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Car Sputtering on c16 but not Pump, Running Rich?

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McGruffAWD

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Hey guys i took a trip down to Atlanta the other night in high hopes with my 14b i just put on my car. When i got there i dumped 2 gallons of c16 in my tank with the remaining spinx 95(about 3 gallons). I turned my boost up to 20psi and i started my runs.

As i was doing my first run through 2nd gear right when boost starts to hit the car started to sputter. On and off. The boost was reading 20 then it would flutter between 20 and 15psi with the sputtering. Kinda scared me at first i though something blew off the car. I get back to the pit and immeditaly check under the hood for the obvious signs of a hose being blow off or what not. I then go to my DSM Link log to see wtf was going on. The o2 readings were werid. It flatlined at 1.00 volts so i knew i was running really rich. But then the 02 volts would flutter with the sputtering ranging from 92. to .72 back to 1.0 So i didnt really know wtf was going on there. I had absoulty no knock at all so i know my engine was fine. The timing and air flow curve where still going up. My rpms looked like a stair case tho. So i lean everything out some more.

To make a long story short i ran 5 times and each time it sputtered going down the track in 2nd and 3rd and sometimes in 4th. I finally had all of my settings leaned out to -25% across the board and it was still doing it. So after the track i go and pump some shity 92 back in the tank and reset my settting back to -5% across the board. Did a couple pulls at 15psi and everything is now back to normal. No sputtering at all.

Do you think i was just running super rich? I did install a 255 walbro in it with no reg so i know that didnt help to my problem. I checked my plugs and they all look fine, maybe burning a little hot. I have no boost leaks up to 20psi so i know thats not the problem. I think i have narrowed it down to either running to rich with c16 or my injectors are going. I am still running the stock 450's My global and dead time for dsmlink are all zeroed out. Any help would be awesome thanks!
 
Race gas will make you run rich. I usually see a 0.08 increase in O2 volts with race gas.

It's kinda weird that you leaned it out so much and the sputtering didn't go away. Usually when the O2 volts fluctuate like that it means there was some misfiring. Maybe check your plug gap, make sure the wires are fresh. It's also possible your BOV was fluttering at high boost.
 
I am going to change my plugs tomorrow and get some ngk 7's. My wires are okay i got them like 4 months ago. No signs of acring or little holes, there is also no oil down in the spark plugs.

You know what, now that you mention the BOV i bet that could of been it. I have a problem with mine fluttering and i know the adjustment screw is almost all the way out. I am going to try turning it in some and see if that helps.

Anyone else have any thoughts.
 
race gas does not change A/F ratio. it will not richen nor lean you. the advantage of race gas is that it requires more power to ignite thuse being able to last lnger with out as much knock.

you had no reason to run c16 either. anyone asking this kind of question should be using c16 anyways. try 110 octane
 
I never use O2v to tune at all on race gas, the leaded fuel makes them do some really weird things on my car. The bottom line is that C16 doesn't really make you any richer, but it burns a lot slower than pump gas so you will need to lean out quite a bit on the crack. More boost, timing or taking fuel out via whatever management system you have is what you need to do.
 
Did you check the plugs? I would be lead to belive that one of the plugs fouled out and was not lighting off the cylinder, so the car was sputtering and running rich. Also if boost is all over the place it could also be the one cylinder is not lighting off to provide the exhaust flow for the turbo. Kinda like a wastgate letting exhaust flow out. But just no flow coming from that cylinder.
Change the plugs. I change mine about every 3k -5k. I take the guess work out if "are the plugs ok?"

Luke
LILGSX
 
Did you check the plugs? I would be lead to belive that one of the plugs fouled out and was not lighting off the cylinder, so the car was sputtering and running rich. Also if boost is all over the place it could also be the one cylinder is not lighting off to provide the exhaust flow for the turbo. Kinda like a wastgate letting exhaust flow out. But just no flow coming from that cylinder.
Change the plugs. I change mine about every 3k -5k. I take the guess work out of "are the plugs ok?"

Luke
LILGSX
 
Originally posted by LILGSX96
Did you check the plugs? I would be lead to belive that one of the plugs fouled out and was not lighting off the cylinder, so the car was sputtering and running rich. Also if boost is all over the place it could also be the one cylinder is not lighting off to provide the exhaust flow for the turbo. Kinda like a wastgate letting exhaust flow out. But just no flow coming from that cylinder.
Change the plugs. I change mine about every 3k -5k. I take the guess work out of "are the plugs ok?"

Luke
LILGSX

I agree check the plugs. I didnt get my plugs tightened back down and gapped well so anything over 15-16psi I was bucking and kicking. Basically the spark was getting blown out when I really got on it.
 
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