SBR Bastard 20g

[Boomshine]

well it looks as slowboy racing is having a very good deal on this turbo. does anyone here on the forum have this turbo. If yes, at what rpm does it spool with the porper supporting mods and also is this a turbo that would work good on the street or would have no power at all till boost kicked in. i've seen a video of an FQ400 evo and in 5th with a mile of race way and the evo got beat by a 100 horsepower fiat at 5th gear.

 

[CanadianTSi]

i've seen a video of an FQ400 evo and in 5th with a mile of race way and the evo got beat by a 100 horsepower fiat at 5th gear.

You drive any turbo/4 cyclinder car at 1000rpms in 5th and tell me how quick it is...

 

[blcknspo0ln]

downshifting = no turbo lag. besides, who cares if you get beat by a slower car when you're in 5th gear? Just put that baby in 3rd and let her rip

 

[kgtalon95]

I'm curious too in anyone has this turbo. Also does anyone know how much boost you can run and still be efficient with this turbo?? I'd like to see a compressor map or something. I know the evo16g hits its efficiency mark around 23....or so i've been told. Whats this turbo at?

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

Not to knock SBR, but I don't see a point to this turbo unless you want a sleeper setup. That would be the ONLY reason to get this turbo. Especially when you have Bullseye and AGP offering bigger turbos that are a lot cheaper (T04's, RS49s, RS60's) and produce more power than a 20g ever could.

 

[demonchild]

ooooohhhh no. I can see where this thread is going.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

it's for those guys that are real anal about "sleeper" status..

 

[SlowboyCSE]

Yes it is a sleeper turbo.

It allows you to run stock appearing at drag shoot outs.
It allows you to run stock appearing in SCCA events, granted a 20G is overkill for auto X.
It allows you to run stock appearing in NASA events where it tears up anything down the straight aways with a stock turbo.

You don't need to change your intake pipe if you don't want to. If it's on a first gen, you don't have to change your oil feed if it's a TDO5H center section. Same goes for the oil drain. The oil feed on TDO6H center sections require a different banjo bolt, so it lowers it's bolt on capablities. We don't recommend using stock oil lines but it hapens quite often for those on a budget.

You COULD run it on stock intercooler piping for a 1G. With a 2G install kit you can slam it on a 2G in a couple of hours. Once again i'm not saying stock lower piping is good, but it works for a while until you blow it apart Lastly it has no fitment issues unless your put it on a 2G without a kit.

Just tossing this on, not looking for a pissing contest

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

Sorry, didn't mean for my post to come off sounding like it did. SBR doesn't sell junk, I've bought from them before.

 

[Steve93Talon]

...you don't have to change your oil feed if it's a TDO5H center section. Same goes for the oil drain. The oil feed on TDO6H center sections require a different banjo bolt, so it lowers it's bolt on capablities.

Heh, this information would have been helpful. We got an SBR Bastard 20g with the TD06H wheel and when we went to put it on, realized the banjo bolt from the old turbo didnt fit. It took us several days of cursing to make it work. I've had other Mitsu/Hybrids with TD06H wheels and they've always used the same banjo bolt. In the future, you should inform people up front of this and it'd be nice if you supplied the correct bolt with the turbo, as it's nearly impossible to find.

 

[mach1one]

I would think a bastard 20g would be okay at autox given the lowend torque you should have.

 

[SlowboyCSE]

Not taking that way at all sir, just posting the positives of the turbo! Didn't think for a second you were implying that.

 

[SlowboyCSE]

Heh, this information would have been helpful. We got an SBR Bastard 20g with the TD06H wheel and when we went to put it on, realized the banjo bolt from the old turbo didnt fit. It took us several days of cursing to make it work. I've had other Mitsu/Hybrids with TD06H wheels and they've always used the same banjo bolt. In the future, you should inform people up front of this and it'd be nice if you supplied the correct bolt with the turbo, as it's nearly impossible to find.

Sir i will write that done and get it added to the website.

Thanks!

 

[Bohrn]

my only question is, how much better is this than a well setup EvoIII turbo? flow pretty similar numbers, low to mid 40lbs/min.

Also, wouldn't an EvoIII be hard to tell from stock when the intake pipe is bolted up?

Plus its cheaper and should spool faster.

What am I missing?

 

[sunflashx]

For more info, search for a FP "Sleeper 16g". They've been building these for a long time, you'll probably find more info on that one.

 

[91gvr4]

I would stay away from this turbo. Like stated, Fp sleeper 16g is a good choice, and so many think a Evo316g is so much better then the 20g, tell me how many Evo 3s are in the 10 or 11s for that matter. 20g is a proven turbo for serious times.

 

[boostin_2_high]

Does anyone have any experience with this turbo? Time slips, dyno, anything? It seems like an intersting turbo, but it's as though noone is running it. I'm interested in seeing how it compares to a regular 20g.

 

[overdoseheroin]

this turbo is sick. ive seen it blaze well into the 11's with the tdo6 exhaust wheel. curt brown ran 11.4@134 in his old FWD, mark from slowboy ran high 11's i believe in his 1g AWD. its pretty deceiving. im still waitin for mine to get back CRAGGER! , jk. but its sick so step off. sorry if not having a huge snail under the hood gets me props from cornholes like some of you. id much rather blow away a big tdo6 20g with my "sleeper" 20g anyways.

 

[ChvyKc]

this turbo is sick. ive seen it blaze well into the 11's with the tdo6 exhaust wheel. curt brown ran 11.4@134 in his old FWD, mark from slowboy ran high 11's i believe in his 1g AWD. its pretty deceiving. im still waitin for mine to get back CRAGGER! , jk. but its sick so step off. sorry if not having a huge snail under the hood gets me props from cornholes like some of you. id much rather blow away a big tdo6 20g with my "sleeper" 20g anyways.

I've been interested in this turbo for a while, but haven't been able to find anything on it either. I'm one of the guys that likes the sleeper look also. I plan on running in the stock appearing class this year at the shootout as well, so this is right up my alley. I would need some proven dyno sheets or some track times in order to go with it though. I am running a B16G ported/clipped right now so there would have to be some significant difference in order for me to step up to this turbo, especially for the price.

 

[Boosted98gsx]

Any ideas how this turbo would perform on a stroker?

Also, how hard would it be to add the 20g comp wheel to an existing TD05 big16g, or is there more involved?

 

[definitiveno]

Any ideas how this turbo would perform on a stroker?

Also, how hard would it be to add the 20g comp wheel to an existing TD05 big16g, or is there more involved?

Horribly, keep looking at the turbo you mentioned in your other thread

 

[Stapl3]

I hope this isn't like their similar 2g20g because that thing was a nightmare for me.

 

[Slowboy]

I hope this isn't like their similar 2g20g because that thing was a nightmare for me.

Years ago T.com made our 2g20g's for us. We have not bought from T.com in a few years, so no, its an entirely different turbo

MGH

 

[Slowboy]

Any ideas how this turbo would perform on a stroker?

Also, how hard would it be to add the 20g comp wheel to an existing TD05 big16g, or is there more involved?

Different comp wheel, different turbine wheel, profile both comp and turbine housings. Would be cheaper for you to sell a 16g style turbo, and buy the new one IMO.

The reason I say this, is while the 5h wheel performs grea in a 16g sized comp wheel, I feel the 20g really benefits from the 6h... again, this is my opinion and there are some really fast 5h 20g cars on the road.

MGH

 

[SlowboyCSE]

this turbo is sick. ive seen it blaze well into the 11's with the tdo6 exhaust wheel. curt brown ran 11.4@134 in his old FWD, mark from slowboy ran high 11's i believe in his 1g AWD. its pretty deceiving. im still waitin for mine to get back CRAGGER! , jk. but its sick so step off. sorry if not having a huge snail under the hood gets me props from cornholes like some of you. id much rather blow away a big tdo6 20g with my "sleeper" 20g anyways.

I'm working on it man, it's not easy getting that turbo up to ninja specs, we have chuck norris coming to inspect it early next week!

Everybody else can disregard the above statement unless your a ninja.

I like the bastard/sleeper/hide-n-seek 20G just for the reasons i stated above.

Everybody thinks it's a 14B.

Cops can't tell it's not a 14B. I don't know about you guys but cops here they write tickets for whatever they feel like that day. 15 dollars for me missing a head light, 15 dollars for windows tint, 30 dollars for no muffler, 30 dollars for modfying the stock exhaust system. Last thing i need is them taking her to the impound.

Inspection Stations/Emmisions Guys can't tell it's not a stock turbo.

-Cragger