

What are the prices for used JDM engines and how used are they?
because I think it isn't fair to pay the same price for an engine which has be used twice as much...

and if I sell my engine, what amount of cash could i expect to get?
it is a 4g63 without turbo and seems to be in good shape.
Got 100 000 km (approx 65 kmiles ) on it.

thanks for all your help (once again )

martin