I Think I'm Ready For A Bigger Turbo and Link...Opinions?

[RWKustoms]

As the title says I think I'm ready for a bigger turbo (maybe a 50 Trim) and also DSMlink. I've never dynoe'd my car but I run 18psi daily and occasionally higher whenever needed but I want to push above the 400WHP mark. I've read tons of threads about how the Evo III can handle upwards of 380WHP but I really dont want to max it out. I was just thinking of selling it and upgrading to a 50 trim (mainly PTE's 50 trim), and this is where my problem lies. Because of all the options I need some input from you smart guys here on what to get. I've read different opinions and would like these opinions to be in my thread along with more info.

DSMlink... I'm also going to take the plunge and finally get DSMlink because it's something that I wanna learn everything about. Now I understand that the default setting for a chipped ECU is for 780's.. is this true? Should I also just upgrade to 1000cc and sell my 550's?

I also have a couple more items on my list like FFWD cams, meth injection, Quaife LSD (if they ever get them in stock), SMIM etc.. all on the stock block.

I just got a SUV (Ford Explorer) as a daily driver so I'm going to wanna use this car for a weekend/race car along with trips to the drag strip occasionally hence why I'm thinking of doing these upgrades.

 

[project_tsi]

As the title says I think I'm ready for a bigger turbo (maybe a 50 Trim) and also DSMlink. I've never dynoe'd my car but I run 18psi daily and occasionally higher whenever needed but I want to push above the 400WHP mark. I've read tons of threads about how the Evo III can handle upwards of 380WHP but I really dont want to max it out. I was just thinking of selling it and upgrading to a 50 trim (mainly PTE's 50 trim), and this is where my problem lies. Because of all the options I need some input from you smart guys here on what to get. I've read different opinions and would like these opinions to be in my thread along with more info.

DSMlink... I'm also going to take the plunge and finally get DSMlink because it's something that I wanna learn everything about. Now I understand that the default setting for a chipped ECU is for 780's.. is this true? Should I also just upgrade to 1000cc and sell my 550's?

I also have a couple more items on my list like FFWD cams, meth injection, Quaife LSD (if they ever get them in stock), SMIM etc.. all on the stock block.

I just got a SUV (Ford Explorer) as a daily driver so I'm going to wanna use this car for a weekend/race car along with trips to the drag strip occasionally hence why I'm thinking of doing these upgrades.

If your looking for a very nice streetable quicker spooling 400whp, then a 50trim is right for you. Honestly, a 50 trim is the new 16G. If you don't mind a little more lag, then a 60-1 would be great for you too, especially being FWD. Being FWD you'd want something a bit laggier (sp?) so you don't rip the tires loose in a heart beat.

Combine either turbo with cams and a SMIM and your well on way to and past 400whp.

Tuning with DSMLink is great, almost anyone who has it will tell you that. I'll never waste my time toying with another AFC and pocket logger combo again. When you buy link, you can have the baseline injector settings set to whatever injectors you have, just tell Tom or Dave.

 

[LRS95TSI]

Honestly, a 50 trim is the new 16G.

WERD! the evo3 is not a 380whp but rather a 380hp at crank turbo...if it was me, since i'm in the same boat as you, i have decided come spring i am upgrading to something a little different, something that isn't so common as the standard pte5031 that you speak of...you should get 400whp on that turbo by 23-25 psi and some good timing...i really would like to have the fp3052 or green...if you have the money you can't beat it...little bit laggier but the bb sound is to die for....good luck with your purchase.

 

[brute]

You could also look at a GT3071. It will allow any more upgrades later on. For example, you could get it right now with a bolt-on turbine housing, but if you find you want more flow later, you could get a .63 a/r T3. Then, if you still want more, you could get a .82.

But a 50-trim or GT30-variant sounds just about right for you. And for DSM Link, it shouldn't even be a question. Just get it. You'll never, NEVER regret it. Injectors... what is your planned peak horsepower? The beauty with Link is you can get as big as you want.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

I'm still on a 16G variant, so I can't comment on the turbo portion of the upgrade.........but HELL YEA on the DSMLink part. Once you start tuning with it you'll wonder why you didn't buy it in the first place. Add a WB O2 and at least a 3BAR MAP wired in and you'll have an excellent tuning/logging package.

 

[andymoraitis]

Having run both the 50 trim and a 16G variant, I fully agree with Dan that the 50 trim simply owns. While I'll eventually step up to a 60-1 to really bring on the power, the 50 trim on a 2.3 is simply a blast to drive and really throws you back when the boost comes online. Plus, it's so much better on pump gas since the larger compressor cover creates less friction, and therefore less heat, in the air intake charge temps. I run mine at a hair over 25 psi daily with minimal knock.

For injectors, I'd pick up a set of 950's and have more than enough fueling than you'll ever need. I fully subscribe to Jim's idea that the fuel system should be sized to more than what you need to allow for future growth. Too bad I didn't listen when it came to my setup.

Have at it and enjoy,

Andy

 

[compression]

WERD! the evo3 is not a 380whp but rather a 380hp at crank turbo...if it was me, since i'm in the same boat as you, i have decided come spring i am upgrading to something a little different, something that isn't so common as the standard pte5031 that you speak of...you should get 400whp on that turbo by 23-25 psi and some good timing...i really would like to have the fp3052 or green...if you have the money you can't beat it...little bit laggier but the bb sound is to die for....good luck with your purchase.

http://www.slowboyracing.com/downloads/dyno graphs/Evo-III-16G/E316G Tubular vs. Cast.JPG

you people dont give the evo 3 16g enough credit

 

[compression]

i understand this probably isnt the best turbo for your application but i feel bad for the little monster everybody wants to pick on the evo 3

 

[andymoraitis]

http://www.slowboyracing.com/downloads/dyno graphs/Evo-III-16G/E316G Tubular vs. Cast.JPG

you people dont give the evo 3 16g enough credit

Those results are on a race built motor with a tubular header, external gate and a race gas tune with a Haltech. That's not the typical DSM setup so I don't expect that most people will achieve those types of numbers. I'd rather have my performance based on reasonably achievable results than the far edge of the tuning and performance envelope.

That being said it's a capable turbo, but it didn't flow enough air to handle cams on my 2.0 without dropping boost in the higher RPM's. Let's not even talk about what a joke it was on the stroker. The 50 trim, in contrast, is a superior turbo in every way. I've run mine to 30 psi and it held boost to redline and kept up with the stroker without a single hiccup.

I like EVO III's but I'll always feel that the 50 trim offers more bang for the buck and room to grow.

Just my .02,

Andy

 

[compression]

Those results are on a race built motor with a tubular header, external gate and a race gas tune with a Haltech. That's not the typical DSM setup so I don't expect that most people will achieve those types of numbers. I'd rather have my performance based on reasonably achievable results than the far edge of the tuning and performance envelope.

That being said it's a capable turbo, but it didn't flow enough air to handle cams on my 2.0 without dropping boost in the higher RPM's. Let's not even talk about what a joke it was on the stroker. The 50 trim, in contrast, is a superior turbo in every way. I've run mine to 30 psi and it held boost to redline and kept up with the stroker without a single hiccup.

I like EVO III's but I'll always feel that the 50 trim offers more bang for the buck and room to grow.

Just my .02,

Andy

i understand what you are saying and i agree with you, but i was just pointing it out to the disbelievers that the evo 3 16g, get this kids CAN make over 350 whp go figure and at 460 wtq? im not complaining. nor am i saying he should utilize the king of 16g's. i honestly think he would be upgrading shortly there after thus wasting his time , but the evo 3 16g is a great street turbo and i will fight to defend it till the day i die

 

[andymoraitis]

I agree. It's a great stock appearing street turbo. As with anything it has it's limitations. I just think it's easier to make big power on something that's more efficient but there's something to be said for really maxing out your combination and taking something smaller to the limits.

We're saying the same thing and doing so very respectfully I might add. See what happens when you can disaggree agreeably?

 

[compression]

i agree

 

[LRS95TSI]

oh stop you two silly boys!

yea the 3071 is an option to...what kind of airflow does the 3071 and 3076 offer, is it comparable or more then the 3052? these 3 turbos are in my mind my next upgrade but they are confusing me

 

[RWKustoms]

Thanks for all the info guys. My car has been a baby to me since I owned it and I do mean a baby in terms of how I baby it and not beat the piss out of it simply because it was my daily driver and I'm too cautious also. I'm looking for no more that 450WHP though, mainly because of the stock block.

I'm not really looking to go past that so I might not upgrade any further after these upgrades apart from little things here and there. I've thought about the FP Green but I've done most of my research on the PTE 50 trim. My two choices are the PTE5031 and the FP3052 and I would like to know which one hands down is a better choice. My goals are between 400-450WHP as I said and the car will mostly see the street and occasionally the track. I was thinking about 1000cc's injectors but If I'm fine with 950's and if it's cheaper, then that's what I'll go with.

As for DSMlink it's going to get purchased at the same time as the turbo and I wanted to ask if I should get my ECU chipped or just find a 95 Eprom?. I also definitely want to get some type of injection (water or meth), and it seems as if from reading several threads, that meth/alcohol is preferred and is more proven. I need some insight on this also.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

If you go DSMLink you'll have to first find a 95 EPROM ECU........no way around that. With DSMLink I will always say go big on fuel no matter what (850s minimum, it can handle 1600s without too much of an issue), however, the difference between 950s and 1000s are minimal as there's only a $10 difference between the 2 (FICs). Either should keep you and your motor happy.

 

[RWKustoms]

Ok cool, what do you think about those 2 turbos and which injection is better?

 

[FORMONTOYA]

I'm still running a 16G variant so I can't honestly comment between the 2 turbos.

If I personally had to do it all over again I would select the FIC injectors (any size) as I have read quite a number of positive reviews on them, especially about matching flow characteristics. As stated, the flow rating/HP capacity of either the 950s or 1000s is minimal, but for $10 a set difference..............

I know I'm adding to the budget, and of course it's not something you have to run out and get immediately, but adding a WB O2 and a true 3BAR MAP (up to the 5BAR if required) sensor wired into DSMLink will be a tuning godsend. After that you will have one hell of a tuning/logging package. The only reason to hit the dyno after that is for true corrected HP/torque numbers.

A combo water/alcohol mix is acceptable for the street, easier to find a vendor. Of course water/meth if you can find a reliable source. But generally you'll mix water with either on the street.

 

[almostquick]

street manners, 400hp, reliable.....go 20G, which I actually have one for sale.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

I forgot to add (and you probably already knew).........
Water only was originally used for its intake charge cooling characteristics. Adding a 50% mix of alcohol or meth is an octane adder which allows you to run your fuel mixture a little leaner. But I would highly recommend a low level light or alarm of some sort if you're relying on that added "boost" to the fuel mix.

With DSMLink you could also save several tunes........winter, summer, with injection, without, or any combination............and just load up the different setting when required.

 

[cfisher]

A 2g block can only handle 400whp and that is really pushing it. If you are really looking for that type of power you might as well add rods, pistons, valves, hg, head studs, ect. to the list. I would recommend staying around 350-375whp. If this car is your DD I would be looking into other transporation as well. Just my .2 cents. Hope everything works out for you.

 

[RWKustoms]

A 2g block can only handle 400whp and that is really pushing it. If you are really looking for that type of power you might as well add rods, pistons, valves, hg, head studs, ect. to the list. I would recommend staying around 350-375whp. If this car is your DD I would be looking into other transporation as well. Just my .2 cents. Hope everything works out for you.

Car is not my DD as I stated in my first post hence why I'll be doing these upgrades. The block will be built eventually but not now, and I'm really sick of the build then upgrade crap and "what the stock block can handle and what it can't handle".

 

[RWKustoms]

I'm still running a 16G variant so I can't honestly comment between the 2 turbos.

If I personally had to do it all over again I would select the FIC injectors (any size) as I have read quite a number of positive reviews on them, especially about matching flow characteristics. As stated, the flow rating/HP capacity of either the 950s or 1000s is minimal, but for $10 a set difference..............

I know I'm adding to the budget, and of course it's not something you have to run out and get immediately, but adding a WB O2 and a true 3BAR MAP (up to the 5BAR if required) sensor wired into DSMLink will be a tuning godsend. After that you will have one hell of a tuning/logging package. The only reason to hit the dyno after that is for true corrected HP/torque numbers.

A combo water/alcohol mix is acceptable for the street, easier to find a vendor. Of course water/meth if you can find a reliable source. But generally you'll mix water with either on the street.

Thanks for all the info so far. I think I kinda have my plans straight from here on out. Now just to calculate some figures.
All other opinions welcome.

 

[FORMONTOYA]

Cool, of course let us know how it all turns out plus pictures so we can drool over it.

 

[cfisher]

Car is not my DD as I stated in my first post hence why I'll be doing these upgrades. The block will be built eventually but not now, and I'm really sick of the build then upgrade crap and "what the stock block can handle and what it can't handle".

Again, hope everything works out for you. I want to see that stock 7 bolt pushing 450whp + to prove me wrong. Ask the 1320 boys how that worked out.

 

[RWKustoms]

Again, hope everything works out for you. I want to see that stock 7 bolt pushing 450whp + to prove me wrong. Ask the 1320 boys how that worked out.

I'm not necessarily looking for 450WHP, I just think that if you read what I wrote you would see I said between 400WHP and 450WHP. And just for reference 99gst_racer's car just did 403WHP on stock HEAD and block and my head wont be stock.