Dynoed a friends car(video)

[biglady112]

I just got back from the dyno at MAC today. Yesterday I did a street tune and went there today for a baseline. Here is a little about my car for those who don't know.

Jack built 2.3L w/ eagle rods and JE pistons
Ported head with hks 272s and crower springs
Full race t3/t67 w/ .63 a/r housing
3" catted tbe
e85 fuel system with 1600cc injectors
1g intake manifold w/ stock 2g throttle body
FMIC
dsmlink w/ 3" MAF
ARC-2 CDI

I got 3 runs in with the first being at 596 hp, the next heat soaked and went down to 57X hp. Lastly we advanced the timing before 4k rpm to help spool and gave the car time to cool down. With that one we managed 611 hp and 549 ft lbs. All this was done at 33 psi (35 on the street). It started to go a little lean up top and richened it back up, but we we're out of pulls.



YouTube - 1995 Eclipse 611hp 549tq

Click here for the dyno sheet.

Rocky Mountain DSM Forums - Dyno'd at MAC


Uncorrected numbers were 497hp 446tq.

Full boost on the street(35psi) is seen at 4200rpm.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

dsmlink with 1600's! your the man... haha. Nice numbers man, is that a ball bearing 67mm ?

 

[stockfornow]

Nice, congrats. So, who's is it excatly? Oh check your PM.

 

[biglady112]

Luke's turbo is non ball bearing.

I have tuned 8 different cars with 1600's and dsmlink. I have owned 2 with 1600's and dsmlink as well. No big deal.

The owner is Luke Baron. He is a good friend of mine. His screen name on all the boards is lbaron.

Steven

 

[aero_sallee]

Luke's turbo is non ball bearing.

I have tuned 8 different cars with 1600's and dsmlink. I have owned 2 with 1600's and dsmlink as well. No big deal.

The owner is Luke Baron. He is a good friend of mine. His screen name on all the boards is lbaron.

Steven

What 1600s have you used?

 

[biglady112]

Fords(turned down), FIC's(Ford's), PTE, Off brand brown topped Bosch and an off brand baby blue top Bosch.

Steven

 

[aero_sallee]

Fords(turned down), FIC's(Ford's), PTE, Off brand brown topped Bosch and an off brand baby blue top Bosch.

Steven

By turned down you are talking about resizing it to fit the rail I'm guessing?

Are there any you prefer? I'm wanting to get some 1600s for E85 come spring, so I'm curious.

 

[turboglenn]

impressive, what kind of timing numbers were you running through out the curve at your highest loads?

You could spool the turbo slightly faster by actually retarding timing and adding a bit of fuel where you said you advanced the timing to help spool. Or maybe you just typed is back wards.

i can't wait to get back on the dyno now that I've got a few bugs worked out and some cash in case i blow her up ( hope that doesn't happen) But I'd still like to have cams, alchy/meth injection and bigger injectors before i pay for dyno time.

 

[biglady112]

Most if not all of the Bosch 150lb/hr or more injectors have to be turned down. FIC does this as well. So no real rocket science to this. I just prefer injectors that work.

Timing numbers are around 14* peak for ignition timing. And I have proven it over and over again and it is 100% effective that leaner mixtures and more timing upon spoolup will yeild excellent gains down low. We did back to back tests for everyone at the dyno just to prove it, and while not drastic numbers, the HP and TQ curves went more vertical sooner(moved to the left and stood straight up). So no, no typo above. We did go from 596hp to 611hp actually with no fuel changes and with BIG timing advance from 4000rpm and lower. No timing changes from 4500 rpm and up.

Steven

 

[awesome_asim187]

Those are some pretty nice numbers.

Full boost at 4200rpm that is pretty insane. Great tuner.

 

[biglady112]

I am not really a great tuner, I just am very consistent with what I do. And tuning 46 different dsmlink powered cars has given me the experience to know what works and how to get around obstacles. Anyone on the dsmlink forums is just as capable as I am. The program is easy to use and understand. There is nothing in the program that I see or do that no one else can't do. Again, it is just four to five years of constant experimenting, breaking parts and experience which has led me to the levels I am at today.

Steven

 

[absolute_DSM]

Thats a good job Steven. And youre right, the DSMlink forums are a very good tuning tool, but it still takes practice.

By the way, what exhaust is he running? Its pretty throaty, I like it.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

I wish I was coming out to Colorado sometime soon, care to share more info about the FIC 1600's ? I'm looking to get a set after reading this. I've always heard that dsmlink and 1600's don't mix well at idle. What mod to the rail or injectors must be done ? I want my car to make some good power on e85 for the street (like maybe 600ish, jk but around 400 or so would be ok for now)

 

[turboglenn]

Most if not all of the Bosch 150lb/hr or more injectors have to be turned down. FIC does this as well. So no real rocket science to this. I just prefer injectors that work.

Timing numbers are around 14* peak for ignition timing. And I have proven it over and over again and it is 100% effective that leaner mixtures and more timing upon spoolup will yeild excellent gains down low. We did back to back tests for everyone at the dyno just to prove it, and while not drastic numbers, the HP and TQ curves went more vertical sooner(moved to the left and stood straight up). So no, no typo above. We did go from 596hp to 611hp actually with no fuel changes and with BIG timing advance from 4000rpm and lower. No timing changes from 4500 rpm and up.

Steven

14* peak? Wow, isn't that kind of low for e85? It seems like everyone else seems to be running 24-26 or more on it even on pump gas. But if the car was showing detonation above that then i guess 14 is what you get. I'm not knocking your tuning at all, just trying to understand what the maps are looking like. And yea, you can make more power on less boost by going leaner while it's spooling, i was just saying that an extra retarded timing curve (only 5-8* advance) with extra fuel during spool up will yield a faster spool. Of course things just may be different on DSMlink, i've only touched a couple of cars with it on them. But on every other of the few hundred stand alones i've put in and tuned, the provisions for speeding up spool have always been a combo of retarded timing and a richer mixture... it will make less power during the spool but spools much faster.

way to go on making big power either way. I notice your #'s in your profile are right near the same #'s that i made when i pushed it to peak boost on the dyno (468hp/429ft/lbs on 28 psi) i'm gonna have to go look at your mods list and see how similar our cars may be.

Keep up the good work, i may be switching my car back to a stock harness and go DSMlink while i put my haltech in another project here soon.. it's either that or an AWD conversion, but the conversion sounds like less overall work, so i might just do that and buy an EVO for a daily driver.

 

[biglady112]

FIC injectors are a 'bolt on" afair. No modding needed what so ever. They just slide in like stock injectors.

Again, the timing is from experience. I am a firm believer in making power with boost and not timing. I was too greedy at one time with E85(18-20* timing) with big boost and airflow. Lets just say the facroty piston did not last long. Every car is differenet. Awder here is running the borg warner S256 and is running 17* of timing. The numbers should not matter. The end result is all that matters. On our 2G, we were running 0* base timing and 13* ignition timing in AEM. Timing is a bad thing if you ask me.

My engine was bone stock. Just a lot of boost on a half ass setup.

Steven

 

[90laserRSfwd]

FIC's it is then..