Who's the fastest 420A????

[dsm4444]

Alright just out of curiosity who on this site has the fastest 420A non turbo, second generation, car? And what is in it? I've heard some crazy stuff come out of peoples engines without even turbo chrarging them..

 

[crazytsiawd]

yeah i was sort of curious about this to

 

[Snobordin8]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/timeslips.php?&do=420a

The fasted N/T listed is 14.3. Not saying it's the fastest one out there.

 

[FasterImage]

Wow....14.3 from the 420A thats pretty impressive. I have alot of work to do!

 

[JayRolla]

Actually I think he is one of the fastest or not the fastest 2g N/T DSM. Dynoed around 175hp which is very impressive. To find the fastest 420a I would look around the neon guys, unless you meant just dsm's.

 

[spoo76]

Actually I think he is one of the fastest or not the fastest 2g N/T DSM. Dynoed around 175hp which is very impressive. To find the fastest 420a I would look around the neon guys, unless you meant just dsm's.

I managed to get my 96 SOHC 2.0 coupe to run a 14.3 with typical bolts ons and a megasquirt a few years ago
Stock head with cam, bone stock plastic intake, the rest was pretty typical other than the megasquirt
funny thing is i ran 2 tenths and 1mph better than with an Aftermarket ECU
but i made less power because the trigger wheel for the EDIS kept slipping and we had to be careful with timing
with a good tune i would have made more than the 156whp i had with the aftermarket ECU and im sure i could have got into the flat 14's
13.9 or so with the head and intake manifold i didnt have on yet

the car has been apart a while and the new setup that im assembling now is a 2.4 with a holset H1C and bullseye housing

the fastest NA neon i can recall at this time that wasnt pro would likely be steve kalesa who i belive was around 11.9 maybee low 12's on slicks

 

[IslandTSI]

Making the car as light as possible is the key for you to run fast times. Making a lot of power is not gonna happen, but you can drop a hell of a lot of weight from our cars. And every 100lb's should equal roughly 1/10th in the quarter. Give or take

 

[spoo76]

Not that it would be worth it for the price VS a turbo kit,
but has anyone done the 2.2 stroker?

the highest WHP ive seen in person on the dyno from a dohc neon 2.0 was 235ish with standalone but im sure on race gas there has been someone making 250

i would imagine it would be a little harder in a 2gNT because the fact there are no hihflow longtube headers readily available, well as far as ive seen anyway

 

[Locke]

bullettdsm has the strongest provable 2gNT build on this site. (sans stroker)
awddynamite had the quickest 2gNT times (to my knowledge) before he turbo'd. ( <--- incorrect)

 

[90blacktsiawd]

There was a guy around here who ran a 14.1 with a 2gb NA. Don't recall everything he had done to it but he could drive the wheels off that thing.

 

[cs82685]

bullettdsm has the strongest provable 2gNT build on this site. (sans stroker)
awddynamite had the quickest 2gNT times (to my knowledge) before he turbo'd.

awddynamite has the fastest times on this site for a boosted 2gnt for sure
but are you saying he also had the quickest times pre turbo? If so what and are they documented? Regardless I have a feeling Mark (bullettdsm) is going to be in the 13's once he gets back to the track, he was knocking on the door at the end of last season.

As far as I know Mark has the highest hp n/a 2gnt, no turbo, no nitrous, but pretty much everything else. 179whp I believe was his latest

There was a guy around here who ran a 14.1 with a 2gb NA. Don't recall everything he had done to it but he could drive the wheels off that thing.

with or w/o nitrous?

 

[Locke]

awddynamite has the fastest times on this site for a boosted 2gnt for sure
but are you saying he also had the quickest times pre turbo? If so what and are they documented?

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/420a/0/983daf82-2415-49ee-9560-750da52ff4c7.htm
12.47 @108 on stock motor (prepped car for sure)

 

[cs82685]

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/420a/0/983daf82-2415-49ee-9560-750da52ff4c7.htm
12.47 @108 on stock motor (prepped car for sure)

Well yeah the motor was stock, but the car was boosted

hell you can clearly see the fmic

these cars are capable of 11s on a completely stock motor if someone is willing to push the envelope and see how much the motor can take with a GOOD tune. my motor is completely stock from the valve cover down and have ran 12.4s consistently for about 6months now with no major problems besides a shitty spec clutch that just didnt want no more.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/fastest+420a/0/983DAF82-2415-49EE-9560-750DA52FF4C7.htm
i am a guy on 2gnt.com that has gone mid 12s in one of these cars, a good tuner will go a long way!!!

im part of a shop in las vegas called trevtec and i have been working on 420As for about 6years now.
the car in the video that i posted is my 420a dsm and also have a first gen that was almost 700whp. i put down 308whp and 305ftlbs at 16psi and said ONLY IF SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE AND HAVE A GOOD TUNER!!
i have the portfueler from hahn with the 500cc injectors and a garrett t3t4 with a star manifold, intercooler is custom in house. any other questions i will be happy to reply.
OBVIOUSLY THESE CARS CAN HANDLE MORE THAN ALOT OF PEOPLE THINK.

 

[Locke]

"Huh, I never made the connection. Thanks Mr. Obvious, you're a life saver."

Didn't notice the fmic. When somebody tells me "completely stock", I tend to think "completely stock". A turbocharged 420a is hardly stock. He probably should have stated "stock internals" to be more clear.

I would retract that statement then. Sorry.

 

[90blacktsiawd]

with or w/o nitrous?

Without

 

[cs82685]

Without

Interesting, I'd be curious to see his mods.

When somebody tells me "completely stock", I tend to think "completely stock". A turbocharged 420a is hardly stock. He probably should have stated "stock internals" to be more clear.

I would retract that statement then. Sorry.

This may be arguing semantics, but it does say 'Stock Motor" Doesn't say no bolt ons. Regardless he's still doing awesome things with the platform and deserves credit

 

[Locke]

This may be arguing semantics, (...)

It is.

Regardless he's still doing awesome things with the platform and deserves credit

Agreed.

 

[bullettdsm]

There was a guy around here who ran a 14.1 with a 2gb NA. Don't recall everything he had done to it but he could drive the wheels off that thing.

Nah, gotta see proof. Not that you're bullshitting (I know that 14.1 is doable with these NA's) I just think that you may not remember it properly, or he may have been turbo or spray.

BTW, 14.332 currently at 176whp with MSnS this year. With the next closest 14.6 and then next right around 15, I find it hard to believe that there was a hang around 14.1 that nobody else heard about. Not saying it's not possible, just saying unlikely and without proof, can't buy in.

And right now Hahn has the record for the fastest at (I believe} 10.7's (not positive on that number right now. Too many hours at work WTF ). AWDynomite currently has the best shot at beating that. He ran 11.0's last year with a new, more powerful, set-up this year.

MB

 

[white__racer420]

i dont know about the others but i have a fully built 420a turbo it has engine management. i took it to the track and ran low 10s also like hahn. i was using his kit and after i got it working i put different parts on it and came out with 547hp. i blew the trany out after 415hp.

 

[bullettdsm]

i took it to the track and ran low 10s .

Hahn didn't run low tens and.....meh, nevermind. Proof is in the pudding

MB

 

[Fotowntalon]

Most people wont belive these claims unless you can post your timeslip...

 

[DSM-ZERO]

i dont know about the others but i have a fully built 420a turbo it has engine management. i took it to the track and ran low 10s also like hahn. i was using his kit and after i got it working i put different parts on it and came out with 547hp. i blew the trany out after 415hp.

Your car never ran low 10's ..maybe in the 1/8 mile. You have to show proof video and a time slip!!

Also
Hahn CLAIMS!!! they went 10.87 but i have never ever seen a time slip or video of that car making the run....To the rest of the world this would not be enough proof. So why do we let them get away with making these false claims??

 

[bullettdsm]

Your car never ran low 10's ..maybe in the 1/8 mile. You have to show proof video and a time slip!!

Don't bother Zero. No argument needed.

Hahn CLAIMS!!! they went 10.87 but i have never ever seen a time slip or video of that car making the run....To the rest of the world this would not be enough proof. So why do we let them get away with making these false claims??

As I understand it, there were members of the forums at the time, who saw the runs.

But lets make that a moot point anyway, and one of us GET ON THE TRACK!

MB

 

[DSM-ZERO]

Im tryin Mark Im trying i really really want to go. I hope soon very soon then Ill be the fastest

 

[EDM95]

I will when I am done with my build no turbo no nos none of that.