What are the odds of....

[D'seclipse]

What are the odds of a NT taking a vtec? With mods, obviously. Thats pretty much one of my goals to be able to smoke those damn Hondas and their vtec's. Also, how do those dumb Focus's match up with our NT's with their Zetec?

 

[cucumber]

Well, you should beat all the Hondas stock except for a GSR, Si, S2000, NSX, Type R....

I mean, this question is a little general...so that's the best answer I can give you.

 

[D'seclipse]

What would I need to beat a vtec? HP goals and parts needed?

 

[dont need 8]

Best bet is to find out what amount of horse power a stock Vtec puts to the ground (both Auto and Manual or whichever is higher would suffice). Then, found out what your modded 420a puts to the ground. Then compare those numbers, take into consideration your drivng skill and your opponents driving skill. From here you can get a good idea of where you stand.

I would probably visit a Honda board and search for their base HP to the wheels. I am sure you can find most Eclipse stats here in the search area. It is too general to ask which mods are needed, depends on a host of things beginning with how well does your engine run now, is it maintained, have any leaks or issues.

Hope this helps.

 

[nvs]

it's all about power and weight. honda's are light. vtec makes it tough for the average na to beat. you might be able to beat a few older civics.....but i seriously think that's about it. a stock dsm puts out 140hp (at the crank) and they weigh around 3k lbs......not a good combo. your best bet to hang with those vtecs would prolly be atleast an intake, exhaust, and 50-75 shot of nitrous.

any decently modded vtec will most likely take you no problem tho.

 

[dvsjay]

yup it's hard. it's about hp to weight. more weight more hp u need. with a intake headers exaust you might be able to hang with a stock vtech not a prelude, s2gs, nsx, si and so forth tho too fast. but if they are fixed up no way.. give u a honda to honda example one of members of my team has a 97 4 door integ with a gsr vtech motor he has cai, greddy stainless headers and greddy evo exaust. at the time we raced i had about the same i could bearly keep up with him. my other team mate just did a swap in his accord with a h22a (prelude vetch) motor they raced he blew his doors off his accord is stock acccept for a muffler. that's just crazy. well i'm turbo now and my team sold his integ for a truck, i wonder if that race had anything to do with that.

jay

 

[xhypno]

, in a moded 1g or 2g you should be able to take most Vtecs easy. Vtec motors suck.... There torque curve doesn't hit max torque until between 5500 and 7000 RPM. The 2k SI has 160hp at 7000rpm, but only makes 123ft/lbs of torque at 6300rpm. The reason why this happens is the V-tec. The V-tec system used on all hodas and Acuras except the new SI, RSX type S, S2000, and the NSX; keeps 2 valves close untill 4500 RPM, this gives more power up to, but less on the bottom. They do this because it gives the vechile better gas mileage. But it cuts back on there 1/4 mile. Look at most pro honda drag cars, they have no vtec or moded vtec engines (vtec system redone, with a full vtec control system). If the NT DSM (except the 1.8) is moded right, you should take them pretty easily, (the si's and gsr's will be about even, to 1/2 a car behind). But for a 1g there is no competition. The 1g is a lot faster of the line then the 2g (just because of gearing). In my 1g project car, I kill si's and gsr's, and hang with the new rsx type s. Unless they have a vtec controller, then they have alot more power down low and it is difficult to beat them.

xhypno

 

[97GSTURBO]

You need to run faster than 17 in the 1/4... When I go to the track there are not many Honda's there that run faster than 18... My accord runs a consistent 17.0, most of the civics and accords and integras there run 17.5 or higher. That may be that they suck at driving but it's a good baseline to start from! I'm not into comparing HP and torque and bench racing so I'm not going to give you the standard power to weight BS... Shoot for 14's or 15's and you'll be tearing up a lot of people.

There is a guy that brings his early 90's accord to the track and runs low 13's with his car completely stripped and a prelude engine in it.

L8R

 

[xhypno]

That's what I am saying, out of all the hondas (other then S2000 and NSX) the TYpe R integra is the fastest, and it only runs a 15.9 stock. A guy I work with put 3k in the engine, and did everything except Turbo, NOS or vtec controller, and he only hits 15.3, another friend of mine has a JDM d18c5 in a crx and can only hit high 14's. With how my 1g nt is right now, I am runnin high 14's. I have not found a honda locally that can take me, except for my cousins si with the vtec controller, exhuast, and intake. that is why hondas are ricers... That is all there is to it.

xhypno

 

[D'seclipse]

Well I have the cai and the catback exhaust, what should I get next, short of nitrous or a turbo. Im looking to go all motor. Im gonna get a cat. Ive heard good things about ignitions(MSD and Jacobs) what do you guys and gals think? Thnx for the help. All I want to do is run high 15's and be streetable. But most importantly beat those ricers.

 

[dvsjay]

yup I also said that cvics, integs, you should be able to hang with them. I don't know about all hondas being sucky, but i think alot of them think they are fast and could n't beat a stock 2gnt. but where i am i see alot of fast ones with turbo and some just na hitting 13's and 12's. but the majority have an intake and are lowered on stocks and they rev on anything moves. i say get headers, p&p tb, do the msd with good plugs and wires and aem cam gears and you should be close to 15's short shifter too. You couls do is get higher compression psitons do some head work, cam if you want to get lower times.

JAy

 

[xhypno]

the only ones that are quick of the line (other then s2k's and nsx's), are the older non-vtec dohc, they produce max torque down low, just like most cars (except vtec's with out vtec controllers).

xhypno

 

[D'seclipse]

Thanks for all the help

 

[cucumber]

Originally posted by xhypno
That's what I am saying, out of all the hondas (other then S2000 and NSX) the TYpe R integra is the fastest, and it only runs a 15.9 stock. A guy I work with put 3k in the engine, and did everything except Turbo, NOS or vtec controller, and he only hits 15.3, another friend of mine has a JDM d18c5 in a crx and can only hit high 14's. With how my 1g nt is right now, I am runnin high 14's. I have not found a honda locally that can take me, except for my cousins si with the vtec controller, exhuast, and intake. that is why hondas are ricers... That is all there is to it.

xhypno

Type R's run a 14.9 stock. Be careful with false information, happy, that car is not slow.

And how are you running high 14's in your 1GNT?

 

[ninja0331]

My friend has a 92 integra with the 1.8 NON-VTEC. Trust me, the car is stock except for a muffler. He takes a car on me every time we race, whether it's from start, rolling on 1st second or third. That little sucker has alot of bottom end power.

Ohh, by the way, both my eclipse and his honda take on VTECH civics all the time. He has a 75HP wet NOS that I made the mistake of running against once...about 10 carlenghts..it was ugly...very ugly...but again, that's his integra.

A properly modded 1G dsm should take a civic ANYTIME, no excuse, if you can't beat them, there is something seriously wrong with your engine/tranny or you.

 

[xhypno]

look at my mod list, I have about 2k under the hood All-Motor. It is my project car, I am trying to get into the high 12's with out a turbo or nos.

Every car site I have ever gone to puts the type r at 15.9. If it was a 14.9, it would be almost as fast as an s2000, and they are not.

yeah ninja, that is because the non vtec dohc are the fastest.

 

[cucumber]

Originally posted by xhypno
look at my mod list, I have about 2k under the hood All-Motor. It is my project car, I am trying to get into the high 12's with out a turbo or nos.

Every car site I have ever gone to puts the type r at 15.9. If it was a 14.9, it would be almost as fast as an s2000, and they are not.

yeah ninja, that is because the non vtec dohc are the fastest.

I don't believe you run 14's in your car...and yes, a Type R is a high 14 car...

I also know that an s2000 is a high 13 low 14 second car...

Get your facts straight...

 

[Jason]

you guys are morons. first of all its VTEC not vtech the phone company. VTEC doesnt keep two valves closed until 4500 rpms. VTEC doesnt even start until 5500 rpms and it uses oil pressure to lock a pin in place to utilize the bigger lobe on the cams. wow, and you guys are car people? and by the way yes the pro drag racers do use VTEC motors. the AEM civic uses a turboed H22(by the way that is VTEC motor. And Lisa Kubo uses a B16A head( yes that is a VTEC head) so please inform me of your vast VTEC knowledge some more. You guys need to do some research before you post a bunch of #@%#@%#@%#@% on your website.

YTwithSI.

 

[D'seclipse]

Anyways..........what kinda mods will I need? I know i'll need more just a cai and exhaust......wont I?

 

[D'seclipse]

Anyways..........what kinda mods will I need? I know i'll need more just a cai and exhaust......wont I?

 

[cucumber]

Originally posted by Jason
you guys are morons. first of all its VTEC not vtech the phone company. VTEC doesnt keep two valves closed until 4500 rpms. VTEC doesnt even start until 5500 rpms and it uses oil pressure to lock a pin in place to utilize the bigger lobe on the cams. wow, and you guys are car people? and by the way yes the pro drag racers do use VTEC motors. the AEM civic uses a turboed H22(by the way that is VTEC motor. And Lisa Kubo uses a B16A head( yes that is a VTEC head) so please inform me of your vast VTEC knowledge some more. You guys need to do some research before you post a bunch of #@%#@%#@%#@% on your website.

YTwithSI.

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[curtis_rak]

Dseclipse...

Do all of the necessary bolt ons first, thats what I would do.

-Pulleys
-Header, test pipe
-Plugs. wires
-Look into a JET chip, and the Jeep throttle body mod

Then do,
-cam gears, cams
-look into the headwork
-raise compression

Start small, work your way up. My guess with the bolt ons and what you currently have...roughly 160-170hp???

 

[teddyrux]

Commenting on a post awhile back from a 1ger who "keeps up with rsx type s's with vtec controllers."

This can't be done - there aren't and can't be any vtec controllers for rsx's.
Sorry

Peace, Teddy

 

[Jason]

if i were you i would do cams and cam gears. that's gonna be a huge gain right there. then i would do a cat-back system, cold air intake, plugs, and wires. then you might be able to hang with an si, and that is a big MAYBE.

 

[teddyrux]

To tell you the truth, before i bought my present 99' Rs, i had a 97' Saturn SC2, which was given to me by my mother.
At that time i was in love with si's, and consequently, that just happened to be my mom's next car purchase. Boo hoo, but whatever.
Since then (before i had to get rid of that saturn shitebox due to a damaged quill bearing, and busted main seal among other things) I tried everything i could to get my mom to give me the 00' si.
Getting to the point and making a long story short, I've driven that si numerous (20-30) times, and many times right before i'd drive my car.
Even though i've only got a cai, it honestly feels like my eclipse pulls harder than that si. - As for top end, i don't think i could hang, but i believe a 1/4 run would only result in the si about a car length ahead.

Modded is a different story. I've also driven a 99' si with short ram, a new clutch from clutch masters, and 2.6 in. exhaust with a hollowed out cat.......I wouldn't stand a chance.

So in closing, as long as you're a step ahead of an si in terms of performance upgrades, it can be a good race. We don't have to fall victim to the honda bandwagon. (But what a performance-rich bandwagon it is)

Peace, Teddy