Bit of prob on my new 2g eclipse

[jm1080]

i just bought a used 99 eclipse gs non turbo with 68k mileage, for a pretty cheap price, overall i think its in good condition, but there are a few things that got me a little worried.

When i was buying the car at a local small dealer, i took it on a test drive i check absolutely everything and everything ran perfect, no probs no leaks no nothing. But i noticed the engine service light on, and the guy told me it was because it had an aftermarket intake and it had no o2 sensor or something like that. Kinda suspicious but my friend that came with me said that could be true. Then it needed an oil change too, so it was low on oil. But since its a small dealer place they dont do services. The cars are sold as is with no warranty. But the guy was nice enough to give us 3 days to take it to a mechanic because he said that he knows there are no probs with the car and if the mechanic states there are probs i will get a refund for the car. Also a little bit of smoke is coming out of the exhaust it not black smoke it like clear foggy smoke but its very little, my friend told me its cause it needs the oil change, but im not too sure.

Do you guys think its alright or it needs alot of work, and when i goto the mechanic today what are some things i should tell him to check. Im not too good with cars so i dont want to get scammed or nothing. Anyways thanks.

 

[halik008]

white smoke = head gasket dead

blue smoke = burning oil...low oil won't cause the car to smoke.....bad rings or vlave seals will

Don't know much about non turbo put i'm almost positive aftermarket intake won't throw a CEL and the intake is not at all o2 related since o2 is part of the exhaust .

 

[95TalonOwner]

i just bought a used 99 eclipse gs non turbo with 68k mileage, for a pretty cheap price, overall i think its in good condition, but there are a few things that got me a little worried.

When i was buying the car at a local small dealer, i took it on a test drive i check absolutely everything and everything ran perfect, no probs no leaks no nothing. But i noticed the engine service light on, and the guy told me it was because it had an aftermarket intake and it had no o2 sensor or something like that. Kinda suspicious but my friend that came with me said that could be true. Then it needed an oil change too, so it was low on oil. But since its a small dealer place they dont do services. The cars are sold as is with no warranty. But the guy was nice enough to give us 3 days to take it to a mechanic because he said that he knows there are no probs with the car and if the mechanic states there are probs i will get a refund for the car. Also a little bit of smoke is coming out of the exhaust it not black smoke it like clear foggy smoke but its very little, my friend told me its cause it needs the oil change, but im not too sure.

Do you guys think its alright or it needs alot of work, and when i goto the mechanic today what are some things i should tell him to check. Im not too good with cars so i dont want to get scammed or nothing. Anyways thanks.

Doesn't sound bad to me. Just check under your car right after the catalytic converter and look to see if the o2 sensore was really removed. An intake would not cause the engine light to come on.

Change the oil. It's not that hard. What do you mean when you say "foggy" smoke? Is the smoke blue-ish or white? If it is only when the car is cold, then it is most likely just condensation evaporating .away.

And change your car profile. Since you have a non turbo, you have an eclipse gs not gst

 

[jm1080]

i tried looking under to see if there was no o2 sensor but i really dunt know what that looks like so ill just tell the mechanic to check for it. Also i just went to turn on the car and i dont see anymore smoke out of the exhaust before i saw very little but i dunt think it was smoke really dont know how to explain i think thats how exhausts are sorry im very new to this.

Also it smells a bit like fuel when i turn on the car, its in the garage so maybe thats why, dont know if thats normal but i know there are no leaks cuase i have checked with the car on for like 30min. When i opened the fuel lid on the knob i can barely read but it says something like "listen for click or else engine light will go on, i hear a click when i put the knob back in and when i take it out, but it engine light still on so i assume its something else right?

 

[Slow4G64]

Yeah, the click thing for the fuel cap has to do with vacuum in the system. Some cars have to be reset or the CEL will stay on. I don't know about the Eclipse, but my Galant will turn off the CEL if everything is running fine. Here's what you should do, if the CEL is on go to a Autozone (maybe Advanced Auto Parts) or something equivalent and ask if they have an OBDII scanner. Then they will plug a device into your car, (usually under the steering wheel) and it will pull the error code. Then post or get a service manual, such as Chilton's, and find out what the problem is.

 

[jm1080]

i went to the mechanic but they took way too long but the owner which is a friend of mine checked out the car and i told him about why the engine service light is on and he looked under the hood and saw the intake and said thats a pretty expensive intake and it doesnt connect to where the stock used to be and since it doesnt and it aftermarket it dont have a sensor or something like that and that why it could be on, which is exactly what the dealer that sold me the car said. Maybe they are both wrong, i guess ill just need to wait to see the mechanic tomorrow, full inspection take about 1hr is that good?

Also how much for an oil change its the first time i will do one for a full synthetic? my friend said like 20 bucks, but then again the mechanic told me 80. Not really sure if someone can help thanks.

 

[crazy_skier]

hey hey $80 for an oil change you might as well pay $8 bucks a gallon for gas becuase you can get a full service done for $35 at jiffy lube

 

[girlieracr4g63]

Not sure about where you live. However where I live. No matter how small the rock lot or dealership is. It CAN NOT sell a car that wont pass inspection, and a car with a light on will not pass inspection. Just an idea you might want to check into.


Wendy

 

[VelocitàPaola]

jm1080, let me know if you ever need any help with your car. I'm always hanging out around Boca or Coral Springs. We can go get those codes pulled and see exactly what's going on with your car. And oil changes are easy. If you don't know how to do one, it won't take long for you to learn.

Wendy, we don't have emissions testing in Florida anymore, so the dealers here can get away with a lot.

 

[4UH8ERS]

i went to the mechanic but they took way too long but the owner which is a friend of mine checked out the car and i told him about why the engine service light is on and he looked under the hood and saw the intake and said thats a pretty expensive intake and it doesnt connect to where the stock used to be and since it doesnt and it aftermarket it dont have a sensor or something like that and that why it could be on, which is exactly what the dealer that sold me the car said. Maybe they are both wrong, i guess ill just need to wait to see the mechanic tomorrow, full inspection take about 1hr is that good?

Also how much for an oil change its the first time i will do one for a full synthetic? my friend said like 20 bucks, but then again the mechanic told me 80. Not really sure if someone can help thanks.

First off, please show me a picture of this intake that does not connect where the factory intake does? Second what sensor is removed when you put an intake on your car?
Third, You can easily change your own oil. If you want someone else to do it I would not change to synthetic now after its had regular motor oil in it it's whole life and you only have an intake on it. Synthetic oil lasts longer and is more structurally stable at high RPM's, which can lead to unleashing more of the cars hp potential at high RPM's whic has been tested and proven. In your case it's not neccessary, just get a regular oil change.
Drive it till it dies, and when you rebuild in the future go to synthetic and stay synthetic.

 

[EclipsedOut]

The intake has nothing to do with the O2 sensors. The car has two 02 sensors, 1 on the downpipe and 1 on the exhaust pipe right after the catalytic converter. They are the only things screwed into the exhaust system, they look like a big nut(19mm) with a stem with wires coming out of them.
You can check the CEL codes yourself, here is how:
To check the PCM codes, insert the key into the ignition and switch the key ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON within a 5 sec. time period. Then count the Engine light flashes. The number of flashes represents the trouble code. There is a slight pause between the flashes representing the first and second digits of the code. Longer pauses separate indivdual trouble codes. All codes will end with 55 which signifies End of Codes / No detected failure.
Once you find out your codes go here to see what they are.
http://www.2gnt.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=8
You may get the first two numbers being 1-2. If the first two numbers are 12 that means the power was disconnected within the last 50 key cycles.

As far as the "foggy" exhaust, if it smokes white check your oil for signs of anti-freeze and check your anti-freeze. It should not be all bubbly or foamy.
Like Talonowner said, If it is only when the car is cold, then it is most likely just condensation evaporating away.

Let us know how you make out.

 

[95TalonOwner]

Yeah, there are no sensors on the intake pipe so that would not throw the code.

 

[jm1080]

ok everyone i got back from the mechanic and he checked out the car, test drove it and everything. he said the car seems fine he found no probs, except it needed an alignment, the check engine light said they needed to connect it to the computer to check, but that costs money so we decided not to do it today, my friend told me autozone does it for free, but i cant find one around here i have to keep looking.

Anyways the 2 back tires need to be changed ### they have a little tear. And one thing i noticed was that the fuel gauges little bar stays at half tank and lowered very little and the gas light came up and it wasnt even on empty, i went to some random mechanic and he said it might need a fuel pump, but i dont think so i think its just the gauge that got messed up cause they are custom, i then went to refill the gas tank which only was 12gallons to fill then the light turned off and it went to full tank on the gauge so i dont know what was the deal before. So what do you guys think?

And VelocitàPaola yea i would like to show you my car and see what you think just pm me or email me if you ever want to meet up i need to learn more about my car .

PS: I have some pics so i can show but how do i upload em on here?

 

[95TalonOwner]

The gas gauges in these cars are very inaccurate. The light may have come on and you filled it up all the way with only 12 gallons but in reality, the gas tank has a 17 gallon capacity.

Don't listen to that dumb ass mechanic that told you the fuel pump might be bad.

 

[jm1080]

here are some pics if anyone else needs more pics ill take more

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you can see first pic is of engine, second you see the aem intake, third pic you see like the intake going down under the car instead of that hole you see where stock used to be, and fourth pic is like upward point of view where the intake goes all the way down there

 

[95TalonOwner]

Thats about a 200 dollar intake and it would in no way cause the check engine light. You could purchase your own scanner and check the code yourself if you really want to.

 

[jm1080]

damn so i have no idea why the engine light is on, i was looking at scanner but its pretty expensive and i have no idea how it works.

At the mechanic place they would run the computer and check all electronics on the car for 89 bucks i dont know if thats worth it though. everything so expensive just to check things

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Bah! You can get it scanned for free at any Advance/Discounty/Pep Boys/AutoZone. There are two Advance Auto's right on 441 (by Palmetto Park and by Yamato, I think). We'll go get the code pulled together when we meet up.

Chances are it's just something emissions related. I don't know your goals for the car, but if you're interested in performance, the CEL will soon become your best friend. I've gotten used to mine, but hey, that's just me...

 

[jm1080]

i went to advance auto parts next to target and they said they dont do that stuff, so i dont know i heard autozone does do that though in w atlantic blvd if you know where that is, but yeah VelocitàPaola, we really gotta meet up cause i have no idea what you are talkin about

 

[VelocitàPaola]

I've been to the AutoZone on Atlantic before... I've also been to the Advance Auto you went to, and they pulled a code for me. I think the guys there get lazy sometimes, and they won't go outside unless you sound like you really know what you're talking about.

 

[jm1080]

yea i know cause i have no idea what code are, so lets say i go in, what should i say exactly? like can u check my cars code or something like that?

Also my cars rpm and tempurature gauge lights wont go on, they are custom, but the speedometer and fuel gauges do turn on, i dont know if there is just some wire not plugged in right, you think they would fix that for free too or no?

 

[VelocitàPaola]

There's very little that they will (or can) fix for free. I'd need to see the gauges to figure out what's wrong with them.

When you go in, just say you have a check engine light and that you need the code pulled. I can't see why they'd deny you that unless it's after dark (a lot of places won't go outside to customer cars when it's dark out). Sound assertive, like you know exactly what you want.

 

[jm1080]

oh alright ill do that thanks by the way what exactly is a code? is that to like turn off the engine light or something? is it a number they will tell me? and what will i need to use the code for? thanks again.

 

[Locke]

your cars computer will detect faults, and store the faults as a code.. example, if the computer gets an out of range signal from the EGR, will will throw a code 32. The CEL (Check Engine Light) comes on to let you know a code is stored. With the code, you know where to begin looking for the problem.

 

[cs82685]

The intake has nothing to do with the O2 sensors. The car has two 02 sensors, 1 on the downpipe and 1 on the exhaust pipe right after the catalytic converter. They are the only things screwed into the exhaust system, they look like a big nut(19mm) with a stem with wires coming out of them.
You can check the CEL codes yourself, here is how:
To check the PCM codes, insert the key into the ignition and switch the key ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON within a 5 sec. time period. Then count the Engine light flashes. The number of flashes represents the trouble code. There is a slight pause between the flashes representing the first and second digits of the code. Longer pauses separate indivdual trouble codes. All codes will end with 55 which signifies End of Codes / No detected failure.
Once you find out your codes go here to see what they are.
http://www.2gnt.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=8
You may get the first two numbers being 1-2. If the first two numbers are 12 that means the power was disconnected within the last 50 key cycles.

As far as the "foggy" exhaust, if it smokes white check your oil for signs of anti-freeze and check your anti-freeze. It should not be all bubbly or foamy.
Like Talonowner said, If it is only when the car is cold, then it is most likely just condensation evaporating away.

Let us know how you make out.

Actually, that only worked for 95-96's and some 97's if I remember correctly so he wouldn't be able to do it.