300 hp>Is It possible?

[talon3787]

Okay,here's my guestion. I own a 94 Eclipse,non-turbo,automatic,ES. Is it possible to hit between 300hp and 330hp without nos or turbo. Off just the top of your head,what will i have to do to accomplish this hp? Is there anything else I can do to achive 300 hp? Thanks for your time.

 

[TimG]

Without a charger or nos. Are you out of your mind? You drive a 4 cylinder engine. When I had my n/t, I modded the hell out of it with everything except pistons and lightened rods. I came out with 165HP to the wheels. No offence but keep dreaming.

 

[talon3787]

what kinds of mods are you using because modding the hell out of it and only getting 165hp thats horrible you must not have no idea what your doing b/c i can easily get 200hp and ive talk to many mechanics and they say even 330hp without nos or chareger is possible.....

 

[TimG]

First of all, 165HP to the wheels is about 200 to the crank you moron. The car was tuned properly so don't insult my tuning. With higher compression pistons, a lighter flywheel. knife edged flywheel and lighter rods, I could squeezed out MAYBE 230HP to the crank. So just about 200HP to the wheels. Why bother anyway? I decided to go turbo and I'm sure you'll decide the same thing.

You are probably in the 'i don't want a turbo' stage. I was there to. Then it hit me. 'Why am I modding a n/t and not being as fast as a stock TSi? Hummm.. maybe they have something I don't. One day, I looked under the hood of one and saw a bunch of pipes, an odd looking exhaust manifold, a wierd piece of metal attached to it and a few extra gadgets. Low and behold, my car now has the same things.

 

[TimG]

Originally posted by talon3787
must not have no idea what your doing b/c i can easily get 200hp and ive talk to many mechanics and they say even 330hp without nos or chareger is possible.....

Anyone else think this guy is a nut if he says he can get 200HP easily? I'd like you to call my cell phone when you reach 200HP. ONLY call if you reach 200HP. But first e-mail me with a video of your car being dynoed and e-mail me the graph, then I'll give you my number and bow down to the 200HP master. Must have been so easy.

 

[ivanr4g63]

Well yes and no...

The plain answer to your question: "Can you get over 300 hp on that engine without Nos or Turbo" that will be a definite YES, now... are you going to spend lots of money, and I mean lots, also lots of work... thats another YES, your talking about building a race motor, and you might get way more than 300, you need internals, a good machine shop, big cylinder head mods, some good tunning, and a bad-ass fuel system, thats 1000's
But if you're thinking simple aftermarket bolt-ons to achieve 300+ HP, simply it Cannot be Done. period. even with nos, cause' your engine can only take so much.
Thats why most people here go for the turbo Swap, much easier, much better, more power out of the box.
If you like your car that much, and don't want to sell it, or don't want to go with turbo/Nos, or simply want to kick some ass on the street and "rub it in" on someone's face that your NA, then start saving.
But it's true, just get a turboed car, its much cheaper than your other plans.

 

[talon3787]

Yeah thanks for agreeing with me finally someone who knows something about cars. Yeah i know to get 300hp its going to take alot of work and money which im willing to put in. Also I do want to rub it in when i beat a turbo thats moded because it gives you alot more satisfaction that you've worked harder on your car and that you dont need that stuff to make a 4-cylinder fast plus it gains alot more respect.
I will email you when i hit 200 b/c thats easy

 

[TBSpyder]

Originally posted by TimG
No offence but keep dreaming.

That about sums it all up best.

 

[talon3787]

That doesn't sum anything up if anyone wants to talk to me my s/n is mstcars3. And ill tell you how its possible because obviously you dont know much about dsm and you haven't done your research. Plz do talk to me so i can prove you all wrong.

 

[TBSpyder]

Talk is cheap...walk the walk. "Obviously you don't know much about dsm" and " you haven't done your research"??? Kid, I've owned my eclipse probably longer than you've had your license.

To get your car even close to 300whp without forced induction would probably cost atleast 2-3x what you paid for the car itself. But I'm sure you'll be willing to drop that kind of cash on your car right...that's why you settled on a 10 year old, non turbo, automatic vehicle in the first place, right? And let me guess...you expect it to be a daily driver as well, right? Suuuure. If you can even get your car to 200whp you will have more than gained my respect. But until then...you're just full of BS. Sorry to burst your little Fast & Furious bubble.

 

[TimG]

I'm glad TBSpyder has a head with a brain on his shoulder. He realizes that his car looks good but for 200HP, he's going to have to shell out a ton of cash and do a ton of tuning because his car is not all that fast. I've been a n/t before so I know. BTW - when I say 200HP, I mean to the wheels. None of this crank HP. Wheel HP is what counts on the road so that is what is being measured.

 

[Initial DSM]

Well $ aside , it is possible to get at least 250whp to the wheels.
But he's going to have to swap in a 2.4L block maybe even stroke it to 2.6L (this has been done). Bored .20 or .40 over. blueprinted and balanced.
Forged pistons bored .20 or .40 over
Poly coat and mani coat the pistons and exhaust manifolds and such
Full race ported head with all the usuall bells and whistles (bigger valves, retainers, springs)
Crane 22 cams
sheet metal intake manifold with 60mm or higher tb
CAI
mls gasket
Crane or MSD ignition
hotter plugs , better wires, SD coil pack
Crankscraper or windage tray
full exhaust with gutted cat
stand alone (Accel DFI 7 or Electromotive Tech 3) or maybe even AFX ecu or Mega squirt.
no AC, power steering
12:5: 1 compression
Neon 3.55 tranny w Quiafe Lsd (not need for hp, but traction)
UDP
lighter flywheel
lighter pulley set
aftermarket Clutch
this would be used only as a race car, as the idle will be very lopey for daily driving unless you can properly tune DFI or tec3.

 

[Strictlyimports]

Here we go again

 

[TimG]

Initial DSM, those mods are extremely extensive. I don't think the post-starter knows what some of those are and what the benefits of them are. He may have an idea like most modders but no real knowledge on why you are doing certain things.

Honestly, if he knew exactly what his car was doing and how to get 300HP , then why would he ask us if his car can do it and how to do it?

 

[Initial DSM]

Originally posted by TimG
Initial DSM, those mods are extremely extensive. I don't think the post-starter knows what some of those are and what the benefits of them are. He may have an idea like most modders but no real knowledge on why you are doing certain things.

Honestly, if he knew exactly what his car was doing and how to get 300HP , then why would he ask us if his car can do it and how to do it?

I'll take that, I'll take that.

Hmm. I was looking under his name and saw the 98 nt, i didnt read the part about the na 1.8L auto.
Magnus sells a 2.4L 4G63 block. I think its about $4000.
add that with their +50hp Intake manifold, and the mods I listed before. Yes very pricey. Stupid, but pricey. just do the turbo swap imo. very cheap if you do it yourself.

 

[talon3787]

umm... first of all to accomplish this I've already calculate that im prolly going to spend 17k or more. Yeah it is ten years old but it only has 22,000 miles on it prolly less that your car. And i aint no fast and furious boy. and no you must be feeling pretty salty right about know b/c i dont want it to be a daily driver i already have another car and i dont drive my talon around it stays in the garage. so you want to keep trying to put me down and it doesnt even work b/c your wrong everytime you say some talk to me on mstcars3 thats my s/n ok until then keep this thread going b/c i like to see ppl talk about stuff they know and stuff they dont like some ppl

 

[talon3787]

and its not a 1.8 liter its a 2.0 4g63

 

[TimG]

Originally posted by Initial DSM

add that with their +50hp Intake manifold

That 50HP is rated for their largely modded turbo engine. On a 2.4 n/t, it won't yield nearly as much HP gain.
I can drop by Magnus (I live near) and ask them a few questions if you guys want to save on long distance.

The 2.0L on $17k CAN get 300HP. Tune it well but it seems sorty of pointless when you can save money and go turbo. Oh well your choice. Make sure you get a good mechanic like Marco or Dave.

 

[talon3787]

Its not pointless at all its called building a race car. Not getting a turbo and exhaust and intake and thinkin you have a nice fast car because you dont. If you really want to be considered a street race car you have to have put about 30K into your car so turbo cars are pointless...just answer this if you had a non-turbo car that beats a moded turbo car who would be more respected and have the nicer car yeah thats what i thought im going to build a race car not think i have a race car by only putting like 5 thousand into it.....

 

[TimG]

Originally posted by talon3787
Its not pointless at all its called building a race car. Not getting a turbo and exhaust and intake and thinkin you have a nice fast car because you dont. If you really want to be considered a street race car you have to have put about 30K into your car so turbo cars are pointless...just answer this if you had a non-turbo car that beats a moded turbo car who would be more respected and have the nicer car yeah thats what i thought im going to build a race car not think i have a race car by only putting like 5 thousand into it.....

You have officially made me dumber by listening to that non-sense. Yes, my turbo car, though it runs 13s, is slow.

 

[talon3787]

13's is pretty slow if i had a turbo which i dont want ones i would have in down in the 12's i no time.

 

[talon3787]

timG you want talk about this im me at my s/n mstcars3 or email me at [email protected]

 

[TimG]

FWD turbo car in the 12's no problem. Who is this guy?

 

[97eclipsedGS]

fwd car into the 12s easy..... wow, never thought id hear that said..... i gotta say, it is pretty damned funny though.... timG: keep rocking the common sense and reality talk, but its not going through to the morons. ::

 

[talon3787]

well obviously to you guys easy isnt the same concept as my easy guess we have different perspectives on things