is it worth it? put turbo on 420a ?

[mickey]

my goal is trying get maybe 500 hp or more (just thinking for now)....i got 420A non turbo....i want turbo but i dont know if i should swap to 4g63t or put turbo kit on 420a..does it make alot of different?

 

[Alex7747]

have you even been in a 500hp dsm?? let alone a 400 or 300 hp dsm?? and youre fwd even at 300hp you will struggle for traction. drive a 300+ hp dsm and come back and say you want a 500hp dsm. i remember the days when i wanted only 500hp. then i was given a ride in a 380+ hp awd dsm, and 500 was no longger my goal.. i would kill myself with 500 hp. but then again to each their own

 

[mickey]

have you even been in a 500hp dsm?? let alone a 400 or 300 hp dsm?? and youre fwd even at 300hp you will struggle for traction. drive a 300+ hp dsm and come back and say you want a 500hp dsm. i remember the days when i wanted only 500hp. then i was given a ride in a 380+ hp awd dsm, and 500 was no longger my goal.. i would kill myself with 500 hp. but then again to each their own

so help me. how much hp is enough to be fast for fwd?

 

[Boostinsideways]

It depends on how you define fast? Do you want good throttle response and to be quick through turns? You could probably get by maxing a 16g setup.

Do you want 10s quarters? Then you probably need something bigger than a 16g.

It really depends on your goals. You need to figure out what you want your car to do. If you just want to beat your honda friends. A low pressure turbo kit will do that for you.

 

[Alex7747]

to be fast in fwd is way more expensive then in awd..so sell your nt and find yourself an awd turbo model and then start thinking about going fast. but if you want to keep your nt and you want that to go fast. youll need to build the engine to handle the extra stress or forced induction. ie forged internals. which arent cheap btw. then youll be looking at suspension, a good turbo fuel mods, tuning ect ect

 

[mickey]

im kinda young but im learning. do u mind define what turbo model? can i buy that? or should i swap to 4g63 or stay 420a and put turbo kit on it? i want to know if it worth it

 

[Alex7747]

being young isnt an excuse im only 18. anyways but turbo model i mean gst or gsx. if you go gst you still have traction issues but you could always convert to awd (2gs only) later done the road like i did. but i do NOT think it would be worth it to try and swap a 4g in your nt. just save up and get a gst/gsx and keep your 420a as a dd. or sell it and get a nice gst/gsx. but thats just my opinion.

 

[gusu]

For an Eclipse GSX is awd and for the GST its FWD. For Talons TSi means turbo but there is nothing to say if it is awd besides as far as badges go. You can check by looking for a drive shaft and rear differential to see if it really is awd or fwd.

 

[H4G64T]

This thread is dumb, sorry OP, but that is the truth.

1. I think 1, maybe 2 guys have made 500+ HP on a 420A.

2. Since it is the 10,000,000th time I will be answering this question, and I really can't find anymore witty comments to say to it after that, the amount of money and time required to swap a 420A model to a 4G63 is stupid, you could get an AWD turbo for less.

3. Worry about building a 200 HP car before you worry about 500 HP, then worry about 250 HP, then worry about 300, and so on and so forth.

 

[Leonthefaded]

my goal is trying get maybe 500 hp or more (just thinking for now)....i got 420A non turbo....i want turbo but i dont know if i should swap to 4g63t or put turbo kit on 420a..does it make alot of different?

So far from my travels around oahu I've heard that people who've put a turbo on thier 420A have ultimatly blown thier motors. Generally speaking from my own research you can only set the boost to around 7lbs.

You could do a swap to the 4g63t but I've heard alot about this thing called "Crank Walking" and that doesnt sound attractive at all, especially since It occured recently to a guy I seen last weekend at a car cruz, he was pushing around 20ish lbs and now his car is out for the count.

The 420A has plenty of potential as a N/a motor you could do NOS or other power options outside of slapping on a turbo and calling it done. but thats just my two cents

 

[H4G64T]

So far from my travels around oahu I've heard that people who've put a turbo on thier 420A have ultimatly blown thier motors. Generally speaking from my own research you can only set the boost to around 7lbs.

You could do a swap to the 4g63t but I've heard alot about this thing called "Crank Walking" and that doesnt sound attractive at all, especially since It occured recently to a guy I seen last weekend at a car cruz, he was pushing around 20ish lbs and now his car is out for the count.

The 420A has plenty of potential as a N/a motor you could do NOS or other power options outside of slapping on a turbo and calling it done. but thats just my two cents

I literally vomited when I read this section. It is full of the most newbish BS that it literally turned my stomach.

It's called crankwalk, and it refers to excessive horizontal play in the crank due to a worn thrust bearing. IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANY ENGINE. It was slightly more common in early 7 bolt engines, and by more common, I mean it statistically happened at a percentage rate higher than other cars, but still a very small percentage at that.

Whatever retard you saw at your "cruz" please go and punch him in the face. You don't "see" crankwalk happen, and it certainly does not happen out of the blue or all of a sudden. I bet the nimrod hasn't even checked his crankshaft for play, or even knows how. No I bet, like the absolute fricking ricer moron he is, he just assumed it was crankwalk, because his brain functions at a level so sub-optimal to the rest of the world, that he went with the first ricer thing he could think about.

 

[Alex7747]

crankwalk?!?! what is that??!!?!?!?!? oh my god, bring it up. dont read up on it to much. but my second motor did crankwalk(thrust bearing was past the copper lay ). it is extremely rear to crankwalk. just get a 2g turbo model and call it a day..and this thread is dumb edit: rare

 

[DSM Zo]

4g63 6 bolt is the way to go. Its less likely to get crankwalk. correct me if I'm wrong?

 

[H4G64T]

4g63 6 bolt is the way to go. Its less likely to get crankwalk. correct me if I'm wrong?

There is no math we can quote to prove that, but that's the accepted belief. However, they DO crankwalk as well.

 

[Leonthefaded]

I literally vomited when I read this section. It is full of the most newbish BS that it literally turned my stomach.

It's called crankwalk, and it refers to excessive horizontal play in the crank due to a worn thrust bearing. IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANY ENGINE. It was slightly more common in early 7 bolt engines, and by more common, I mean it statistically happened at a percentage rate higher than other cars, but still a very small percentage at that.

Whatever retard you saw at your "cruz" please go and punch him in the face. You don't "see" crankwalk happen, and it certainly does not happen out of the blue or all of a sudden. I bet the nimrod hasn't even checked his crankshaft for play, or even knows how. No I bet, like the absolute fricking ricer moron he is, he just assumed it was crankwalk, because his brain functions at a level so sub-optimal to the rest of the world, that he went with the first ricer thing he could think about.

Ahem.

1. I didnt physically see said "Crank Walk"

2. I physically saw the person who owned the vehicle that acheive said "Crank Walk"

3. "Ricer" I consider a racial and derogatory term, and respectfully ask you not to use it ever again.

4. When i hear "Crank Walk" I immediatly think "4g63/4 (t)"

Finally back to the subject. I think its possible in working theory to acheive 500hp with a 420a; it will just cost alot of $$$

 

[Leonthefaded]

Back to the OP I wonder if us 420a guys can get close to 500hp without spending more than 2000 dollars, and without adding a turbo.

 

[H4G64T]

Also, for your sake, I am going to ignore the fact that you ignored, that maybe 2 people have pushed the 420A to 500 HP. I also am going to ignore the general lack of mechanical knowledge in the statement asking if a 2.0L N/T engine can get to 500 HP without forced induction.

 

[RadDsm]

Back to the OP I wonder if us 420a guys can get close to 500hp without spending more than 2000 dollars, and without adding a turbo.

You seriously have to be trolling. You realize the highest horsepower N/A 420a makes 218whp, right?

 

[mickey]

Use the search feature or google it.


Back to the OP I wonder if us 420a guys can get close to 500hp without spending more than 2000 dollars, and without adding a turbo.

nahhh i dont think it gonna happen

i dont wanna sell my gs 420a non turbo for buying gst or gsx. i wanna keep my car and maybe i swap my engine to 4g63t because i think it make alot of easier and faster. i might get a chance to get close to 500hp..i think it worth it because 420a too slow i think.

 

[H4G64T]

lmbooooo



nahhh i dont think it gonna happen

i dont wanna sell my gs 420a non turbo for buying gst or gsx. i wanna keep my car and maybe i swap my engine to 4g63t because i think it make alot of easier and faster. i might get a chance to get close to 500hp..i think it worth it because 420a too slow i think.

There is no hope for this one. Moving on.

 

[mickey]

There is no hope for this one. Moving on.

what u mean moving on? im sooo confuse and dont know what to do. nobody dont get to the point. soo get to the point and tell me what the best way. im not buying gst or gsx. im keeping my gs but want faster engine sooo?

 

[Boostinsideways]

your just not going to make 500 whp on a 420a without a turbo. It can't happen.. Maybe if you got like 3 of and added the horsepower each was making.

The difference between the price of a non-turbo and a turbo model is usually so insignificant that buying everything you need to do the swap is a bit beyond what it would cost to save the maybe 500$ price difference, and sell your car, then buy a the turbo model.

Now if your were to happen upon a nice clean shell, and it was really cheap.. Say >700% and you were to find a nice mint drivetrain it might end up being more cost effective to do the swap.

But if you need to ask "how do I put a 4g63 in my 2g n/t?" you really will never be able to complete the swap. You need a basic understanding of mechanical operation of a drive train. And some knowledge on the basic difference between the 2 cars.

 

[H4G64T]

So enjoy spending a ton of money paying a shop to cut out your engine bay mount points, and then good luck finding a 4G63 shell where you can cut out their engine bay mount points and then have them welded into your 420A bay, or enjoy spending the ton of money it will cost to have a shop fabricate them for you, and then enjoy spending the money to track down a 4G63 engine and transmission, even more if you want it to be AWD and then that adds more fabrication costs to the swap, because you clearly do not not possess the mechanical know-how to do this swap yourself, as is obvious from the fact that you have to ask about it. So when all is said and done and you are 10,000.00 deep in your swap because you refused to sell your car for a few dollars and buy a GSX for 5,000.00, you will now have accomplished the ultimate Honda achievement of spending countless dollars on a swap to still end up being stock.

Oh yeah, did I mention that you will need to buy new wiring harnesses and run all that stuff, and you need to replace your gauge cluster at that point, and then so on and so on and so on.

 

[mickey]

So enjoy spending a ton of money paying a shop to cut out your engine bay mount points, and then good luck finding a 4G63 shell where you can cut out their engine bay mount points and then have them welded into your 420A bay, or enjoy spending the ton of money it will cost to have a shop fabricate them for you, and then enjoy spending the money to track down a 4G63 engine and transmission, even more if you want it to be AWD and then that adds more fabrication costs to the swap, because you clearly do not not possess the mechanical know-how to do this swap yourself, as is obvious from the fact that you have to ask about it. So when all is said and done and you are 10,000.00 deep in your swap because you refused to sell your car for a few dollars and buy a GSX for 5,000.00, you will now have accomplished the ultimate Honda achievement of spending countless dollars on a swap to still end up being stock.

Oh yeah, did I mention that you will need to buy new wiring harnesses and run all that stuff, and you need to replace your gauge cluster at that point, and then so on and so on and so on.

u funny in good way...alright alright i learn alot...well i guess im not gonna try get 500 hp...maybe little less than that....i mean if 420a can goes more than 300 hp then i stay with 420a so i can rebulid it...i

 

[uscav_scout19d]

This thread is dumb, sorry OP, but that is the truth.

1. I think 1, maybe 2 guys have made 500+ HP on a 420A.

2. Since it is the 10,000,000th time I will be answering this question, and I really can't find anymore witty comments to say to it after that, the amount of money and time required to swap a 420A model to a 4G63 is stupid, you could get an AWD turbo for less.

3. Worry about building a 200 HP car before you worry about 500 HP, then worry about 250 HP, then worry about 300, and so on and so forth.

Well just "listed" on this site is 5 420a's pushing over 500+whp I am 100% positve there are more on here that people have not listed and all over the world.... everything else I agree with

As far as the op, just to give you a heads up I am in about $14,000 (including buying the car, I know I should of went with the 4G63 but I wanted a challenge) and I will probably be only looking at 400whp give or take alittle. I could get more if I went ethonal or race gas but its one of my DD and only 2 ethonal stations in my city. So the 420A WILL cost you ALOT more money to make it fast! And if your looking at my profile nothing I have bought for the car is in or on the car yet, still building and putting it together in the garage